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"sexual assault < rape"

dont you know anything about the court system? hahah they ALWAYS overcharge. helps with the plea bargaining.

[Edited on May 3, 2006 at 5:45 PM. Reason : aha]

5/3/2006 5:45:14 PM

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"dont you know anything about the court system? "

Novicanes' Wrapsheet < Jacklegs' Wrapsheet

5/3/2006 5:57:41 PM

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=local&id=4136542

Duke Lacrosse player speaks out.

5/3/2006 6:23:27 PM

hi welcome to yesterday

5/3/2006 7:04:06 PM

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"If true, then kekekkekek"

I don't know if it is true or not. Someone had sent it to me and said that it was her rap sheet and I figured I would drop it in the thread. I had heard discussion about previous charges and figured that this was the source.

If this is true, simply because she had a skirmish with the law one day doesn't mean something didn't happen. Draw your own conclusions.

[Edited on May 3, 2006 at 8:30 PM. Reason : +]

5/3/2006 8:18:33 PM

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"DURHAM, NC, United States (UPI) -- Members of the New Black Panther Party held a small demonstration outside the entrance to Duke University in North Carolina on Monday. Police barred the group from entering the campus. Some students came out to watch but the protestors and students were outnumbered by members of the media, the Raleigh News & Sentinel reported. The group had a list of demands including the conviction of two members of the Duke lacrosse team charged with sexually assaulting a dancer hired for a team party. After the demonstration at Duke, the Panthers marched to the team house where the party took place. "

They demand the conviction of the two players? I guess due process for white people doesn't exist in Black Panther thought...or maybe the Black Panthers believe black people don't lie...

I just don't get it.

5/3/2006 11:20:48 PM

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"so the black panthers demand justice and will intimidate the trial from now on.....what if the alleged rapists were black and the victim white and the KKK came to durham demanding justice......Double Standard......you bet your ass. "

as i said earlier

5/3/2006 11:22:06 PM

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"what if the alleged rapists were black and the victim white and the KKK came to durham demanding justice......Double Standard......you bet your ass. "

while both organizations (black panthers and KKK) are blatantly racist...only one of them has a history of hanging people from trees and burning people to death. you guess which.

5/3/2006 11:33:22 PM

KKK ropes
black panthers guns

5/4/2006 12:37:11 AM

the hate/intent is still there. but seriously, when was the last lynching around here?

5/4/2006 1:10:10 AM

^^ dont know about u but i'd rather get shot.
^ you got me, when was the last black panthers murder?

5/4/2006 1:32:05 AM

people are bitching like the BPP has any power. They are nuts and are asking for things that are nuts. What is the double standard that exists?

5/4/2006 2:29:23 AM

i'll tell you where it exists

you coming in here and posting like a goddamned idiot about this case

5/4/2006 8:49:46 AM

so because i dont automatically accept that she is a lying bitch i'm an idiot? Or is it that I am just roviding an alternate p.o.v, that makes me an idiot?

5/4/2006 12:06:41 PM

^There may be a few people on here that automatically thought she was lying but I'd say the majority that think she is lying came to that conclusion by looking at the facts that have been released.

They are probably calling you an idiot because you looked at the alibi and basically said

bbbbbut the two minute time window!1!1!

If you wanted to play the opposing view it probably would have been more plausible to say that she accidentally picked the wrong person out of the lineup.

[Edited on May 4, 2006 at 12:48 PM. Reason : -]

5/4/2006 12:39:38 PM

people are bitching like the BPP KKK has any power.


Just because they don't have any power doesn't mean we can't criticize them for being idiots. That statement applies to both groups btw.

5/4/2006 1:14:43 PM

I think that the facts surrounding the case make it look like she is lying, but the alabi is not all that solid to me. Its most likely true but it doesnt have to be. If you look at the simple possibility that someone was using his phone then the alabi is not ironclad.

