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"I don't know what game you were watching, but look at these offensive statistics/looks to me like we did pretty well on offense"

I was watching the NC State-Florida State game. I guess more objectively than you. The offense played pretty well except it struggled in the 2nd half, other than the great 67yd TD pass by Wilson. It is still an improvement over the anemic offenses of the last few years.

1st Half
10 plays 72 yards, 05:36 FG (great drive, settled for a FG)

5 plays 62 yards, 02:06 TD (great drive for TD)

5 plays 30 yards, 02:35 punt

2nd Half
4 plays 17 yards, 01:34  punt (started inside own 15 yd line)

6 plays 34 yards, 02:45  punt (started inside own 15 yd line)

4 plays 10 yards, 02:22  punt

3 plays 80 yards, 01:00 TD (great 67yd TD pass)

3 plays 8 yards, 01:20   punt

4 plays -4 yards, 01:38 loss on downs

4 plays 4 yards, 01:24 loss on downs


1st Downs 
FSU 28
NCSU 14

3rd down efficiency 
FSU 10-17
NCSU 1-9

Total Yards
FSU 392
NCSU 338

Passing
FSU 254
NCSU 181

Rushing 
FSU 138
NCSU 157 (nice to see a productive running game) 

Penalties 
FSU 6-55
NCSU 7-70 

FSU with fewer penalties/yards than another team?   TOB got schooled on how to work the refs in your favor. 

Time of Possession
FSU 38:16
NCSU 21:44

10/17/2008 2:04:07 PM

How badly did Irving reinjure himself?

10/17/2008 2:31:14 PM

Don't be a cunt.

You know what I'm talking about. We had a lot of bad drives in the second half, but I think we played conservatively thinking we would have more opportunities than we did. Last week people were bitching that we didnt run the ball enough. Now, we run the ball, and see what happens? you open yourself up to more 3-outs especially when playing from behind. We should have had a big lead after halftime, but after FSU's first posession, we were playing from behind on every posession.


I just keep going back to the fact that we had them stopped, in impossible 3rd and long situations, two of which they ran an RB/QB draw in, and couldnt get off the field. Thats what my argument was. Tackling does 2 things. Keeps them from scoring, and gets us the ball back.


I'll add some numbers to yours...we were 0/3 stopping them on 3rd and 17+. Tackling.



[Edited on October 17, 2008 at 2:42 PM. Reason : ]

10/17/2008 2:37:44 PM

that alltel chad guy is such a fag

one of the highlights of the game was the paper airplane that made it onto the field.. most of the student section was cheering

10/17/2008 3:09:21 PM

Tough loss for the Pack. I was pulling for you and excited as hell to see you run all over FSU in the first few quarters.

I thought the game was in the bag, and them my meds hit, and then I checked yahoo.

Bummer guys.

I kind of feel like you guys, and yes Ill give you the injury thing, are kind of like UNC was last year. Competitive as hell but the games being juuuuuust out of reach.

Hopfully you can muster up a few more wins before the season is over. It was awesome watching NCSU perform in the first half and I wish you guys good luck in subsequent games.

10/17/2008 3:34:03 PM

suck my fat blind ....

10/17/2008 3:40:21 PM

Peter Parker

10/17/2008 4:26:23 PM

Quote :

"How badly did Irving reinjure himself?"

TOB said, "It's hard to tell because I think [Nate Irving] has an impact in the defense feels his leadership when he's out there... he's probably gone again for a while."

10/17/2008 4:52:41 PM

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"in impossible 3rd and long situations, two of which they ran an RB/QB draw we were 0/3 stopping them on 3rd and 17+. Tackling"

Absolutely wrong again. They were 2/4 on 3rd and 17+ (a sack, an incomplete pass, 2 completed passes). Smith also ran for a 1st down on 3rd and 14. We should have stopped them every time but these instances, except for the run, dealt with poor pass coverage and the defender not being in position to make the play. On a couple of those long Ponder runs, we had a defender run right by him completely oblivious that Ponder had the ball. Our defenders regularly take poor angles in pursuit of the ball carrier. Not being in position to make a play definitely leads to missed tackles. Like I said, poor tackling isn't the only issue and reason we lost this game. Definitely frustrating but something the coaches can/should correct.

