^haha yeah, when you said it was really long travel times and avoiding the belt line i figured you must be looking at walking directions.

5/11/2010 2:07:32 PM

Not to side with either iPhone OS or Android...

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/10/npd-android-ousts-iphone-os-for-second-place-in-us-smartphone-m/

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/11/apple-brushes-off-npds-smartphone-report-says-it-sees-no-sign/

So does that include iPhone's running Android?

all kidding aside...
On the one hand Apple is saying their sales have grown.
On the other, I would think Q1 would see a slow down since its inevitable that a next gen iPhone will be released in June/July so a lot of people would wait to buy the next iPhone.

It also interesting for me at least that one device is selling more units overall as an OS spread across a whole line of products. *shrug*

[Edited on May 11, 2010 at 3:31 PM. Reason : .]

5/11/2010 3:29:37 PM

So I finally jailbroke my iPhone 3G yesterday, I'm liking everything about it so far except one key aspect that's such a deal breaker I might have to unjailbreak it, my battery has gone from lasting a day and a half fully charged to about 5 hours and I'm not backgrounding anything, any suggestions?

5/11/2010 11:51:45 PM

get an external battery case.

5/11/2010 11:56:44 PM

So is this normal? I'm not a fan of cases, I'll unjailbreak it before I get a case if this is the norm on jailbroken phones

5/12/2010 12:03:06 AM

Also in addition to the battery life issue here are a few other observations from my (admittedly limited) two days of experience with my jailbroken phone, please someone who has more experience with this than I do tell me if they're accurate:

Pros:
-A few cool non-apple-sanctioned apps
-The ability to use (mostly dorky and resource hogging) themes
-I suppose tethering would normally be one but I managed to snag the NetShare app from the app store in the 24 hours between its approval and the time it was yanked so I've been able to tether on my non-jailbroken phone forever

Cons:
-Battery life on a full charge cut from ~36 hours to ~5 hours
-Phone is frequently locking up, crashing, requiring a restart, taking 10 minutes to start up, and just generally acting sluggish and unstable
-Lost about 700mb of space to the jailbreak partition
-Most unsanctioned apps I've tried out have been poorly written, been resource hogs, and/or just plain not worked

So is there something I'm missing here or is this pretty much the gist of jailbreaking?

5/12/2010 12:36:23 AM

I only spent a couple of weeks with a non-jailbroken phone, but I can't say I ever noticed a huge difference between the battery life before and after. 5 hours is definitely not normal. The only time I noticed a difference is around Christmastime when I downloaded some theme that had snow in the background of the springboard. But even then I got 3/4 a day of normal use from the phone. What all did you install? Did you install backgrounder and leave tons of programs running in the background?

5/12/2010 1:26:34 AM

Things I have installed:

SBSettings (although it's removed at the moment as I read it can be a culprit in massive battery drain and I want to see if it's the cause)
Rotation Inhibitor addon toggle for SBSettings (also removed at the moment)
CyLay Three (supposedly uses no resources and relies on push to wait for a connection request from the server and then starts up)
Activator, as it's required by proswitcher and backgrounder
Backgrounder + Proswitcher, but I have never actually backgrounded anything
Winterboard, but not running any themes

P.S. - Gotta say things already seem a lot snappier after removing SBSettings

[Edited on May 12, 2010 at 1:46 AM. Reason : ]

5/12/2010 1:45:43 AM

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"SBSettings (although it's removed at the moment as I read it can be a culprit in massive battery drain and I want to see if it's the cause)"

Did you actually read that from a knowledgeable source? I just googled "sbsettings battery drain" and all I found was a bunch of kids saying "i jus insalled sbsettings and 12 other programs and now my batery goez from 30 to 20 in 5 minuts"

It's gotta be the most popular Jailbreak app. I've never heard of anyone having any legitimate issues with battery life or performance from using it.

5/12/2010 2:36:27 AM

Looks like another 4th gen managed to escape.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/12/next-generation-iphone-escapes-in-vietnam/

5/12/2010 3:50:01 AM

^^yeah i've never noticed any battery drain issues at all

[Edited on May 12, 2010 at 8:13 AM. Reason : although mine is usually dead in < 12 hours regardless. < 8 if i'm on the road and using 3g]

5/12/2010 8:11:02 AM

My battery is only down 10% after 5 hours now that SBSetting is removed, it's not exactly a scientific study but it seems like SBSettings or something associated with it was causing the battery problem

5/12/2010 3:44:05 PM

Quote :

"It's gotta be the most popular Jailbreak app. I've never heard of anyone having any legitimate issues with battery life or performance from using it."

