11/16/2007 4:24:44 PM

Samsung 1080p Blu-ray player on amazon.com for $339.99: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-BD-P1400-1080p-Blu-Ray-Player/dp/B000TME35W/

Prices seem to be moving in the right direction anyway!

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 9:25 AM. Reason : sweet looking player too]

11/19/2007 9:25:07 AM

1080p@24hz ?

11/19/2007 9:30:15 AM

don't know if this is true of not but wally world on the 24th will have ps3 w/ 15 bluray movies

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=23991

i am signed up for the wally world secret sale emails, so i will report back the day of.

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 9:32 AM. Reason : th]

11/19/2007 9:31:51 AM

^^ yup

11/19/2007 9:35:21 AM

Ok it'll do 1080p@60hz too it just seemed like it was written so that it would do 1080p@24hz or anything else @ 60hz

11/19/2007 9:43:48 AM

Daddy Day Camp is coming out on Blu-ray!! I can't wait!

11/19/2007 10:30:45 AM

i hope you are kidding....that movie sucks no matter how crystal clear the picture/sound is

11/19/2007 10:33:23 AM

It got a 1% on rotten tomatoes, and a 1.5 on IMDB. Are you kidding? It's the only movie I've ever seen where every one of the trailers in the beginning previewed a better movie.

11/19/2007 10:44:15 AM

i would think that happens alot,
i've seen alot of trailers that just sampled the good parts out of the movie and there were no more left when i watched the real movie.

11/19/2007 10:56:41 AM

Well, when I went to see the Bratz movie, its trailers were pretty bad... but it had a trailer in it for Daddy Day Camp, which was worse.

11/19/2007 11:38:42 AM

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"I went to see the Bratz movie"

please tell me you went with a little sister/cousin/niece

11/19/2007 9:17:49 PM

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"It got a 1% on rotten tomatoes, and a 1.5 on IMDB. Are you kidding? It's the only movie I've ever seen where every one of the trailers in the beginning previewed a better movie."

wait, I'm confused. So you were being sarcastic and do agree with me?

11/19/2007 10:50:36 PM

yes

11/20/2007 10:22:26 AM

Disney Votes for 51GB HD DVD Media Approval.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20071119150942_Disney_Votes_for_51GB_HD_DVD_Media_Approval.html

Quote :

"Just last week the DVD Forum approved revision 2.0 of triple-layer HD DVD 51GB media, but the detailed results of the vote were not available at press time. The fact that Walt Disney Home Entertainment, which official stance has always been strong Blu-ray support, may be an indicator that even members of the Blu-ray Association are potentially interested in the forthcoming versions of the HD DVD standard, which has been competing against BD for nearly two years in a war that is unlikely to end soon and which is even called a “stalemate” by Sony’s chief executive."

11/20/2007 1:19:01 PM

interesting.

11/20/2007 1:24:05 PM

yea, why they would vote for something they have no invested interest in is def. interesting, throws a kink into the mix.

11/20/2007 1:35:48 PM

Can't imagine how bad it will be for Blu Ray if Disney starts porting all the Pixar stuff to HD DVD. All the other blu ray exclusives (minus sony pictures of course) will follow soon after. Then the fact that HD DVD has inexpensive players will be part of the deciding factor.

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 1:47 PM. Reason : no space.]

11/20/2007 1:46:35 PM

Disney has always voted on HD DVD issues. From day one. They are the only member of the Blu-ray group that does. They helped with the creation of the HDi spec (and BD-J), so they do have invested interest in it. It's a good thing they keep an active nose in HD DVD business, because it means they are truly looking at both sides of this thing and are choosing Blu-ray for its merits, not money hats. This isn't news and Disney isn't going to be releasing HD DVDs anytime soon. Sorry to burst your bubble

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=623

Quote :

"The time is now upon us as an industry to do the right thing for the consumer. That right thing is to stop artificially prolonging this counter-production format war. The consumers are speaking loud and clear all over the world; and their choice in inevitable. It's inevitable that this industry's future, the preferred consumer future, the preferred film-maker future, and the preferred retail future is Blu-ray. "

-Disney's President, Bob Chapek

11/20/2007 1:52:15 PM

hey i don't care. Until I have kids of my own I won't be buying any Disney movies. At least not if I've already seen it in theaters.

