149 pages of shitty basketball

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1/9/2010 2:15:48 PM

149 pages of useless tears.

1/9/2010 2:17:23 PM

well well

UVA = loss

it's going to be a looooooooooooong season.

1/9/2010 2:18:20 PM

i'd much rather have a coach that can actually coach players than one that can recruit and not do anything with it.

Let's face it, Sid got out coached today, at home, to a bad team.

There is nothing I've seen in his 3+ years as a coach that would lead me to believe he can develop talent and put together a winning basketball team.

1/9/2010 2:19:03 PM

KEEP LOWE BECAUSE WE HAVE 3 ROMAN GODS COMING NEXT YEAR APPARENTLY!

i dont know any other justification for reserving judgement. he's shown NO. COACHING. ABILITY. I don't want a recruiter, I want a fucking coach.

1/9/2010 2:19:18 PM

I mean this shit is just ugly. Watching our games makes me want to gouge my fucking eyeballs out. Please fire this man and the sooner the better. We should say to him thanks for trying but we're going to move in a different direction now.

1/9/2010 2:24:08 PM

Yeah, lets fire him right now! We don't care if we have a pair of elite guards, the like of which we haven't seen since the 80s, coming in. And we don't care that so far, Lowe has been operating with absolutely no guard talent. We should be able to win championships with just highly touted forwards!!! In the ACC no less! Hear ye hear ye!

1/9/2010 2:30:07 PM

yes! because we've all seen his amazing coaching skills!

name ONE moment when you had any confidence or saw any smarts in his ability.

stop reading recruiting sites and watch a damn game.

1/9/2010 2:31:23 PM

i love this thread.

1/9/2010 2:32:49 PM

^^his first season with atsur playing


UNC game, wake game last year, marquette this year etc etc etc


but i guess you were wanting to fire him after that unc win right?

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1/9/2010 2:32:52 PM

marquette this year felt like flying by the seat of our pants. we got damn lucky. same for wake. the first year we allowed those guys to play to their advantages, yes, but come on, 2 games is all you can think of in the past 3 seasons?

^ hur hur hur yeah i just hate lowe as a person. im jealous of his recruiting classes. im not upset that we shit the bed against anyone better than Holy Cross unless we just get lucky like we do once every 10 games or so.

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1/9/2010 2:34:40 PM

how stupid do you have to be to be defending Lowe's credibility after losing to UVA at home?

1/9/2010 2:35:10 PM

wins = luck

losses = bad coaching.

1/9/2010 2:36:10 PM

ACC wins = FEW AND FAR BETWEEN

1/9/2010 2:39:11 PM

^^^^
Marquette is a preview of what this team can do, along with the 4-5 50+ pt halfs we've had this year. whether or not they put it all together remains to be seen.

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"we got damn lucky. same for wake."

Are you serious? Like DJ said, its obvious you think any win is luck. That win was all fucking coaching. Coming out in a box and 1 ruined teague.

Im not gonna waste my time pointing out games to two retards who do nothing but see the negatives. Lowe can coach and he can get out coached, just like Gaudio, Roy, K, and every other coach in america. Lowe isnt going anywhere so keep on bitching about nothing.

today sucked, get over it

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1/9/2010 2:40:31 PM

so what examples of great execution and coaching did you see in that marquette game, because i felt like we were flying by the seat of our pants.

1/9/2010 2:40:35 PM

ITT: future coaches of america

1/9/2010 2:42:10 PM

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"Up by 10 at home in the 2nd half and lose to a pathetic UVA team. No excuse for this one."

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"Let's face it, Sid got out coached today, at home, to a bad team."

By a coach in his first year at UVA with a lesser-talented team no less. I can't wait to hear the excuses for this one. If anyone tries the talent excuse with UVA, I will laugh hysterically.

1/9/2010 2:42:15 PM

getting outcoached by the rest of the fucking acc every year is pretty significant

1/9/2010 2:42:28 PM

^^^^the offense was working because they were getting open looks and making them

of course if they are missing open looks its the coaches fault as well.

just like today when horner worked the pick and pop perfectly and missed. he had like 10 seconds to shoot and missed.

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1/9/2010 2:43:03 PM

Sidney Lowe ACC Record: 15-35

Get hyped up for next season!

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"todaythe past four years sucked, get over it"

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1/9/2010 2:44:06 PM

Lowe was a bad NBA coach, too. There's a track record here.

1/9/2010 2:49:05 PM

I guess I was right, people are going to defend Sid no matter what he does. Because today we lost to the worst ACC team at home with a late 10-point lead. Not sure how we can drop any more than this. Ryan Harrow better be the next coming of Chris Paul for this to get any better.

