I am probably more down on NC State athletics than ever but I cannot blame TOB with his handling of this situation.

Say you meet this hot girl and you have a great time with her. You want something more serious but she can't commit. In the meantime, you meet another girl who is not quite as hot but has potential if she gets a tit job and loses a few pounds. She isn't trying to fuck your friend with more money and the relationship could go places.

You gotta stick with the loyal one. TOB is a man of his word. I hope it doesn't end up fucking him and I have respect for his decision.

5/1/2011 2:09:37 AM

Wilson has a contract with the Colorado Rockies to play BASEBALL

they have said they will not allow him to spend the fall playing college football. if he, god forbid, breaks his throwing arm, he becomes a wasted pick for the Rockies and he may never be the player they expected with the 4th round pick they spent on him.

5/1/2011 3:19:29 AM

how many qbs have broken their throwing arm?

5/1/2011 5:27:09 AM

Why did Russell need spring and full summer workouts? BECAUSE WE LOST MOST OF OUR RECEIVERS AND ARE CHANGING OUR STYLE OF PLAY. Last year we returned pretty much everyone and we didn't make any changes, ergo easier for Wilson to come back try to play catch up. He did ok but his timing was off all season. He hasn't been as good as his first year. We made a lot of personnel changes and design and play changes that Russell needed to be in spring and full practices for if he wanted to start. He chose to play baseball.

This was pretty much how it was going to go down the moment he signed a contract with the Rockies.

5/1/2011 8:47:14 AM

^great point

5/1/2011 9:23:12 AM

That's why he asked for an open competition this fall. If he beat MG out while mike was running a system designed for him, then so be it.

That's what real fans wanted. That's what a performance-based organization would want.

Instead, losers like TOB and his ball-lickers such as packboozie wanted to kick Wilson out in favor of some loser on the bench.

If Wilson did only fall practice and beat glennon out for the job, so be it. Competition is how you get the best product on the field, not this communist, crony bullshit.

Stability is not more important than winning, contrary to what the losers think. Risk averse faggots crave stability, and their little heads get shell-shocked by any sort of deviation from the plan. This is why TOB is such a terrible game coach.


[Edited on May 1, 2011 at 9:42 AM. Reason : ..]

5/1/2011 9:38:18 AM

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"Stability is not more important than winning, contrary to what the losers think."

How can you say this after saying that TOB should have been willing to bench Glennon for RW?

Stability means being able to recruit well and win consistently year after year. Who would want to go to a school with a coach who is willing to go back on his word and bench a starter like Glennon for someone who wasn't willing to contribute during Spring practice?

I LOVE RW just as much as the next guy and this situation sucks but I can't fault TOB for thinking ahead and sticking to his guns rather than basing his decision off the emotions of the moment.

5/1/2011 9:52:55 AM

You guys will learn once you get into the real world that arbitrary deadlines and loyalty tests are the sign of a poor manager. The people who admire TOB's style are themselves poor managers or have been indoctrinated by poor managers.

And if a recruit doesn't come here because he is afraid he will lose a job through competition, WE DON'T WANT HIM. This is a performance-based organization (right??). The best players love competition. They don't shy away from it, and if they lose, they don't cry about it.

5/1/2011 10:12:18 AM

You know what's a sure sign someone is talking out their ass?

When they say things like "once you get into the real world".

5/1/2011 10:16:33 AM

TOB never said RW couldn't come back in the fall, but he did say he'd be second string. Sounds like Wilson wasn't interested in competing for a position he thought should be his. Even if Glennon was the starter for a game or two RW could of busted his ass and been number one by week 2 or 3 if he earned it. Seems like RW was a little putoff by having to earn the chance to start, and said peace out. I wish him all the best, but as you said:

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"And if a recruit doesn't come here because he is afraid he will lose a job through competition, WE DON'T WANT HIM. This is a performance-based organization (right??). The best players love competition. They don't shy away from it, and if they lose, they don't cry about it."

Sounds like you and TOB agree after all.

5/1/2011 10:18:37 AM

^Either completely ignorant or lying.

From Wilson himself:

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" “I really want the fans, N.C. State alumni and most of all my teammates to know if I had been given an equal opportunity to compete for the starting job, I would not have asked for my release,” Wilson said Saturday in a telephone interview. “I am a competitor."

Wilson was fine with competition, just as he was last year. TOB is the one who didn't want a competition.

5/1/2011 10:20:27 AM

How many of you are willing to throw Glennon to the dogs just because he had a lackluster performance in the Spring game? Just curious.