And I wouldn't state that they aren't going to be producing any HD DVD's.

Quote :

"The time is now upon us as an industry to do the right thing for the consumer. That right thing is to stop artificially prolonging this counter-production format war. The consumers are speaking loud and clear all over the world; and their choice in inevitable. It's inevitable that this industry's future, the preferred consumer future, the preferred film-maker future, and the preferred retail future is Blu-ray."

That right there sounds like something he was told to say by Sony. I mean do the right thing for the consumer then say blu-ray is the way to go? LOL. The average consumer can't even afford blu ray.

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 1:58 PM. Reason : asdf]

11/20/2007 1:57:51 PM

The average consumer can't even afford blu ray a decent dvd player.

11/20/2007 2:14:08 PM

the average consumer CAN afford a good DVD player. Have you not looked at the prices lately?

don't get angry just because a blu ray player costs $399+ and that is a lot more than the average person is able to burn on a piece of hardware to just watch movies.

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 2:27 PM. Reason : e]

11/20/2007 2:25:14 PM

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"The consumers are speaking loud and clear all over the world; and their choice in inevitable."

that's the biggest load of bullshit... loud and clear?
you call a couple Blu-ray's here and a couple HD DVD sales there, loud and clear? i can't believe someone would say that after such dismal sales

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 2:35 PM. Reason : .]

11/20/2007 2:34:48 PM

^it's PR... come on.

and

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"don't get angry..."

Don't worry, I'm not. And no, most folks can't justify spending money on a decent DVD player because cheap ones are available for $30 and the "average consumer" doesn't know the difference.

I really hope you realize that you are the only one getting bent out of shape about this.

added: if you would put your HD-DVD flag down for half a second you would realize that I wasn't disagreeing with your post. In fact, I was taking your statement one step further.

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 2:42 PM. Reason : d]

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 2:45 PM. Reason : d]

11/20/2007 2:41:29 PM

it just makes him seem like an idiot for saying that

strong words for a PR

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 2:44 PM. Reason : .]

11/20/2007 2:43:39 PM

well, they're not gonna stand up there and say "things are looking dismal for this market... and we're not sure why we even entered this race... but we're placing our bet on blu-ray!" Which would actually be the truth in this case.



[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 2:47 PM. Reason : Long live Blu-Ray AND HD-DVD!!!]

11/20/2007 2:45:55 PM

Quote :

"Don't worry, I'm not. And no, most folks can't justify spending money on a decent DVD player because cheap ones are available for $30 and the "average consumer" doesn't know the difference."

$30 does get you a decent DVD player. hell for under $100 you can get a decent up-converting player..

Also, I have no 'flag' for HD DVD. I will be owning both so I can have access to all hi-def movies. I'm just talking from a 'i don't have $1000's to burn on home entertainment" consumers pov.

And i'm not getting bent out of shape for anything. I have nothing against blu ray but I do beleive HD DVD is the better answer because its more affordable and offers the exact same quality as blu ray. I just get a kick out of you PS3 fanatiks like you and Shrike.

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 2:49 PM. Reason : .]

11/20/2007 2:48:11 PM

i just wouldn't have used the word inevitable and lied about the customer's stance, when it's clear the customer's are confused and indecisive, he basically put words in the customer's mouth and lied about it

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 2:55 PM. Reason : .]

11/20/2007 2:53:57 PM

^^yet, you're the only one that feels called to arms when discussing this subject. If you'll read back in this thread, you're the one that keeps spouting immature comments about how "blu-ray is going to be extinct" or "blu-ray will be great next to your betamax collection!!" Grow up. It would be excusable if any of it was funny, but it's not.

In short, the only one acting like a fanatic is you. How's that for irony?


and you're right, the differences b/w the two pretty much amount to nothing. The only reason I prefer Blu-Ray is because when the media + burners finally become affordable, Blu-Ray will be a superior method of storing data. More data capacity is better, can we agree on that?