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"Now, we run the ball, and see what happens? you open yourself up to more 3-outs"

We had our most productive running game of the season... our highest yard total and yards-per-carry. We had about 3 times as many rushing 1st downs compared to passing 1st downs. In many instances, passing actually opens yourself up to more 3-and-outs. When we didn't convert 3rd downs, it was usually due to passing. Most of those were very manageable 3rd down situations. I think we only had three 3rd and long situations and all three were preceded by incomplete passes or passes for minimal gain.

[Edited on October 17, 2008 at 5:11 PM. Reason : *to include Smith]

10/17/2008 4:55:02 PM

we had our most productive rushing game from Eugene.

The runs up the middle to Brown have gotta go. He tiptoes too much. Just run downhill and slam the hole.

10/17/2008 5:05:25 PM

The coaching is so bad. the play callling is so bad. We never get pressure on a single punt and teams can snap over the punters head, grab a coffee and still get punts off yet we never have the block to setup a good return. Its amazing.

7 guys allow a ball into the endzone. I guarantee you won't see that happen from any other team.

a guy has 12ypc on 7 and you only score 17 points in a loss. you won't see this happen anywhere else either because any decent coach would give a guy more carries when he is running like that.

3rrd and 5 at the end why on earth would you drop back to pass? ESPECIALLY when you have been running like you had. you know its 4 down territory and you know they don't want to allow an easy pass and catch. Fsu pinned their ears back and rushed the qb it was no contest. Bad call and I said exactly what are options and consequences of run/pass would be right before the play. Often people are funny and say "i'd like to see you calling the plays" when somebody criticizes the coaches but in this case it wouldn't even have its sarcastic value.

we lost because of A. coaching. B.defensive talent. Our defense didn't play a bad game but when you are playing a team with skilled guys like antone smith and preston parker they are going to break tackles and make guys miss regardless of how well you tackle.

the fsu guys on the other hand are so talented defensively that you can make them miss and they still have the presence and stregth to arm tackle you as you go by. I saw eugene tackled by a defender laying on the ground grabbing AND NOT LETTING GO of his foot. that was amazing to me. Tripping is one thing but he caught his foot and save probably a breakaway run at the los. Also I saw Graham make a corner slip the opposite direction and he was able to still arm tackle him while sliding the other way. Just incredible talent all over that fsu defense.

10/17/2008 5:08:04 PM

it's called reading man, you can't slam the hole until the blocks develop, there's is absolutely nothing wrong with Andre Brown's running.

10/17/2008 5:09:33 PM

sorry i don't buy it. that kind of running doesn't get you far against a team with a fast defense

10/17/2008 5:12:40 PM

yeah, i'm sure he'd be more productive running over a DT. I'm not saying you're wrong, but you've got to remember, to run the football like that, you have to have a big, strong, physical offensive line, if you get a chance watch Alabama, or LSU play this weekend.

[Edited on October 17, 2008 at 5:16 PM. Reason : .]

10/17/2008 5:13:35 PM

wolfNstein i don't know what the point of your arguments are besides getting off on saying "absolutely wrong"

so what, I was off by 1. Don't be a douche. you just posted a book to argue with me but completely agreed with me except on the exact numbers. Sorry I couldn't re-watch the game. My source for 0-3 was wrong and I can think of 3 3rd and longs (well more than that but lets say 3rd and a mile, and at critical times) that they converted and I conveniently forgot the ones we stopped because we looked so terrible last night. I'm sure not many people blame me.


I do disagree with you statements on running. we had a great running game last night, but we stuck with it a few series too long late in the game. You can run when you're trying to control the clock, and we did that well early last night, but we fucked up by trying to control the clock after we lost the lead.


Teams like VT and Wake can afford to run the ball all game long even with a slight deficit because they know their D can get the ball back. You cant take that risk even if you're running the ball fairly well when you have to score. We HAVE to score because our defense sucks, and the only way we have done that this year is to air it out.

Other than that, I don't know what you're talking about.

[Edited on October 17, 2008 at 5:43 PM. Reason : ]

10/17/2008 5:43:09 PM

and besides that one terrible punt where 8 of our guys couldn't keep it out of the endzone, our special teams, at least on the punts, looked outstanding. i don't recall any terrible kicks and our coverage was excellent.

baby steps.

10/17/2008 6:22:06 PM

If I had a vagina I would have cried when that punt went into the endzone. That was some sad nc state shit.

10/17/2008 7:24:52 PM

I have agreed with you very little. My points have been fairly clear in bringing up the fallacies of your statements.