I doubt people would be this upset if he had gone out on the field and been an explosive QB.

[Edited on May 1, 2011 at 10:29 AM. Reason : .]

5/1/2011 10:28:45 AM

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"if I had been given an equal opportunity to compete for the starting job"

I'm curious, skokiaan: what does equal opportunity mean to you?

5/1/2011 10:28:56 AM

I'll tell you what it's not -- it's saying one guy is going to be the starter no matter what and one guy is going to be on the bench no matter what, months in advance.

You seem to think that is an equal opportunity. I do not.

---

Anyway, you guys don't understand that Russell Wilson is our whole team, even more than Rivers made the Amato teams. At least we sometimes had a good defense and good run game when Rivers was here.

Under TOB, we have had shitty to mediocre defense, shitty special teams, shitty running, shitty time management, shitty OL play, and ho hum play calling. The only reason TOB teams have done anything well is because of RW making up for out deficiencies with his legs and decision making.

We've seen it before -- this is a great QB making up for a bad team and questionable coach.

5/1/2011 10:37:09 AM

Okay, I love football Jesus, but that's a little exaggerated.

A QB is nothing without his OL and his receiving corps. Yes, RW made a lot of plays out of nothing with his running game but some of those runs only happened because of our fairly strong OL, and he really didn't have the arm to make passes come unless the WRs were also on same page (this is evident from the Maryland game in which most of his passes were dropped).

And if you don't think the defense was good, why were we 29th overall in the country for Points Against, with three teams scoring less than 10 points on us, including a ranked WV in our bowl game?

[Edited on May 1, 2011 at 10:44 AM. Reason : .]

5/1/2011 10:43:47 AM

Quote :

"I'll tell you what it's not -- it's saying one guy is going to be the starter no matter what and one guy is going to be on the bench no matter what, months in advance. You seem to think that is an equal opportunity. I do not."

You keep saying what equal opportunity is not. I want to know what it is.

5/1/2011 10:45:59 AM

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"We wish Russell the best - if he comes back, we'll welcome him, but he knows he'll come back as the backup quarterback."

There isn't a coach in this league who doesn't have a starter in mind for the upcoming fall season, that said, there also isn't a coach in this league who wouldn't make the adjustments neccesary to win if his starter wasn't getting the job done. RW simply did not want to entertain the idea of not having the starting spot. If he wanted the spot badly enough it was there for him to compete for. Does the guy with 4 months additional practice with a new offensive game plan, and a new set of wideouts have a head start, yes. Btw I don't know what nc state football team you watched last year, but our D played above avg for an NC State Squad and if I never have to watch a 45 yd RW prayer again I won't skip a beat. Don't get me wrong he was a big factor in our successes last season, but it's a bit delusional to say he was the only thing winning us games.

5/1/2011 10:46:11 AM

You must be new here saulsey...but what most folks do is just make shit up if it bolsters their argument.

5/1/2011 10:46:27 AM

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"I love football Jesus"

a.k.a. russell wilson

5/1/2011 11:15:38 AM

To all the people who think TOB is retarded/stupid/idiotic etc. This is what TOB said at the last caravan stop. RW wants to play but he may not even be able to because of the rockies. Farm ball goes till september.

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"He said that RW was in a position where he could NOT make a commitment to return this fall, therefore, the decision was simple. Glennon was the QB."

5/1/2011 11:52:42 AM

all i know is that TOB seems pretty fucking confident in Glennon. He usually doesn't say very many outlandish statements, so when he says that MG is as talented, possibly more so, as any QB he has ever had, I at least think there's a strong possibility our offense will be okay.

And I am stoked as hell to have Rashard Smith and Jarvis Byrd come back, those two plus Amerson make for a fine top 3 at the position.

5/1/2011 12:19:43 PM

yeah 3 guys that have never played really

5/1/2011 12:28:14 PM

Glennon was compared to Matt Ryan, so I'm excited

5/1/2011 12:29:57 PM

^^ wut

all three of those guys started as freshman. you clearly have NEVER watched NCSU football

5/1/2011 12:40:35 PM

I am excited to have a QB who can throw 40-50yrd passes. RW always sketched me out when he fell on his back foot looked up at the sky and threw a prayer down field. I'd rather not be in a situation where a bomb is the best option but it will be nice to be confident our qb can comfortably lay the ball out there if need be.

5/1/2011 12:41:29 PM

I know that numerous players have said that Glennon throws a better deep ball anyways and has better touch than Wilson.