1/9/2010 4:10:14 PM

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"today we lost to the worst ACC team"

i think maybe we are the worst ACC team

and god dammit all you people defending Lowe on TWW, you're helping him stay around!!1

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1/9/2010 4:13:03 PM

another ridiculous 10 man rotation with Vandy only getting 7 minutes despite playing very well during those 7 minutes (1-2 from the field, 1 block, 1 rebound, caused several altered shots). I called this in the game thread how well Vandy was playing and that Lowe would likely bench him.

Can anyone shed some light onto Lowe's substitution "patterns"??

1/9/2010 4:14:17 PM

^It's funny because people were chomping at the bit to get a good not great Herb Sendek out of here as soon as possible and now people want Sid to stay around when he has shown nothing that indicates he will ever elevate the program.

1/9/2010 4:14:51 PM

and Herb pussed out and left on his own

he wanted to go to a school with sluttier coeds

1/9/2010 4:15:49 PM

His leaving had nothing to do with our fans at all.

1/9/2010 4:16:42 PM

the fans don't have the ability to fire a coach, and Herb wasn't fired

are you posting in this thread as the thread title implies, or is this your personal NC State fan credibility watch thread?

So, could you explain your job change?

Yeah, those damn fans ran me off!

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1/9/2010 4:17:32 PM

I also remember saying if we run this RIDICULOUS 10 man rotation during ACC play we'd get our asses kicked. Meanwhile Talage, BigEgo, and GenghisJohn swore up and down that I was stupid and "trolling" for saying that.

Looks like I'm right so far (at home against one of the worst ACC teams no less), and Lowe will learn to play our best players around the end of February in an 8 man rotation and we'll maybe win a few ACC games. Then you'll all talk about how much the team has improved.

I believe I've been pretty spot on about how the coach is been obviously (even to the casual fan) shitty in his coaching ability.

Still credible right, BigEgo?

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1/9/2010 4:22:50 PM

we don't have the guard play to win consistently in the ACC. wait till next year.

It came down to FTs, youth, and guard play.

Look at our guards and tell me I'm wrong:
Javi - Inconsistent. Bad FT shooter. Turnover prone. Good shooter at times.
Mays - Slow. Not very aggressive, makes smart safe plays. Good shooter. Below average defender.
Degand - Fast. Sometimes plays out of control. Bad FT shooter. Inconsistent defender.
Williams - Solid athletic skills, solid ball handler, good defender, good shooter, great midrange shot, but too passive to take advantage of any of this.

It had nothing to do with the 10 man rotation.

Who didn't need to play? Javi, Mays, Degand, Williams, Wood, Davis, Horner, Howell, Smith, or Vandenberg?

Davis and Vandenberg play because we don't need Wood or Smith playing all 40 minutes. Howell played well and kept Horner's minutes down. We'll need him next year. Degand played well other than his inability to hit a FT. Javi, while turnover prone, is still the best PG on the roster. The only thing I'd argue is that Williams shouldn't play until you can be more aggressive on offense, but he's the best defender we have at the 2.

1/9/2010 4:28:02 PM

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"wait till next year."

The NC State motto !

1/9/2010 4:28:56 PM

BigEgo, serious question for you. Do you honestly think that Sidney Lowe is even an average college basketball coach? Or can you still not judge him as a coach yet in year #4 because of the players?

What I'm seeing is that a lot of you hope an 18 year old coming into the program next year will make Lowe be a good coach.

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1/9/2010 4:33:56 PM

I think X's and O's wise, Lowe is a fine coach

I do think he still has NBA tendencies and expects all of his players to be able to do what he tells them too, even when they lack the skills. So hopefully better recruits will help that.

1/9/2010 4:35:19 PM

Lowe knows what he is doing. You cannot win in the ACC without good guard play. Harrow and Brown are program changing guards. If we manage to get Leslie he's a program changer as well.

Twista, I agree. He expects his players to work their asses off when he's not allowed to be with them, and he expects them to be able to perform basic tasks of an uptempo team when he's working with a lot of scraps. If you wanna get top talent, you need to get involved early. That's why he landed Howell, Brown, Harrow, and at one time Leslie. Mays and Williams can be good role players for us if they work to improve their games, but they're not elite talent, and Lowe wasn't able to get in early for the top talent in that class. It's amazing that he ever got Smith and Hickson considering when he got in the game with them. Javi and Degand are in that scraps category. Horner is a good player, just doesn't fit our system.

1/9/2010 4:35:27 PM

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"Who didn't need to play? Javi, Mays, Degand, Williams, Wood, Davis, Horner, Howell, Smith, or Vandenberg?"

My opinion is Mays doesn't need to play. Williams doesn't need to play. Make them earn their playing time in practice. Don't just play the whole team in a bizarre 10+ man rotation (especially, ESPECIALLY, with our team) throughout the game.

