FTs, FTs, FTs. Lowe needs to take drastic measures. break out the genital electrodes and imprint the notion that missing FTs = pain

1/3/2010 6:04:43 PM

what critics credibility?

1/3/2010 6:05:13 PM

Wait, are idiots really questioning credibility b/c we lost on a miracle buzzer beater? You people.

1/3/2010 6:25:29 PM

complete body of work

1/3/2010 6:26:46 PM

So actually having us in a position to win doesn't count for anything?

1/3/2010 6:27:28 PM

we lost due to our shitty free throw shooting. They shouldn't have even had the chance to win it on a last second shot.

1/3/2010 6:27:34 PM

position to win in one game vs the past three years of abortion seasons, going on 4?

yeah, keep telling yourself hes credible

1/3/2010 6:29:52 PM

I didn't say he was doing brilliantly, but if you expected us to win many games against quality opponents this year than you are clearly out of your GD mind.

1/3/2010 6:32:18 PM

I don't expect us to win much of anything with that sorryass at coach. Herb can go fuck himself too, but at least he showed progress after 4 years. We're just getting worse now.

1/3/2010 6:34:21 PM

you have to work with what you have. if you have a group of players that are struggling at the line (even if its one night or just how they are) you have to make the adjustments and coach the game to their strengths. Florida hadn't made a contested 3 all night. We had missed most of our free throws. Why on earth would you decided to decide the game at the foul line instead of them chucking a 3 to tie the game.

1/3/2010 6:34:41 PM

^ actually, if you take away Degand's abortion of a FT exhibition, we were 9-14 for the night. If you want to blame someone about free throws you have to blame Degand. Dude shot over 75% last year, and probably does really well in practice....completely choked at the end here.

[Edited on January 3, 2010 at 6:41 PM. Reason : Sorry, it was 9-14 -- not quite as good.]

1/3/2010 6:41:07 PM

Lowe should have let the players decide the game with defense.

FLORIDA SCORED 48 POINTS IN REGULATION. WE SUCK DICK AT FREE THROWS.

I'd let the defense decide the fate of the game every time.

FIRE LOWE!!

1/3/2010 6:48:53 PM

I just wanna say for the idiots disagreeing with the foul when you are up three strategy JIM FUCKING VALVANO IS CREDITED WITH INVENTING THAT and it was a great job by Sidney to have the guys prepared to execute it in an end game situation. I can't believe people on an NC STATE message board are actually arguing against Valvano. If we hadn't fouled and they'd hit a routine three pointer you can believe people would have been complaining about that.

1/3/2010 8:12:26 PM

^logic!!! Get it out of here!

1/3/2010 8:16:11 PM

if you want to be pissed about a strategy then be pissed that degand didnt throw the ball straight up in the air with 3 seconds to go

of course i wouldnt want lowe to coach that because i guarantee that at nc state one of our dumb players would throw the ball up with 5 secs, it'd land oob with 1 and we'd get dagger'd anyway.

1/3/2010 8:29:14 PM

Quote :

"then be pissed that degand didnt throw the ball straight up in the air with 3 seconds to go"

WARNING: Poster does not understand the rules concerning the clock and the rim during free throw situations.

1/3/2010 8:33:26 PM

? im talking before he got fouled dude

1/3/2010 8:35:01 PM

While he is on Florida's end of the court? Seriously? You don't think people would criticize Lowe over that decision?

1/3/2010 8:36:17 PM

like I said, I wouldnt want him to teach that because I guarantee one of our players would fuck it up.

but if someone who knew what he was doing executed it properly he could rainbow it into florida's back court pretty easily and their best chance (provided they could run it down) would be the same shot they beat us with, except it'd likely be a fade away with momentum going backwards

[Edited on January 3, 2010 at 8:42 PM. Reason : more clarification]

1/3/2010 8:38:55 PM

^and let this happen??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5bqF4VDSx4



[Edited on January 3, 2010 at 8:45 PM. Reason : ha it was Michael Ruffin that did it and it was to tie, not win]

1/3/2010 8:42:51 PM

^^ its an interesting idea, but I feel like there would be too much risk of the ball getting batted with all the Florida players swarming around him.

Plus, it would look pretty bad if the coach was like "ok kid, you stink so bad at free throws that I just want you to throw that shit up in the air." I think it'd be better for the team's psyche to at least pretend you have faith in your player's ability to make the shots. I mean lets face it, if we don't figure out this FT thing, we're fucked the rest of the season anyway. Might as well show faith in the players.

[Edited on January 3, 2010 at 8:44 PM. Reason : .]

1/3/2010 8:43:13 PM

haha yeah that was awesome i think it was a wizards game?

1/3/2010 8:44:35 PM

haha yeah that was awesome i think it was a wizards game?

1/3/2010 8:44:35 PM

When Degand got the ball there at the end he immediately stopped and waited to be fouled. He was behind his defender, and if he takes off running, that guy probably doesn't get to foul him. This would have required someone further down the court to foul him. That would've wasted at least 1 second off the clock and that woulda been the ball game.

Or maybe, with 3.X seconds left, instead of inbounding the ball to Degand, we throw it down to the other end of the court.

1/3/2010 8:48:26 PM

LOL

that was a real half assed lob though. first off, why the fuck did he throw it straight up on that end of the floor when there was no one in front of him?

second, he got like no hang time. maybe he didnt want to hit the jumbo tron?

still, that was ~3 when he launched it and the guy got off a decent shot. IIRC Degand wouldve gotten it up with a little over 3 if he planned it like that and there's a chance he wouldve gotten stuffed and the ball stolen so I guess it's not any better than banking on them missing a 75 footer

[Edited on January 3, 2010 at 9:12 PM. Reason : or better yet just hit the FTs and worst case scenario = tie]

1/3/2010 8:50:09 PM

attn: sidney!!!

stop the nc state shit!