I've actually been looking into that and SSsettings isn't really running in the background. It does (just like winterboard) take up some ram, but the battery drain comes from apps that are automatically taking up cpu cycles every now and then. So weather icon and most things associated with lockinfo (because it updates itself).

I just disabled lockinfo and anything i had running that updates and my battery life seemed to go back to normal un-jailbroken state.

-For example last night i fell asleep with my phone at 88% and when i woke up ~8 hours later it was down to 62% with lock info, calendar, and weather plugin. I just disabled all those and had my phone sitting for 6+ hours while working outside and it dropped from about 92% to 91%. It's the updating that kills the battery.

[Edited on May 12, 2010 at 7:17 PM. Reason : s]

5/12/2010 7:03:19 PM

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/13/adobe-targets-apple-in-ad-campaign-launched-today-publishes-ope/

Adobe's response to Apple

"We <3 Apple" lol


BlackDog, you should make this its own thread.

5/13/2010 8:13:14 PM

Apple makes it so fucking hard to like their products

5/13/2010 8:47:28 PM

I mean, if I made a shitty product thats a resource hog, I, too, would whine about it not being allowed on mobile devices.

5/13/2010 8:49:43 PM

Guy creates a wireless sync program and sends it to Apple. Apple predictably rejects it because it would be too convenient. Guy puts it in the cydia store instead. I love my iPhone, but Apple makes the dumbest decisions sometimes.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/14/wi-fi-sync-rejected-headed-to-cydia-for-9-99/

5/14/2010 9:37:45 AM

Quote :

"Apple makes it so fucking hard to like their products"

5/14/2010 9:40:30 AM

I don't have a remotely difficult time liking their products. But sometimes their decisions make it extremely difficult to like them as a company.

5/14/2010 9:44:18 AM

Quote :

"I don't have a remotely difficult time liking their products. But sometimes their decisions make it extremely difficult to like them as a company."

This.

5/14/2010 10:01:38 AM

This is a great read on the whole Adobe vs. Apple. I got to agree with the author.

http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/13/adobe-ad-apple/

Quote :

"Make a killer product."

What i've been saying all along.

[Edited on May 14, 2010 at 1:44 PM. Reason : .]

5/14/2010 1:41:23 PM

I wish Apple would take that advice re: the joke that is iTunes

5/14/2010 1:49:27 PM

5/14/2010 1:51:00 PM

iTunes' biggest problem is its performance issues. It works just fine for what it is if you know how to use it...but its laggy, slow UI is the real reason its garbage.

That being said, not all Apple products are killer products obviously.

5/14/2010 1:53:45 PM

Adobe already makes a killer product. It's called Photoshop.

Unless people are pretending they know how to use GIMP these days.

5/14/2010 2:06:19 PM

lol, they do, but photoshop isn't on trial here

Its taken out of context...the Killer Product quote is directed at Flash not their line of products.

[Edited on May 14, 2010 at 2:08 PM. Reason : .]

5/14/2010 2:08:01 PM

Good article. But i agree with some of the comments, Adobe has a nuke in it's back pocket and it's the Adobe suite. Keep in mind, Adobe Flash is on 99% of desktop platforms and it's used by 2-million professionals, we aren't talking about Real Player here. Adobe has leverage and the public has been demanding Flash in nearly all devices, I believe it was even demanded when the original iPhone came out. Android is where they're going to have to put all their energy and show Apple wrong, and while it LOOKS like Adobe's poor choices in the past may come back to bite them, truth is, if Adobe Flash for Android is that "killer" product, it's Apple that's going to regret it. But it is what it is right now, all talk, until Adobe takes action.

5/14/2010 3:10:49 PM

Quote :

"Adobe has a nuke in it's back pocket and it's the Adobe suite"

Hardly, its more of a self-destruct if they chose to go that route. Adobe would be committing suicide if they pulled the plug on Mac support for the CS suite. Although that would probably open the door to much better software from Apple.