Quote :

"we stuck with it a few series too long late in the game."

late in the game as in 4th quarter?
We ran the ball once in the 4th quarter with almost 11 minutes left in the game (only down 3 points). The play before that was a pass and every play after that was a pass (with the last two series being pass only situations due to time)

late in the game as in 3rd quarter?
We were only down 3 points and still having some success moving the ball on the ground. Why abandon the run that early? We had more success running the ball in that quarter than passing.

The run/pass mix was fairly even with the run setting up the pass. Why do you think the middle of the field was wide open on that 67yd TD pass to start the 4th quarter? The play before it we just had another long run for a 1st down. The defender bit on the run-fake, Spencer beat his man and Wilson threw a perfect pass.

We weren't trying to control the clock after we lost the lead. The coaches seemed to be sticking to the game plan that had worked fairly well at that point. There was no need to abandon it that soon. Although it was frustrating watching FSU control the game, it's not like the defense was completely shitting the bed. We were never down by more than one score until the failed 4th down conversion that gave them the ball in FG range.


Anyway, on to the Maryland game. Hopefully we can continue to improve and get a win.

10/17/2008 8:42:52 PM

bwahaha, from statefans

Quote :

"paper airplanes need to go My wife and I and our three year old daughter were sitting low in section 3 when my wife flinched and started bleeding profusely. Apparently someone in the upper section made a paper airplane out of the card stunt material and winged it out. The plane flew down and hit my wife right above her eye and it took us about ten minutes to get the bleeding to stop. I know it's lots of fun to make planes and throw things, but everyone needs to think about how things like this might go south. I'm just glad it hit her above her eye and not in it. By the way, like I said earlier, we were in section 3. So everyone can stop blaming the students before they even start. We all need to be more responsible. Go Pack!"

Quote :

"Also people need to stop with the beach balls. One guy hit Bowden in the face with one. "

[Edited on October 17, 2008 at 9:40 PM. Reason : .]

10/17/2008 9:39:30 PM

The stunts we did were the only cool things yesterday...

10/17/2008 9:46:14 PM

I'd say they were fairly cunning stunts

10/17/2008 10:05:02 PM

The shit flying around at the games does look retarded.

10/17/2008 10:36:59 PM

10/17/2008 10:39:44 PM

The paper airplanes/beach balls are retarded. That crap has always been retarded, just watch/be a part of the game. It sucks when you're trying to watch the game and you keep getting hit in the back of the head because people re-found their inner 4 year old and started making paper airplanes.

10/17/2008 11:07:55 PM

weren't all the cards on the old people side of the stadium?

10/18/2008 12:14:39 AM

I was in the Student Wolfpack Club section and we had them, so it wasn't just old people who got them. I can say I didn't get hit by the planes, but it was interesting to see people get escorted out by the NCSU cops for "making airplanes", but yet they continued to fly from everywhere. I didn't see the point in doing it, in fact I kept my card as I thought it was a cool thing to have from the game, but that's me I guess.

10/18/2008 12:21:12 AM

Cards extended into section 7 but not section 8 as far as over in the student section.

10/18/2008 12:28:44 AM

the people that make paper airplanes are just sad. Whats the fucking point? Especially the people that were making them before the end of the first quarter.....i mean, really??? grow the fuck up

10/18/2008 12:59:41 AM

don't really care about the paper airplanes..

the punk right behind me and packboozie in the dang student section, wearing a freshman lanyard from NCSU and a state shirt, constantly cheering for fsu, and the whole time raggin on his little girlfriend loud enough for everybody to hear...

yeah that's what ticked me off. some people should get a good beating instead of free (and awesome) tickets.

10/18/2008 1:01:26 AM

fly like paper

get high like planes

yall hate but you're just lame as hell and didn't see the one that went from section 11 to section 112.

nothing like seeing 10,000 paper airplanes rain. I mean who saw that when they were 4? I know I never saw that many paper airplanes before...and the person compalining about a peper cut boo hoo. paper can't seriously hurt anyone and as long as you are watching the game theres no way your eye can get hit.

one hit chuck amato in the foot. the beach balls are great. the apples are great.

don't make stupid shit every game if you don't want people to throw it.

10/18/2008 1:38:17 AM

I'm not saying it would seriously injure anyone, I'm just saying it's distracting to get hit in the back/back of the head the whole game when you actually showed up early enough to get into section 7 and not section 112 where of course you're not going to get hit by a million paper airplanes from on high.