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"Just because they don't have any power doesn't mean we can't criticize them for being idiots. That statement applies to both groups btw. "

They deserve to be criticized, I am just wondering about this supposed double standard that Republican is talking about.

5/4/2006 1:22:58 PM

Dear Black Panthers for blah blah blah

1960's called....they want their negro cult back

Love,
-Desh

5/4/2006 2:50:30 PM

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"DURHAM, N.C. -- Police are investigating another rape involving Duke students."

ruh roh

5/4/2006 10:03:48 PM

http://www.wral.com/news/9174248/detail.html

Shit is just a witch hunt now

5/8/2006 8:15:58 AM

what


the


fuck

5/8/2006 8:36:40 AM

5/8/2006 8:57:37 AM

the drinkin age should be lowered to 18.

5/8/2006 9:24:29 AM

Wow, you guys don't want the Duke lacrosse players to get into trouble for anything, even if they openly do something against the law.

5/8/2006 9:32:12 AM

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"Senior David Evans racked up two misdemeanors in past months -- a noise violation and a misdemeanor alcohol charge. In a deal with prosecutors, the district attorney's office agreed to dismiss the charges as long as Evans completed some community service and stayed out of trouble for six months. District Attorney Mike Nifong recently suggested to WRAL that Evans is not a law-abiding citizen, because he knowingly hosted a party with underage drinkers."

5/8/2006 9:38:17 AM

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"Senior David Evans racked up two misdemeanors in past months -- a noise violation and a misdemeanor alcohol charge "

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"enough for him to take the deal off the table"

[Edited on May 8, 2006 at 9:41 AM. Reason : ^ yep]

5/8/2006 9:40:08 AM

I have two misdemeanors pending against me and consider myself a law abiding citizen. Its pretty easey to get caught up in that bullshit.

5/8/2006 11:12:31 AM

I didnt think a noise violation was a misdemeanor. Thats just a civil fine, like a parking ticket would be...right?

5/8/2006 12:11:30 PM

OH MY GOD! COLLEGE STUDENTS DRINK UNDERAGE?!?!?!

5/8/2006 12:50:01 PM

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"Six other players may also be back in court on previous misdemeanor charges unless they can prove they were not at the party. Nifong said deferred prosecution deals are made and negated at the district attorney's discretion."

shouldn't the court have to prove they WERE at the party????

5/8/2006 12:56:55 PM

i'm sure that's pretty easy to prove

pictures, witnesses, etc.

5/8/2006 12:57:47 PM

You would think so

5/8/2006 1:02:02 PM

<tinfoil-hat>
Maybe he just wants to build a list of people that were at the party to give the alleged victim a narrowed down list of suspects to choose from. They are still looking for the third attacker.
</tinfoil-hat>

5/8/2006 1:02:12 PM

Maybe if Nifong would be as passionate in prosecuting all the gang bangers and suspects in gun crimes as he is with underaged drinking, Durham wouldn't be the in the terrible state it is.

[Edited on May 8, 2006 at 1:14 PM. Reason : .]

5/8/2006 1:04:05 PM

Maybe if Nifong would be as passionate in prosecuting all the gang bangers and suspects in gun crimes as he is with underaged drinking, Durham wouldn't be the in the terrible state it is.

5/8/2006 1:24:34 PM

^ he's not going to bite the hand that votes for him

5/8/2006 2:07:03 PM

^Gang bangers do not vote, fool.

The people who vote want the gangs out just as much as anybody else.

5/8/2006 2:17:04 PM

^no, only democrats were allowed to vote in that election. and everbody knows that all democrats are black, and all black people are in gangs.

5/8/2006 2:20:01 PM

^Trying to be funny?

5/8/2006 2:21:16 PM

NO. i was being COMPLETELY serious.

5/8/2006 2:26:45 PM

^Smath74 I think this is the first time that I have 100% agreed with you

I take it back........

you can't say that ALL democrats are black but you can say that all blacks are democrats.