Also, this will end in two ways. Bad for Adobe or good for everyone. If adobe proves to make a killer flash platform for mobile use (which is what we are hoping for) then Apple and others will embrace it and everyone wins. Apple is shutting them out because it sucks not because the CEO of Adobe picked on Jobs in middle school and he's exacting revenge

5/14/2010 3:15:36 PM

What % of Adobe Suite customers are 100% mac users?

5/14/2010 3:22:25 PM

Quote :

"What % of Adobe Suite customers are 100% mac users?"

Mac users have put up with half-assed Adobe CS releases because they prefer the Mac platform to the windows one as a whole. If CS were suddenly not available someone else would capitalize on that for Mac. You would not see people abandoning the Mac for Adobe.

5/14/2010 3:35:50 PM

So you don't actually know, then?

I didnt mean to ask if they'd drop mac. I mean to ask what the numbers look like when comparing PC/Mac Suite customers vs just Mac Suite users

[Edited on May 14, 2010 at 3:44 PM. Reason : *]

5/14/2010 3:40:56 PM

Is your google broken?

5/14/2010 3:43:57 PM

I use Bing right now.

I was just trying to verify that your statement that it would be self destruct was just in fact your biased opinion and in no way factually based.

5/14/2010 3:45:10 PM

CS3 sales were something like 75% Mac. It probably hasn't changed much since then.

Now, if you were to say "oh yeah, CS6 isn't coming out for OSX", I'm sure you'd have a decent amount of defections. It probably wouldn't be economically wise.

A better idea would probably be to take Flash and just start giving it away for free.

5/14/2010 3:45:24 PM

Quote :

"I was just trying to verify that your statement that it would be self destruct was just in fact your biased opinion and in no way factually based."

There are plenty of facts to back up my statement, try bing then, smartdumbass.

Quote :

"Now, if you were to say "oh yeah, CS6 isn't coming out for OSX", I'm sure you'd have a decent amount of defections. It probably wouldn't be economically wise."

The thing about CS on Mac is that the designers using the Adobe suite are more loyal towards Apple and Mac OS X then they are to CS. If there is any defection it would be from Adobe.

[Edited on May 14, 2010 at 3:51 PM. Reason : .]

5/14/2010 3:47:39 PM

i'm not inferring they drop mac support, i'm just saying they have 6-million creative professionals that use the Adobe suite that are dedicated to their software.

Quote :

"You would not see people abandoning the Mac for Adobe."

i think you underestimate what people would do, maybe you wouldn't, but creative professionals aren't just going to "stop working" because they want to stick to an OS, that's just dumb. besides there isn't a design suite even remotely CLOSE to being an alternative, i mean hell, it was BECAUSE of Adobe for Mac that all the creative professionals started USING Macs to begin with.

[Edited on May 14, 2010 at 3:50 PM. Reason : .]

5/14/2010 3:47:59 PM

I think people would be quicker to switch OS's than to switch the software tool they use.

Quote :

"There are plenty of facts to back up my statement"

But none that you have provided. Also, you're assuming that there is a 1 to 1 correlation between the number of adobe suite users that use mac and the number that would drop adobe to stay with mac.

There are actually no facts to tell us one or the other. I don't think its as cut and dry as you seem to think.

Quote :

"i mean hell, it was BECAUSE of Adobe for Mac that all the creative professionals started USING Macs to begin with."

This


[Edited on May 14, 2010 at 3:53 PM. Reason : *]

5/14/2010 3:50:02 PM

for those of you with battery issues, go into your sbssettings and turn off SSH. problem solved

5/14/2010 3:52:00 PM

yea, i don't see any logical reason to stick with an OS if you can't accomplish the task, other than your own personal bias.

5/14/2010 3:52:49 PM

Quote :

"i think you underestimate what people would do, maybe you wouldn't, but creative professionals aren't just going to "stop working" because they want to stick to an OS, that's just dumb."

I am a 'creative professional' and the many in the industry who's blog's I read, or chat with also feel the same way. Many of whom aren't quick to upgrade for the latest and greats release. Most stick to the tools they know and feel most comfortable with which is older versions of the software. Most also still bitch about how bad Photoshop is...

