Good deal, thanks for the info.

4/19/2012 9:34:00 PM

Any barrel recommendations? Want to go 14.5in, chrome lined, no front sight, 5.56. Not looking to cheap out but don't wat to pay $texas for more than I need.

Basically, what is the value in something like:

http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=b-145-556&cat=158&page=1&search=&since=&status=&title=

over this:

http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/st-fn-cold-hammer-forged-145-midlength-barrel-556-p-829.html

or

https://danieldefense.com/cold-hammer-forged-barrels/14-5-inch-chf-barrels/14-5-5-56mm-mid-length-1-7-lw-profile.html

or

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ar-15-05/upper-parts/barrels/psa-14-7-hf-cl-mp-mid-length-light-profile-barrel.html

4/20/2012 5:06:59 PM

You'll never know the difference.

[Edited on April 20, 2012 at 7:26 PM. Reason : PSA's barrels are made by FN]

4/20/2012 7:23:29 PM

should i build a 308 a/r variant or should i get a dragunov or 7.62x54r ak variant?

4/20/2012 7:27:50 PM

What do you want to do with it? What are your goals?

4/20/2012 7:29:22 PM

Quote :

"You'll never know the difference."

That is pretty much what I figured. It's not like I am planning on shooting 500+ yards or anything, just didn't want to cheap out if it would make a noticeable difference. As for the PSA barrels, from what I have heard FN is a quality name, I would assume their barrels would be quality too?

4/20/2012 7:44:20 PM

FN is good stuff

4/20/2012 7:47:21 PM

I would pick the DD or PSA barrels myself.

4/20/2012 8:57:12 PM

Thanks guys, that is probably what I will go with. Decided I am just going to set up a trust so I can get NFA goodies and going to build one regular SBR and get another upper in 300 blackout with a can on it

Might just get a pistol lower for the time before all the paperwork goes through so I can still play with them.

4/20/2012 9:06:02 PM

SP 101 9mm on the way!!!!!!!!!!!

4/20/2012 9:08:23 PM

Lots of cheap ammo lots of round down range and accurate to 500-600 yards

4/21/2012 2:55:28 PM

You're not going to get all that with either. Lots of cheap ammo - PSL. 5-600yd accuracy - AR-10. The PSL is a reasonably accurate gun, but I wasn't impressed enough with it at 100yd to even think about doing 500+. The AR-10 can be quite affordable to shoot a lot if you reload, but buying factory ammo will eat you alive in a 308 semi.

4/21/2012 5:11:40 PM

If I were going to do it over again I would get a DPMS AR-10 variant instead of Armalite. Not that my Armalite isn't a sweet weapon but you can pretty much only use Armalite stuff with it and the DPMS is cheaper.

4/21/2012 6:00:49 PM

I'm trying to decide between a SCAR-17S, a kel-tec bullpup, and a DPMS AR-10. The kel-tec is appealing because I'm left handed, but the DPMS offers a lot of options for the money.

4/21/2012 10:31:19 PM

Thoughts on Smith & Wesson M&P SHIELD 9mm? I tried searching and didnt really find anything posted.



[Edited on April 22, 2012 at 6:22 PM. Reason : stole pic from budsgunshop]

4/22/2012 6:19:24 PM

just another option for folks looking for a single stack 9mm for CC. that's a good thing i guess.

4/22/2012 6:58:02 PM

That is good considering the only other options are Kel-tec or Kahr. I guess there's also Walther.

Quote :

"SP 101 9mm on the way!!!!!!!!!!!"

Some of the best ergonomics out there.
I love mine. It could use a trigger job though. While it's a light pull it's got a lot of creep. Mine is the Tactical decocker only version that has only one hammer hook. I might buy the aftermarket hammer and grind off the extra hook.


[Edited on April 22, 2012 at 7:18 PM. Reason : ]

4/22/2012 7:17:57 PM

Quote :

"That is good considering the only other options are Kel-tec or Kahr. I guess there's also Walther."

there's also the Ruger LC9

4/22/2012 7:33:01 PM

Isn't Springfield releasing a single-stack 9mm as well? The XD-S line or whatever it's called?

4/22/2012 7:36:28 PM

I forgot about the LC9

4/22/2012 7:38:41 PM

yeah, I was wondering about that Ruger...




also- I'm looking at getting a semi auto 20ga, and am looking primarily at the Mossberg SA20 tactical (this would be primarily for HD). Anyone have any experience with this? Or know someone looking to get rid of one?

and has anyone seen a Keltec KSG yet? I assumed there would be more of them out there by now, but I don't know anyone that has actually got to try one yet...

4/22/2012 7:54:34 PM

looking to get my hands on a conceal carry pistol (already have my permit). mainly looking for a used gun, not a piece of shit, but used unless I can get new for a good price. Not really looking to spend more than 300 if possible.

Any suggestions on places in/around Raleigh to go check out?

4/22/2012 8:06:38 PM

Quote :

" Isn't Springfield releasing a single-stack 9mm as well? The XD-S line or whatever it's called?"