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 2:57 PM. Reason : d]

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 2:59 PM. Reason : dd]

11/20/2007 2:55:44 PM

^el oh el...go back and read everything you've said. Some of my comments about the PS3/Blu ray were intended to provoke you and they have successfully. Shrike too.

And yes, higher data storage is better...however HD DVD 51gb capacity discs are plenty of storage too. And since Burners aren't readily available then it leaves time for the higher capacity HD DVD's to be in production.

not that I care either way about storage. backing shit up to DVD's is old school IMO. Thats what 1tb external drives are for.

11/20/2007 3:20:20 PM

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"The only reason I prefer Blu-Ray is because when the media + burners finally become affordable, Blu-Ray will be a superior method of storing data. I own a PS3"

Lets be realistic here.

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 3:28 PM. Reason : .]

11/20/2007 3:27:45 PM

^you're right, I own a PS3. And because of this, I really don't care who wins this format war. As a matter of fact, I hope it goes on for a loooong time. Worst possible scenario for me is that Blu-Ray ultimately fails and I have to buy an HD-DVD player to buy future titles. Not a problem since it's so "affordable". I'll still be able to play my Blu-Rays on my PS3, so why should I care whether Blu-Ray wins or loses? In the meantime, I'm saving shitloads of money on the movies I buy because of this little competition. Works for me!

^^TB hard drives are still much more prone to failure than optical media. So yea, backing up to a hard drive is fine and dandy but if it's something I actually care about, I usually make an optical backup as well. In this case, Blu-Ray is a better option for me.

by the time they have 51GB HD-DVDs, they'll have 75GB Blu-Rays, so on etc etc.... So Blu-Ray will always have the upper hand capacity-wise.

The only supposed advantage that HD-DVD has over Blu-Ray (price) does not apply to me, precisely because I own a PS3 (don't need to buy one of their overpriced players). Blu-Ray discs, which are supposedly more expensive to manufacture, have been consistently lower priced than HD-DVDs in my experience.

I really do hope HD-DVD doesn't go away anytime soon though.

11/20/2007 4:01:32 PM

Quote :

"by the time they have 51GB HD-DVDs, they'll have 75GB Blu-Rays, so on etc etc.... So Blu-Ray will always have the upper hand capacity-wise."

thats a bold statement. Blu Ray discs are already extremely dense as is, seeing 75gb discs is not happening by the time 51 GB HD DVD are produced. Bluray only has the upper hand right now in capacity but not for much longer. In reality the upper hand is always decided by price and currently HD DVD has that.

11/20/2007 4:06:25 PM

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"The only reason I prefer Blu-Ray is because when the media + burners finally become affordable, Blu-Ray will be a superior method of storing data."

except the underlying fact is that Blu-ray will always cost more to produce than HD DVD, so while Blu-ray will become more affordable, HD DVD will become dirt cheap

11/20/2007 4:07:01 PM

^^oh, so HD-DVD has the upper hand, eh? That chart at the top of the page must have the colors switched, then....
And, 200GB Blu-Rays have been produced. So it is feasible.

Quote :

"except the underlying fact is that Blu-ray will always cost more to produce than HD DVD, so while Blu-ray will become more affordable, HD DVD will become dirt cheap"

well, as of right now even with this supposed HUGE gap in manufacturing costs, I (as a consumer) am completely unaffected by it. So why should I care about this? How is this going to be any different 1 year, 2 years from now?

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 4:10 PM. Reason : f]

11/20/2007 4:08:01 PM

http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/28/tdk-ok-were-done-with-the-200gb-recordable-blu-ray/

Woops.

Oh and HD DVDs cost more cuz of those retarded combo discs. Happily, Warner is discontinuing them as of January 2008, and hopefully Universal follows suite.

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 4:17 PM. Reason : :]

11/20/2007 4:10:24 PM

And that was LAST YEAR, mind you.

Not to mention your supposed HD-DVD price advantage completely goes away when you're talking about producing a TRIPLE LAYER disc just to match Blu-Ray's capacity...

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 4:15 PM. Reason : d]

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 4:16 PM. Reason : zzz]

11/20/2007 4:12:19 PM

Quote :

"I (as a consumer) am completely unaffected by it."

unaffected? oh right, you must have forgotten the $200 price gap in players, there's a reason why the players are completely different prices, and why the PS3 was so expensive when it first came out. it has to do with the manufacturing costs involved.