10/18/2008 9:12:16 AM

lol that's why I just sit in the endzones anyway SEZ or NOR

10/18/2008 12:07:52 PM

ESPN Road Trip: NC State
http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3649122

10/18/2008 3:00:14 PM

fuck the paper airplanes. we almost got run over by a deer. was walking up the sidewalk from trinity/edwards mill and a damn deer jumped out, spun around and went back in.

10/18/2008 3:04:45 PM

Can somebody please explain to me how UNC is ranked number 18 and is about to go 11-1 this year and we are fucking an absolute ass garbage of a football team. This shit sucks dick.


Both teams started in similar shape with new coaches at virtually the same time and we look like a fucking high school team.

10/18/2008 4:00:17 PM

cry about it


they have been out-recruiting us for 5 years now. Its about damn time they won some games. We'll settle it on the field later this year. And lose. Who gives a shit about UNC?

10/18/2008 4:06:24 PM

^^The teams were not in close to the same condition when the coaches were hired. Look at their depth charts and tell me we have anywhere close to the same amount of depth they do. We are playing walk-ons and freshmen because we don't have enough bodies.

10/18/2008 4:09:22 PM

strength of schedule, injuries, Bunting left more talent than Amato?

10/18/2008 4:09:49 PM

It's true, saying that we got coaches at the same time means absolutely nothing. We'll be much better next year with all the guys we have red-shirted.

10/18/2008 4:11:05 PM

man, i hope you guys are right. i get sick of seeing UNC succeed in whatever they try and NCSU sucking elephant dick at everything

10/18/2008 4:12:13 PM

if we go 3-9 and beat UNC, there are no negative vibes from me about this season

10/18/2008 4:13:38 PM

^^We had 5 4* prospects this year, 4 of them red-shirted and 1 of them didn't qualify academically and will be here in the spring (albeit 1 red-shirted because he tore his ACL his senior year).

10/18/2008 4:16:38 PM

someone called into mark packer's show the other day complaining about the media coverage of UNC. Sounded like a total goober, and really didn't do state fans any favors to say the least.


Now that UNC has actually won some games, I'm more tired of hearing our fans bitch about them and the media than I am of seeing them do well. As long as we suck dick, its gonna be this way. At least we still have the opportunity to knock them off their high horse later this year.

10/18/2008 4:51:14 PM

I think a lot of State fans wouldn't have as much a problem with UNC doing well if their fans were as hardcore and devoted as ours. I mean they'd still hate that UNC is doing well, but they could accept it more if they weren't a fanbase full of bandwagoners.

10/18/2008 5:18:26 PM

You guys better get used to it. UNC was one of the worst BCS programs in the country before Davis took over and he has already awakened the sleeping giant this quickly. Now UNC is giving attention to football and within a few years they will be a national contender year in year out. Amato, on the other hand brought big football hope and kept NC State loaded with great first day NFL talent and was always a quarterback away from dominance. That qb was Wilson but you didn't give him a chance now you're paying the costly costly price for impatience. Amato may not have dominated NC recruiting but he was a solid 4th in Florida recruiting prowess right behind the big boys and 3rd in Pa. Anybody that can recruit big out of three large states is going to do well. You traded talent for discipline bottom line.

The only thing NC State has going for it is being in the easy division.

10/18/2008 7:14:22 PM

lol were paying for gettin rid of amato...

10/18/2008 7:17:50 PM

hahahahahahahah


easy division?


I guess you can look at it like that. I mean the costal does have UVA BABY!!!!!!!!

10/18/2008 7:46:06 PM

^^^ suspend, delete, terminate, the stupidity has finally gotten to me.

10/18/2008 7:57:55 PM

I'm starting to enjoy it. Best troll sports talk has had in a while.

10/18/2008 8:09:30 PM

Everytime wethebest says something it makes me sad. We went 3-9 in his last year and barely won two of those games. If we had had a QB, we might've won 5 games instead of 3. Our O-line was only getting worse under Chuck's tenure and we had little to no discipline. Even when we had great talent we underachieved because we made so many stupid mistakes. Don't try to make it like Chuck's a better coach than TOB.

quick edit: And I guess getting the #3 QB in the nation out of high school last year isn't that big of a deal. Too bad TOB can't get good players.

2nd edit: Where are all of these "1st round draft picks" you're talking about too. Chuck had three 1st rounders all in the same year, don't count Rivers because he was an O'Cain recruit.

[Edited on October 18, 2008 at 8:33 PM. Reason : wethebest= fail]

[Edited on October 18, 2008 at 8:39 PM. Reason : 2nd edit]

10/18/2008 8:28:38 PM