...do you see what I did there?

[Edited on May 8, 2006 at 2:32 PM. Reason : tru]

5/8/2006 2:31:19 PM

What are the odds of the female opponent getting the Independent nod for the general election. I know it takes like 6,000 signatures but if GOP'ers were added to the mix you know damn well she could make up that 6% or so that she trailed him in the prelim.

5/8/2006 4:33:17 PM

That is very possible, but then you have to remember that there are a lot of uneducated voters who just vote the party line.

I personally would love to see it, myself. What was surprising to me is that most of the people who voted in the election voted against Nifong. Even though he won a plurality, that doesn't seem like a very strong vote of confidence, especially for an incumbent.

5/8/2006 5:17:26 PM

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"David Evans, 23, had been granted deferred prosecution on charges of having an open container of alcohol in a vehicle in August 2005 and for violating the noise ordinance in Durham in January. The deal required Evans to complete 60 hours of community service, pay $310 in court costs and fees and stay out of trouble. In exchange, the state agreed to dismiss the charges. Assistant District Attorney Ashley Cannon argued Monday to Judge Ann McKown that Evans violated the agreement by hosting a party in March for fellow members of the lacrosse team. Many of them were not of legal drinking age, but were still allowed to consume alcohol at the party, Cannon said."

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"Kerry Sutton, another lawyer for Evans, said after court she had never had a deferred prosecution deal withdrawn after a client had met the community service and financial requirements. "I've never understood that it (deferred prosecution) required perfect behavior," Sutton said. "

Sounds like a violation of the 5th amendment to me.

5/8/2006 6:58:57 PM

Unfortunately not - double jeopardy does not attach until a jury is sworn in. (If there is a jury. If it's a judge trial, jeopardy attaches when the first witness is sworn in) If the procedure was used that I think was used, the case was adjourned in contemplation of dismissal - which means that if there is any violation at any time before the dismissal is formal, then it can be brought up. Certainly I think it is a prosecutorial abuse in this case, but it is technically within the letter of the law.