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 4:23 PM. Reason : .]

11/20/2007 4:22:57 PM

Quote :

"I (as a consumer) am completely unaffected by it. So why should I care about this? How is this going to be any different 1 year, 2 years from now?"

you should care when the company selling you those discs is selling at a loss and eventually will have to rethink a lot of things

Quote :

"Oh and HD DVDs cost more cuz of those retarded combo discs. Happily, Warner is discontinuing them as of January 2008, and hopefully Universal follows suite."

agreed. I hate that shit.

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 4:24 PM. Reason : asdf]

11/20/2007 4:23:45 PM

^^Again, I am completely unaffected by the price gap. I already own a player. The argument you made concerning media doesn't hold water NOW, how can you say it will EVER.

^please, show me the cost breakdown. You're obviously just talking out of your ass, just like you were 2 posts ago when Blu-Ray discs were too dense to hold more than 50GB.

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 4:31 PM. Reason : d]

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 4:32 PM. Reason : d]

11/20/2007 4:28:45 PM

honestly, what's the cheapest you can buy a HD-DVD player for?

I'm not buying this whole $200 price gap between players business. Show me, cuz I think you're basing your whole argument off the $99 fire sale, which lasted a whole weekend.

11/20/2007 4:48:10 PM

At the moment, $199 with 10 free HD DVDs.

11/20/2007 4:53:56 PM

That's about what I thought, and also not $200 cheaper than a Blu-Ray player.

11/20/2007 5:03:45 PM

PS3 - $399, that's about where all the samsung player's fall too, i haven't seen that many under $399

oh wait i forgot, just this week they reduced one model to $339 and only at buy.com

11/20/2007 5:07:05 PM

Oh, I love the speculation and conjecture surrounding Disney. It's kinda funny. When ANY distributor makes ANY comment in ANY way connected to the HDM world, everyone is always so quick to spin it toward being pro-this or pro-that, and how obvious "it's only a matter of time before they go exclusive".

Well I'll fuel the fire. Maybe Disney voted for triple-layer, because it renders all existing HD DVD players obsolete? So far, it hasn't been shown that this won't render your standard Toshiba A2 obsolete.

Quote :

"Disney has always voted on HD DVD issues. From day one. They are the only member of the Blu-ray group that does. They helped with the creation of the HDi spec (and BD-J), so they do have invested interest in it. It's a good thing they keep an active nose in HD DVD business, because it means they are truly looking at both sides of this thing and are choosing Blu-ray for its merits, not money hats. This isn't news and Disney isn't going to be releasing HD DVDs anytime soon. Sorry to burst your bubble"

QFT.

11/20/2007 7:11:32 PM

phew, well that's good to know

11/20/2007 7:52:08 PM

aren't the blue ray players higher price mostly due to the fact that its expensive and hard to make the led to read the thing? so if they can fix that then prices will drop.
Also more layers aways make me nervous, I mean my players have a hard time with smudges and little nicks from the dvd's I rent from blockbuster. Won't this extra layer compound the problem.

11/20/2007 8:14:20 PM

Well both the HD-DVD and blue-ray players use blue-laser-LED's. From what I've heard, the blue-ray LED's have to be insanely high quality to meet the specs though. That's part of the reason they're so expensive (and why companies like Wicked Laser were taking PS3's apart for the laser diode for a while-quality control made it worthwhile.)

The other part of the costs does come from the licensing costs though.

11/20/2007 8:20:00 PM

Yeah, Blu-ray disc bits more tightly packed, so you need a higher quality laser to hit them. It's just better technology, I guess.

11/20/2007 9:06:21 PM

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"PS3 - $399, that's about where all the samsung player's fall too, i haven't seen that many under $399 oh wait i forgot, just this week they reduced one model to $339 and only at buy.com"

Sony BDS301 $279 at BJ's through 11/25

and you can get the PS3 with 15 movies for $399, not a bad deal.

[Edited on November 21, 2007 at 8:24 AM. Reason : d]

11/21/2007 8:23:06 AM