Quote :

"it was BECAUSE of Adobe for Mac that all the creative professionals started USING Macs to begin with."

Times have changed. Adobe is WORSE on Mac now than Windows. But Mac OS X is a better experience than windows overall (as an OS). Not to mention the whole development/design experience on a Mac is far better. You guys keep bringing in ancient history and presenting them as current events...lol

I could go into the types of software you see on Mac vs. Windows that are appreciated by designers (Even though they're not directly related to design) but that will go way over your heads.

Quote :

"But none that you have provided. Also, you're assuming that there is a 1 to 1 correlation between the number of adobe suite users that use mac and the number that would drop adobe to stay with mac. There are actually no facts to tell us one or the other. I don't think its as cut and dry as you seem to think."

Don't be lazy, if you want to troll, bing your facts and prove me wrong.

Quote :

"yea, i don't see any logical reason to stick with an OS if you can't accomplish the task, other than your own personal bias."

Personal bias is why people buy one product over another.

[Edited on May 14, 2010 at 4:01 PM. Reason : .]

5/14/2010 3:59:28 PM

Quote :

"But Mac OS X is a better experience than windows overall (as an OS)"

This is your opinion. I find Windows much more intuitive and easy to use. I know several professionals and I have read blogs of people who feel the same.

Is that a fact yet?

I'm not going to try and disprove your opinion that Adobe killing their products on OSX would be self destruction.


[Edited on May 14, 2010 at 4:03 PM. Reason : *]

5/14/2010 4:01:44 PM

Quote :

"This is your opinion. I find Windows much more intuitive and easy to use. I know several professionals and I have read blogs of people who feel the same. "

I, too, know several professionals who find windows to be the much better platform. How many of them have actually used a Mac? 0

5/14/2010 4:02:28 PM

Quote :

"How many of them have actually used a Mac? 0 all of them"

Quote :

"Don't be lazy, if you want to troll, bing your facts and prove me wrong."

You're calling me lazy? You're the one that claimed Adobe ceasing support for OSX would result in self destruction. YOU made the claim. You brought zero facts and started spewing out your opinion as fact.

YOU'RE the lazy one that has no basis for the shit you're claiming. I've merely asked for you to cite how you know all this shit you're spewing.

And no, posting the % of customers of Adobes products that use mac does not prove removing OS X support would kill Adobe.



[Edited on May 14, 2010 at 4:13 PM. Reason : *]

5/14/2010 4:03:21 PM

^^nearly all the designers here use PC's at work, but have Macs for home computers, so you can't say those that prefer PC's for work haven't used a Mac. there are only 2 people in my local office with Macs and they are the graphic designers and they use both platforms regularly at work, and use it because that's what they prefer, because it's on both platforms. if the software was only supported on one platform, they aren't going to sit at their desks and wait for an alternative program to come along.

[Edited on May 14, 2010 at 4:19 PM. Reason : .]

5/14/2010 4:15:52 PM

Which computers did they pay for? The home or the work or both? Just wondering

I have a windows laptop at work but use my personal Mac until they order my new i7 MBP because it's a better platform to get anything done on.

I do use both platforms too, afterall testing in IE is essential.


[Edited on May 14, 2010 at 4:20 PM. Reason : .]

5/14/2010 4:19:02 PM

well their home computer doesn't have anything to do with their productivity at work, i'm just saying they have USED a Mac before and even OWN them, but can still be productive at work on PC's.

anyhow i'm not sure where this discussion is heading, as it really has no bearing until Adobe does something.

[Edited on May 14, 2010 at 4:22 PM. Reason : .]

5/14/2010 4:20:36 PM

I have a mac at home to do my interface specific programming and final builds on.

But I just built a new Windows 7 PC to do my main development on because its a better platform to get anything done on.

5/14/2010 4:21:57 PM

Congrats! I've been looking at building a new win 7 gaming rig before Starcraft 2 comes out this summer.

5/14/2010 4:23:27 PM

lol

aren't you beta testing it on your mac?

[Edited on May 14, 2010 at 4:24 PM. Reason : *]

5/14/2010 4:23:50 PM

I am, while it runs on my MBP I'd rather have a high end desktop that can run it in max graphics settings and any other games I might want to play.

5/14/2010 4:30:05 PM