1/3/2010 9:10:58 PM

haha, I too thought degand should have lobbed that shit down court if for nothing else other than the novelty. certainly a better chance of victory than him trying to hit a clutch free throw

1/3/2010 9:53:03 PM

Quote :

"- playing mays too much - playing horner too much - free throws"

Agreed on all parts....Mays is getting worse. Remove his scholarship or "help" him transfer. He shouldn't see the court. I would have taken Degand out there at the end though and put anyone else in to shoot free throws.

1/4/2010 2:38:40 AM

We should have won the game. We're better than UF. And playing at home, it should have been won in regulation. We only scored 19 in the 2nd half. And Javi's 6 TOs killed us. The starting PG can't have 6 TOs.

Sid can't escape blame for the way the team played in the 2nd half. Plus, having degand in the game at the end was stupid when you know they are going to foul. No one but Wood, Mays, or Horner should have been allowed to touch the ball at the end.

1/4/2010 12:14:45 PM

Remember when we sucked at free throw shooting as a team under herb?

He had players take 100 free throws in practice for every one they missed during a game.

We wound up improving dramatically through the rest of that season. The following year we were the best free throw shooting team in the conference.

We gotta fix the free throw issue.

1/4/2010 1:26:30 PM

^ stats were skewed because Herb recruited Europeans

1/4/2010 1:30:40 PM

as a result, free throws were the only thing we were good at.

1/4/2010 1:42:57 PM

the point is, this can, should, and needs to be fixed.

Then again, why am I responding to idiots?

1/4/2010 2:02:18 PM

Quote :

"And Javi's 6 TOs killed us. The starting PG can't have 6 TOs. Sid can't escape blame for the way the team played in the 2nd half. Plus, having degand in the game at the end was stupid when you know they are going to foul. No one but Wood, Mays, or Horner should have been allowed to touch the ball at the end."

this has gotta be a troll post. Mays was turning the ball over like it was his job and Horner is the worst clutch free throw shooter on the team.

1/4/2010 2:06:56 PM

Javi averaged one turnover per 5 minutes played

Mays averaged one per 14 minutes

1/4/2010 2:12:17 PM

^^seriously? Did you even watch the game? Mays had 1 TO. He shoots 84% from the line (26 of 31). Degand has made 3 FTs all year (1 of which was last night). Why the hell did he have the ball at the end of the game?

Mays is the best FT shooter on the team. The ball should have been in his hands when you knew they were going to foul.

Was he even in the game then? I don't remember.

[Edited on January 4, 2010 at 2:24 PM. Reason : If not, Sid has some splainin to do.]

1/4/2010 2:16:33 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/teams/stats?teamId=152&sort=freeThrowPct

it's obvious where the problems are...work on them

1/4/2010 2:29:20 PM

mays couldnt break the press to save his life, which more than likely would have been a TO cause he cant keep on calling timeouts to save his ass.

Degand was teh only one who could break the press.

Horner should be inbounding the ball and wood should be getting the ball in crunch time, since horner is the definition of anti-clutch

1/4/2010 2:40:52 PM

off topic?


CJ Williams has played 327 minutes and only attempted 3 FTs

1/4/2010 2:43:55 PM

Hole refs.

1/4/2010 2:47:21 PM

^^^There were 3 seconds left in the game. No reason to break the press. You know you're going to get fouled. Mays should have been in the game and Degand on the bench. Period.

1/4/2010 3:05:31 PM

agreed on that part

1/4/2010 3:49:46 PM

Quote :

"CJ Williams has played 327 minutes and only attempted 3 FTs"

That speaks volumes of his unaggressiveness

1/4/2010 5:42:26 PM

Remember that 18-7 run in the first half where we looked like a pretty good basketball team? We had Javi, Degand, Smith, Wood, and somebody else (I forget who). Billy D. calls time out at the end of the run and Lowe proceeds to bench Tracy Smith for the next 5 minutes?

We need to see those 5 that were on the court for that 18-7 run for the majority of ALL of the remaining games with only 1 or 2 other players getting minutes to give that starting five a blow. We don't need to be rotating 9-10 deep like we're doing now.

Lowe will figure this out sometime in late February.

1/4/2010 6:31:57 PM

^ Dude, Smith played 35 minutes during regulation....

1/4/2010 6:42:33 PM

^ he pulled him out after an 18-7 run. Who knows maybe he was tired??

Either way, we played a 10 man rotation in the Florida game. We DO NOT need to be doing that.

[Edited on January 4, 2010 at 7:08 PM. Reason : V way to not read anything else that I wrote, you troll ass bitch]

1/4/2010 6:55:49 PM

yeah man you're right lets leave tracy in the whole game, and never take him out

1/4/2010 6:59:33 PM

6 or 7 man rotation FTL.

If we could hit FTs the best line-up would probably be Javi, Degand, Wood, Horner, Smith. Bring Mays, Davis, and 2 of Painter/Howell/Vandenberg off the bench. Don't play Williams many minutes again till he learns to be more aggressive.

1/4/2010 7:10:48 PM

how dare he allow players to get tired

1/4/2010 7:17:12 PM

Sid must not be a good coach, he lets players get tired and can't defend against 75 foot shots!

1/4/2010 7:21:26 PM