It will be a 45ACP (at least at first)

4/22/2012 8:12:23 PM

Quote :

"looking to get my hands on a conceal carry pistol (already have my permit). mainly looking for a used gun, not a piece of shit, but used unless I can get new for a good price. Not really looking to spend more than 300 if possible. Any suggestions on places in/around Raleigh to go check out?"

You can get a Taurus 85 Ultra-Lite for that much. I have one and I'd feel perfectly fine with it.
I like revolvers for concealed carry.

The LCP/P3AT is also that much and a 9mm Kel-Tec shouldn't be much more.

there's the usual PDHSC and Lawmen's to check.

4/22/2012 8:30:50 PM

^regarding this
^^^im selling a 9mm kel tec in the classifieds

4/22/2012 9:22:04 PM

Anyone seen any of the Sig P6/P225 9mm police trade-ins from a few years ago for sale local?

4/22/2012 10:24:12 PM

Keltec

I know they have gotten better but I could never trust my life to one

4/22/2012 11:16:52 PM

Really? Why do you say that?

I too have been casually looking into concealed pistols and haven't heard anything critical of Keltec. Local gun shop naturally says they're very popular and decent...

4/23/2012 12:29:14 AM

.Sig P6/P225:

I saw one on CSF about a month ago. Not sure how much they were asking for it or how close to Raleigh it was though.

Kel tec:

I have owned two, a P11 and a P32. I thought the P32 was a much better overall gun. While the P11 would function perfectly, I thought that the P32 is easier to shoot accurately and is friendlier on the shooter. The P11 just did not fit my hand, and the frame would wear a sore on my hand. Just m2c

[Edited on April 23, 2012 at 12:52 AM. Reason : .]

4/23/2012 12:49:10 AM

^^ always felt and seemed like cheaply put together guns IMO. If it is something I am going to trust with my life I don't mind spending a little more for a reputable brand.

Although keltec does make some cool stuff like that pump shotgun they are coming out with.

4/23/2012 10:47:11 AM

Quote :

"Keltec I know they have gotten better but I could never trust my life to one"

I have a P3AT with about 150 rounds through it. Not a single hiccup.
I would feel fine carrying mine.

Quote :

"always felt and seemed like cheaply put together guns IMO. If it is something I am going to trust with my life I don't mind spending a little more for a reputable brand. "

That's because they are cheaply put together guns.

Kel-tec has good designs and great prices. They take some pretty good material and throw it together in a low cost method. The end result looks crude but is functional.
Having said that, you find quite a few problems (maybe due to sheer volume of guns they produce, idk) and every one that I've seen/read about has been either due to poor finish or ammo.
The right person can buy almost any Kel-tec and make it work. All it takes is removing some plastic casting flashing and deburring/polishing some metal. You can also send it back to the company and have them fix it.

If you don't feel right doing that then it's perfectly fine; not everyone likes or know how to work on guns. Having to do that to a carry gun isn't exactly a confidence builder.

The way I look at it is I'll take the chance on a Kel-tec. I may have to do some work, which doesn't bother me one bit. If there is a problem it may take $100 worth of ammo before I'm comfortable with the gun. If that was the case then I would have been better off spending more on a different gun up front, but hindsight is 20/20.

I think Kel-Tec is a good low cost option if you know a little about guns, you're handy, or you're just plain broke. I don't expect most people to think the way I do, so you'd probably be better off not taking the chance.

Quote :

"Anyone seen any of the Sig P6/P225 9mm police trade-ins from a few years ago for sale local?"

Check sigforum.com

I got one of the trade in 225s from Lawmen's probably 4-5 years ago. I love it.
It's my favorite out of the guns that I own for no good reason. The slim grip, grip angle, and crisp classic Sig trigger makes me

[Edited on April 23, 2012 at 11:47 AM. Reason : ]

4/23/2012 11:41:51 AM

i was interested in keltecs pmr-30 until they suspended production.

4/23/2012 11:54:30 AM

http://www.dpmsinc.com/firearms/firearm.aspx?id=14

vs

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct1002.aspx

that's where i'm at now...

P.S.

[image]http://www.dawsonprecision.com/images/519-Eagle%2040%205%22%20Bull%20CRP%20B.jpg[/image] coming to an FFL near me

4/23/2012 1:37:02 PM

Quote :

"That is pretty much what I figured. It's not like I am planning on shooting 500+ yards or anything, just didn't want to cheap out if it would make a noticeable difference. As for the PSA barrels, from what I have heard FN is a quality name, I would assume their barrels would be quality too?"

You'll be happy with that PSA barrel. What kind of distance are you looking to be shooting?

4/23/2012 1:52:20 PM

Quote :

"Kel-tec has good designs and great prices. They take some pretty good material and throw it together in a low cost method. The end result looks crude but is functional. Having said that, you find quite a few problems (maybe due to sheer volume of guns they produce, idk) and every one that I've seen/read about has been either due to poor finish or ammo."