5/8/2006 8:21:18 PM

more bullshit

http://www.wral.com/news/9178286/detail.html

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"DURHAM, N.C. -- Duke underestimated the rape allegations against members of its men's lacrosse team in part because Durham police initially said the accuser "kept changing her story and was not credible," according to a university report issued Monday. The day after the March 13 team party where a 27-year-old black woman claimed she was raped, Durham police told campus officers that "this will blow over," the report said. It said that the woman initially told police she was raped by 20 white men, then said she was attacked by three. Police told the Duke officers that if any charges were filed, "they would be no more than misdemeanors," the report said. Instead, more than a month after the party, a grand jury indicted two members of the highly ranked lacrosse team -- sophomores Reade Seligmann and Collin Finnerty -- on charges of first-degree rape, first-degree kidnapping and first-degree sexual assault. District Attorney Mike Nifong has said he hopes to charge a third person. The report was commissioned by the Duke president and prepared by Julius Chambers, a former chancellor at North Carolina Central University, where the accuser is a student, and William G. Bowen, a former president of Princeton University who is now head of the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation. Their report does not say who at the Durham Police Department cast doubt on the accuser's complaint. Defense attorneys have asked the court to consider her reliability, saying she previously made allegations of rape that did not lead to any charges. After reviewing a copy of the report, Nifong declined to comment. Durham police spokeswoman Kammie Michael also declined to comment. In a statement released Monday afternoon, Finnerty's defense attorney, Wade Smith, said he was eager to explore the report further. "From the report, it appears that the accuser may have given different versions of what she alleges occurred that night and that she kept changing her story," Smith said. The report did say a female Duke police officer tried to calm and reassure the accuser at the hospital where she was taken by police hours after the party. The woman, the Duke officer said, was "crying uncontrollably and visibly shaken ... shaking, crying and upset." That behavior, the report said, "doesn't suggest that the case was likely to just 'go away.'" The statements about the accuser's credibility were part of a major failure of communications between police and several members of Duke's administration, the report said. The report said Duke President Richard Brodhead did not learn about the incident for a week, and only then by reading about it in the student newspaper. When Brodhead sought more information from Larry Moneta, Duke's vice president for student affairs, he was told "the accusations were not credible and were unlikely to amount to anything," the report said. "That's largely what we knew of this story until a burst of activity on the part of the district attorney and the police and their investigation made us realize that there was potentially a significantly larger story here," Brodhead said. Brodhead and others did not learn about the racial aspects of the case until March 24 -- "a gap in communications that is extraordinary," the report concluded. But although Duke's leaders were "much too slow" to understand and respond to the rape allegations, the delay did not represent "any effort to cover up the problems revealed by these events, to deceive anyone, or to play down the seriousness of the issues raised." The committee praised Brodhead's actions once he had better information. "Once he was in possession of the necessary information, President Brodhead has provided strong, consistent, and effective leadership in a situation that would try the talents and patience of even the most skillful leaders and crisis managers among us," according to the committee, which expressed "compassion" and "support" for the president. It said, however, that the core group advising Brodhead consisted mostly of white men and that "the senior leadership of Duke was handicapped by its own limited diversity." Noting that the senior leadership was mostly "inherited from a prior administration that was headed by an extremely able and outgoing white woman," the committee encouraged Brodhead "to find ways to bring a wider range of talented individuals to his council table." The authors of the report "have helped us learn from this difficult situation, and they have given those outside Duke an independent assessment of our actions," Brodhead responded in a statement released Monday. Monday's report, plus two released last week on the lacrosse team’s history prior to March 13 and on Duke’s student judicial processes and practices are the result of several committees Brodhead established last month in response to the allegations. The committees, Brodhead said, would investigate issues raised in the wake of the lacrosse team investigation. A fourth committee, called the Campus Culture Initiative, will submit by Dec. 1 its preliminary study of "the ways Duke educates students in the values of personal responsibility, consideration for others and mutual respect in the face of difference and disagreement." A presidential council will also scrutinize Duke's responses to the incident, advise the president on best practices in other university settings and consider ways the university can promote its values. Echoing the two previous reports, Monday's report also found "long-standing problems of campus discipline" and said "the lacrosse team was seen by at least some part of the Duke/Durham community as a manifestation of a white, elitist, arrogant sub-culture that was both indulged and self-indulgent." It also said "the athletics department, and certainly those responsible for the lacrosse team, did not oversee properly the conduct of members of the team or succeed in instilling proper values,” adding that “clearer and firmer actions in earlier days might well have reduced the likelihood that the party of March 13-14 would have unfolded as it did.""

5/8/2006 10:22:37 PM

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"The report said Duke President Richard Brodhead did not learn about the incident for a week, and only then by reading about it in the student newspaper. When Brodhead sought more information from Larry Moneta, Duke's vice president for student affairs, he was told "the accusations were not credible and were unlikely to amount to anything," the report said."

Way to stay on top of things admin

5/9/2006 3:18:49 AM

The report seems like more of an attempt to smooth over relations with the community than anything (which is probably a good idea) seeing how one of the people that helped write the report was a former chancellor at NCCU. I'm not sure how much guilt can be directed toward the university anyway. The police department seems to be the most culpable in misleading the university to the point where it took no action. Should the university be expected to hire a PI every time the police say "Move along, nothing to see here"?

What could the university have done had they known about the incident a week earlier anyway? Arrest all the LAX players?

5/9/2006 7:59:02 AM

It said that the woman initially told police she was raped by 20 white men, then said she was attacked by three.

5/9/2006 8:24:31 AM

This stupid bitch is going to ruin these kids' lives. It appears as if she's good at it, I mean, look at her life.

5/9/2006 8:35:25 AM