I doubt Wilson plays anywhere but if he does...I will pull for him.

Bad situation but I dont blame TOB. The whole team shouldnt have waited and been distracted by Wilsons decision.

5/1/2011 12:46:32 PM

what im excited about re: Glennon is the fact that on obvious blitzing downs and when aggressive D's are showing blitz, we will now (should be able to anyway) have a QB who can take a 1-3 step drop and hit the slot guy on an inside slant for 15-20yrd gains. This alone will keep d's a little more honest. MG's gotta prove it of course, he's gonna be tested until he can start burning D's. But with RW it was practically not an option.

5/1/2011 12:50:02 PM

I, too, will have no issue cheering for RW if he plays elsewhere. He will forever be an NCSU great at the QB position, but if he is able to make a difference elsewhere I will be pulling for him. The dude is a class act, hard not to like.

5/1/2011 12:57:07 PM

without Wilson, OBrien's coaching will show....just like Amato without Rivers, we are going to suck really bad with Glennon getting implanted into the grass time after time after time......wbere Wilson would escape, Glennon will be buried......I expect UNC will easily beat us this season along with any descent team we play.....next season will be even worse and then I expect Yow will fire OBrien, give him two seasons without Wilson to see how much of a coach he really is.....

5/1/2011 2:36:18 PM

Yeah TOB has never been successful before RW.

5/1/2011 2:45:20 PM

Fucking A what a pussy post

How do you guys live with yourselves

5/1/2011 2:45:45 PM

always love threads like these

reminds of who to take seriously on this board and who to ignore

[Edited on May 1, 2011 at 2:52 PM. Reason : "glennon will suck because he won't be able to run like wilson did"]

5/1/2011 2:51:29 PM

I simply don't see how people can be that mad at TOB over this. If RW had come out and said he wanted to play again this fall in a timely manner then I feel like this could've been avoided. He didn't though and TOB had no choice other than to support MG. Let's say TOB allowed RW to come back this fall to 'compete' for the job. Let's say MG wins the competition and RW is standing on the sidelines. Does anyone think that the Rockies, RW, or a large contingent of NCSU fans would like for RW to be wasting his time with a clipboard?

I hope that RW tears it up this summer and the Rockies make him stay. That'd be a perfect to end all speculation on who we let him go to. I mean hell, his baseball season may overlap with the start of football season anyway. I just don't see the Rockies letting him play anywhere this fall. I also hope MG starts out the season on fire with the type of teams we play. With how big our O-Line is this year I feel like having a taller QB like MG is going to pay off for us. We just have to hope the O-Line can block better than they have in the past few seasons.

It was a no-win situation for how this was going to play out the minute he signed a contract with the Rockies and didn't immediately make up his mind for his future at NCSU. I wish him the best, but I feel like a TON of people are over-reacting to this situation.

[Edited on May 1, 2011 at 3:06 PM. Reason : tbdv]

[Edited on May 1, 2011 at 3:08 PM. Reason : again]

5/1/2011 3:05:04 PM

I really don't understand the animosity. You knew Wilson's decision was going to be bittersweet, regardless of whether he stayed or left.

This shit is just pure hate and discontent.

5/1/2011 3:06:22 PM

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"That's why he asked for an open competition this fall."

too bad the competition starts IN THE FUCKING SPRING. oh wait, RW wasn't there for that? FUCK HIM.

Quote :

"You guys will learn once you get into the real world that arbitrary deadlines and loyalty tests are the sign of a poor manager. "

I know. what kind of manager actually asks his people to come in to fucking work? what a stupid fuck.

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"TOB is the one who didn't want a competition."

Really? You've been listening to all of their conversations? wow.

Quote :

"I'll tell you what it's not -- it's saying one guy is going to be the starter no matter what and one guy is going to be on the bench no matter what, months in advance."

Even if said person was told "the competition starts in the spring. if you don't show up you lose"?

5/1/2011 3:16:52 PM

Is there a recent article with what the Rockies have to say about the situation? Or are the terms of his signing bonus being spread out and forfeited if he gets hurt still the same as 2010?

I'd like to see Wilson succeed in baseball but if he chooses to play football and does well, that's fine too. I'll definitely be pulling for him. Anybody that hopes he fails at a different school if he plays football just so we don't "look bad" is being silly.