I will NEVER buy another KT. There are way too many KT owners that praise their customer service and how quick everything is. That alone should be a warning flag. I would rather know absolutely nothing about the customer service of a company than be happy that said company has been able to repair the piece of shit they sold me numerous times.

I bought a P3AT several years ago that never made it through a single full magazine. I knew the fluff & buff procedures and had the gun looking 20x better than when I bought it before I ever even tried shooting it. I ended up sending it back to KT twice and it still never performed great. I ended up selling it at a loss to some other guy when I noticed that the front of the slide was also peening and the recoil assembly appeared to be pounding it's hole bigger.

It doesn't have to do with the quality of materials, the design, etc. It's the company. They're happy to produce low quality pieces of shit that work ~60% of the time knowing that most people will never do anything about it because they have unique designs that aren't (weren't) easily replicated. Look at the Ruger LCP. You don't hear about nearly the amount of problems as the P3AT. For about the same money you get a gun that's nearly identical except it is finished to a much higher quality. Hell, I've owned 2 Hi-Points and they were both absolutely PERFECT. You don't get cheaper materials than that. I've known at least 10 other people that owned them and only 3 had guns that were good out of the box. I think another 2-3 kept theirs after a factory trip or two and the others were like me and had no faith in them. If you choose to carry a KT, I sincerely hope yours is the complete opposite of mine and most of the ones that I've seen.

Sorry for the rant but I really can't stand KT. There are far too many problems for them to completely ignore like they do.

4/23/2012 6:56:13 PM

haha, youve owned a hi-point

4/23/2012 7:00:00 PM

^^^ probably most of my shooting will be sub 300 yards, if I really want to reach out and touch someone I would use my AR10. This will be more of a zombie fun gun than anything. Maybe shoot some varmints around my parents ranch.

4/23/2012 7:05:46 PM

^^ Yup, my very first gun. Bought another one for a soft shooter to teach a friend to shoot. I'd like to pick up another one to keep in the car. Never know when you're going to need a hammer, pry bar, etc.

4/23/2012 10:39:12 PM

I can't speak for Hi-Point's pistols, but my 9mm carbine is really fun to shoot. It's given me zero problems, it eats any and all brands of ammo, and the ghost ring sights are fantastic. My only complaint is about the 10 round magazines. I'd like a higher capacity.

4/23/2012 10:57:12 PM

Quote :

"They're happy to produce low quality pieces of shit that work ~60% of the time knowing that most people will never do anything about it because they have unique designs that aren't (weren't) easily replicated. "

I've heard nothing but great things about the Kel-Tec Sub-2000 formatted to fit Glock mags. But otherwise, I agree that I've heard mixed reviews about Kel-Tec pistol products, which is why I'm hesitant about the PF9. I've considered the LC9, but I'm so frugal with money that I continue to use my Glock and suck up the extra bulk at times. Maybe one day I'll get an LC9.

[Edited on April 23, 2012 at 11:10 PM. Reason : .]

4/23/2012 11:10:00 PM

^Yeah I should have clarified more that I have no experience with their carbines. I would never buy one but they do seem to be better built based on the reviews. They seem to be extremely difficult to find so maybe KT actually puts a little care into them and makes them solid, reliable firearms.

4/24/2012 12:03:55 AM

Well it only took 4 months to get my Glock sold and buy the Sig but I couldn't be more happy.



Holster/Belt/Mag Pouch are Desantis (for now) - still waiting on a Speed Scabbard from them as well.



[Edited on April 25, 2012 at 3:44 PM. Reason : Photo is too big. ]

4/25/2012 3:44:02 PM

Decided to keep my AR, strip the paint, and customize it the way I want it and build an SBR at the same time. I have a hard time selling a gun

Taking the front sight post off and going to add a low profile gas block, the pins to take that post off are a total bitch. Still have to get the gas tube pin out, I really need a nicer set of punches, the ones I have are slightly too big to be effective on this pin.

4/26/2012 10:54:42 AM

Anybody have a 22LR conversion for their glock?

4/26/2012 10:59:26 AM

Got all the pins out, just had to take of the flash supressor to get the front sight post off. Was having a hard time getting any torque on it since I don't have a vice block yet (in the mail) so what I did was took my vertical foregrip and attached it to the top of the receiver. Combine that with a some vice grip pliers on the flash supressor and it came off pretty easy.

4/26/2012 11:56:49 AM

^ good idea using the VFG for leverage

4/26/2012 1:43:43 PM

This cost me 49¢ for a white crayon.. Pretty good bang for the buck IMO. The magazines are next

4/26/2012 9:19:57 PM

Yellow would have been cooler, cause you know... Black and yellow black and yellow black and yellow black and yellow...

i keed. Very nice

4/26/2012 9:39:28 PM

I'm interested to hear how well that holds up.
When I shoot my Glock, it can get hot enough that the slide can burn you. I wonder if the crayon would hold up to that, or melt all over the place.

4/26/2012 9:53:18 PM

[Edited on April 26, 2012 at 10:00 PM. Reason : 30-06 on the left]

4/26/2012 9:59:12 PM