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1/9/2010 4:39:41 PM

Exactly how is our players not hitting free throws the coaches fault? We lost this game because we had a 10 point lead and when UVA fouled us we couldn't hit the damn free throws to put the game away. I can agree that Lowe's substitutions are a bit strange on who plays when but to hang this game and the UF game on Lowe is BS. He isnt out there shooting FREE throws, the players are.

And to say Lowe cant develop a player is un-true...Javier was getting boo'ed his freshman year and this year he is leaps and bounds better.

NCSU = quickest school to want a head coach fired

How about blaming Fowler for putting Lowe in a position that he was not qualified for in the first place.

1/9/2010 4:40:36 PM

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1/9/2010 4:40:36 PM

I'm willing to bet $100 that we don't make the NCAA Tournament next year with Lowe at the helm regardless who he brings in. So finally after next season when we have "good guards" we can fire him after finishing bottom half of the ACC right?

^Who's players are out there missing those free throws? Does Lowe ever take blame with some of you?

Yeah I can't believe some NC State fans, a school with 2 national championships, are upset about being the worst team in the ACC in a coach's fourth season. It's not really my fault Lowe wasn't qualified for the job.

[Edited on January 9, 2010 at 4:43 PM. Reason : ^]

1/9/2010 4:40:54 PM

by we do you mean the fans? maybe we can "run him off"

1/9/2010 4:42:20 PM

Sidney probably wouldn't grace us with that effort being a former player. He would have to be fired.

1/9/2010 4:46:02 PM

What we should do as REAL true fans is learn to embrace the consistent losing. Maybe give Lowe a raise and extension so another school doesn't come after him.

1/9/2010 4:46:08 PM

I'm not so sure about Harrow being able to carry this team next year. At 160lbs, he's going to get tossed around. Plus, expecting a freshman, even a highly talented one, to come in and lead a team in the ACC is a lot to ask.

I have a feeling we're going to be relying on Javi at point again next year.

1/9/2010 4:46:19 PM

Yeh two nation championships over 20 yrs ago....we havent been a national contender since way before Lowe's turn....and of course we just have elite coaches knocking down the door to coach here...

I am not saying Lowe doesnt deserve some of the blame...but firing (running off) coaches every 3-4 years does not exactly present a very sought after job..

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1/9/2010 4:48:42 PM

The kid is going to be an 18 year old frosh, we'll finish 9th or 8th at best in the league, maybe 7-9 ACC season next year and NIT bid. Harrow gets ACC freshman of the year with 18pts/game and 6 or 7 assts per game. Praises will be sung of Lowe and his dramatic improvement from not finishing dead last in the ACC.

We aren't going to ever be an elite team or close to it under this coach.

[Edited on January 9, 2010 at 4:50 PM. Reason : []

1/9/2010 4:48:44 PM

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"My opinion is Mays doesn't need to play. Williams doesn't need to play. Make them earn their playing time in practice. Don't just play the whole team in a bizarre 10+ man rotation (especially, ESPECIALLY, with our team) throughout the game."

We need Williams to be a good player for us if we want to be a good team this year. He's a good player if he's aggressive. Otherwise we've got a bunch of minus defenders playing the 2. We need someone who can shoot FTs and right now, and Mays is that guy. Mays is our back-up PG and he has to play. Maybe Williams should ride the pine until he is more aggressive, but then again the only way you'll see he isn't aggressive is if he plays.

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"I'm not so sure about Harrow being able to carry this team next year. At 160lbs, he's going to get tossed around. Plus, expecting a freshman, even a highly talented one, to come in and lead a team in the ACC is a lot to ask."

If they attempt to toss him around he'll see a lot of time at the stripe. This is basketball, not football. His size will keep him out of the NBA, for now, but not keep him from being a productive college basketball player from day one

1/9/2010 4:49:24 PM

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"..but firing (running off) coaches every 3-4 years does not exactly present a very sought after job.."

what the fuck, just what in THEEEE fuck are you talking about? When is the last time NC State has ever fired a basketball coach?

Clearly under Fowler, NC State basketball coach is probably the most secure coaching gig in the nation.

Get the fuck out of here with that stupid bullshit

[Edited on January 9, 2010 at 4:52 PM. Reason : []

1/9/2010 4:52:13 PM

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"We aren't going to ever be an elite team or close to it under this coach."

What makes you think we'll ever be an elite team as long as there are two hall of fame coaches right down the road?

Or that an elite coach would want to coach our team, knowing full well they'll be recruiting against Roy and K?

1/9/2010 4:52:55 PM

^ those fuckers got to retire at some point right?

1/9/2010 4:55:39 PM

indeed

i'm sure Johnny Dawkins (if he is their next coach) and whoever UNC brings in will be good, but not K/Roy great

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1/9/2010 4:57:46 PM