5/1/2011 3:19:21 PM

Quote :

"without Wilson, OBrien's coaching will show....just like Amato without Rivers, we are going to suck really bad with Glennon getting implanted into the grass time after time after time......wbere Wilson would escape, Glennon will be buried......I expect UNC will easily beat us this season along with any descent team we play.....next season will be even worse and then I expect Yow will fire OBrien, give him two seasons without Wilson to see how much of a coach he really is....."

Amato's strength was defense, TOB's strength is the offensive line. Jesus Christ, actually I'm not even going to argue with your post, there is just so much wrong with it

5/1/2011 4:37:48 PM

^this is a common theme from the idiots bashing TOB

someone compile a list of these moronic users and save it for next season.

5/1/2011 5:08:45 PM

TOB had to tool his O-line around Russell Wilson. A lot of shotgun sets because even if RW could take a 5 step drop, it would take at least 2-3 steps before RW can survey the field and see what's going on.

TOB now gets to tool his O-line around MG, which shouldn't be any different than the system he used with Matt Ryan. It's a system he's familiar with, and based on the fact that the O-line consists of his guys and they were probably tailored pick for this particular system, I expect to see a much better O-line this year. They won't have to be so concerned about creating such a wide pocket. I also expect the running game to be better since the O-line can get a good push before the D realizes we're going to run the ball. Linebackers were more likely to get into the backfield when we kept trying to work that inside draw or a toss sweep to the outside from the shotgun.

Our WRs are radically different. Our playcalling will be radically different. Our system will probably be a 180 of what RW was used to. TOB said that MG was going to be his guy. Great. I think TOB would have had enough sense to go with RW instead of MG if he was clearly the better guy. But would RW thrive in a system that's not tailored for him? I'm skeptical. Would he be clearly better than MG? Did TOB really want to go through the process of getting his guys to learn two different systems, one for RW and one for MG? I think RW could see that it was going to be difficult to earn his starting job based on what was in front of him.

If he wanted any chance of being able to be seen as a legitimate football prospect, he'd have to play in a system that played to his strengths, which TOB's new system does not. From a career perspective, this was the only thing he could do.

5/1/2011 5:26:33 PM

reading this thread has been like trying to get through an aaronburro soap box argument

5/1/2011 5:46:48 PM

RW's dream (according to the bio on his website) was to be an NFL quarterback and a MLB second base man.

If he came back to NCSU and sat on the bench, there's no way he would be drafted. I'm sure TOB would have been fine bringing him back as a secondary and potential starter if he performed well, and I'm sure RW would have been fine coming back to NCSU if it weren't for the fact that he would have literally no draft stock if he didn't start. He said himself that he loved our school.

But if he does want to play at the next level he has to go find a starting job and perform, so this was his only option.

5/1/2011 5:46:55 PM

base, man.

5/1/2011 5:54:25 PM

People are going feel stupid when Mikey Ice sets season records.

Still sad to see Wilson leave. He was a dynamic player. Best of luck to him.

5/1/2011 6:15:53 PM

I don't expect MG to come out guns ablazing having ridden the pine the last 3 seasons and we have new receivers. Our schedule is weak this year which makes this the perfect time to make the changes we did without being blown out by a tougher schedule if the learning curve takes a little longer. I have my highest expectations set for the next season.

5/1/2011 6:29:39 PM

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"Mikey Ice"

oh god

5/1/2011 6:34:17 PM

Guys lets not make this as bad as the NC State basketball/Sidney Lowe thing.

TOB is done here. There's nothing more to see. He's failed in spectacular proportions.

He just kicked off the one player that's kept him employed the last three seasons in favor of a guy who looks like a giraffe and hasnt completed 3 passes yet.

We all get that.

There's no reason to beat in into the ground. We're done being competitive in football too. We get it.

#86 ranked recruiting class in the nation. fucking sweet.

[Edited on May 1, 2011 at 6:51 PM. Reason : a]

5/1/2011 6:47:56 PM

Tell em Martin

5/1/2011 6:51:10 PM

hahahahaha martin

i used to think rally knew what he was talking about

but between the sidney lowe love affair and now this, i just skip right over his posts

5/1/2011 6:56:56 PM

theres gotta be more to this than has been made public

I cant believe they would give him a release without at least including a clause that he doesnt play for an ACC school - or any other university nearby. Hopefully he has a so-so season for a west coast team and thats that.

I am more worried about this becoming poison for our team than our fanbase...

5/1/2011 7:15:52 PM

do you even read the fucking news? The release specifically said he can't play for an ACC team, dipshit

5/1/2011 7:28:45 PM