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"Yes, we know that now. But at the time Zimmerman assumed he was chasing a criminal who had been in the neighborhood and was trying to get away"

still not his job. That is irresponsible to have no professional training and then chase someone down while carrying a gun. He could have gotten in a fight and had the gun discharge into a passerby.... and any other iteration of that story is why people who have guns should think and act responsibly, YOU ARE NOT A COP YOU CANNOT CHASE SOMEONE ON FOOT WITH A GUN and not expect there to be consequences, huge ones.

3/22/2012 3:42:12 PM

^^Well everyone else is assuming to know what he did, so so can I.


I am just showing what logically might have happened from his perspective.

Everyone seems to just be focused on "OMG he just chased that kid down and shot him for no reason"

Instead of sitting back and thinking about what might have happened to cause him to do that.

3/22/2012 3:42:36 PM

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"still not his job. That is irresponsible to have no professional training and then chase someone down while carrying a gun. He could have gotten in a fight and had the gun discharge into a passerby.... and any other iteration of that story is why people who have guns should think and act responsibly, YOU ARE NOT A COP YOU CANNOT CHASE SOMEONE ON FOOT WITH A GUN and not expect there to be consequences, huge ones. "

His job? Nope
Irresponsible? Perhaps

As the owner of a concealed weapons permit, he has every right legally to chase that person down with or without his gun.

Lets assume that Trayvon has been a murderer and had just killed an entire family, and Zimmerman stopped him from getting away.

None of these things would even be an issue regarding the "omg he cant just chase after someone" bullshit.

He would be a fucking hero.

And according to the law in Florida, he also has the right to use deadly force to protect himself.

[Edited on March 22, 2012 at 3:46 PM. Reason : .]

3/22/2012 3:44:55 PM

he was probably just pissed at the wide nostriled negro breathing all the half mexican half white mans air

3/22/2012 3:45:43 PM

there is a protocol that law enforcement follows when they see a potential threat, one of those being that he has a uniform on. If the kid ran from a uniformed officer, and then wrestled with the officer, I could see why he felt like it was necessary to chase him.

Also that is why taxpayers pay for cops, not people like Zimmerman.

I see your point that everyone is assuming things (like the Casey Anthony case), but this case actually has enough evidence imo, to land at least 2nd degree if not more.

3/22/2012 3:46:01 PM

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"but this case actually has enough evidence imo, to land at least 2nd degree if not more."

And what evidence is that?

3/22/2012 3:47:17 PM

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"there is a protocol that law enforcement follows when they see a potential threat, one of those being that he has a uniform on."

Oh really? So undercover officers and off duty cops never get involved with anything?

3/22/2012 3:48:01 PM

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"As the owner of a concealed weapons permit, he has every right legally to chase that person down with or without his gun. "

I'm not all that sure about that.

3/22/2012 3:49:04 PM

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"Everyone seems to just be focused on "OMG he just chased that kid down and shot him for no reason" Instead of sitting back and thinking about what might have happened to cause him to do that."

Regardless of what caused him to do that, if he instigated the situation, he should face whatever consequences arise. Just because he may have been confused doesn't excuse him from what happened.

3/22/2012 3:50:37 PM

^^^^Well a confession and an unarmed dead body, and multiple witnesses and 911 calls. More evidence than most murder cases. Way more. And all with a very high likelihood of being admissible.

[Edited on March 22, 2012 at 3:51 PM. Reason : ]

3/22/2012 3:50:48 PM

tacolu is squeezing this and trying to get every last ounce out

don't fall for it

3/22/2012 3:50:56 PM

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"His job? Nope Irresponsible? Perhaps As the owner of a concealed weapons permit, he has every right legally to chase that person down with or without his gun. Lets assume that Trayvon has been a murderer and had just killed an entire family, and Zimmerman stopped him from getting away. None of these things would even be an issue regarding the "omg he cant just chase after someone" bullshit. He would be a fucking hero. And according to the law in Florida, he also has the right to use deadly force to protect himself."

yep, and you know who else are irresponsible heroes? people who place drunk drivers under arrest, regardless of what the drunk driver did, if he gets injured or killed the citizen hero is responsible for causing that.

So if he was running away from that supposed murder he just finished, give the description to the fucking cops, tell them which way he went. Do NOT get out of your fucking car, it is none of your business what people are doing if they are just fucking walking down the street.

3/22/2012 3:52:08 PM

3/22/2012 3:52:12 PM

How did he instigate the situation?

He was following Trayvon while on the phone with 911 because he appeared to be acting suspicious.

Trayvon took off running which is even more suspicious.

Honestly, you could say that Trayvon instigated it by running.

Zimmerman chased him down trying to keep a criminal from getting away.

At some point, while chasing what he presumed to be a criminal, Zimmerman felt the need to use deadly force to protect himself.

What is so unreasonable about any of that?

3/22/2012 3:54:16 PM

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"And as I posted, with the rash of crime in the neighborhood he thought it was a criminal, and given that he started to flee the scene, he has the right to chase after him."

no. he fuck DOESN'T have the right to chase after any random guy he sees on the street. get that through your thick skull before you post anything else on the topic!

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"Yes, we know that now. But at the time Zimmerman assumed he was chasing a criminal who had been in the neighborhood and was trying to get away."

And that still doesn't matter. Is Zimmerman a policeman on duty? No? THEN HE SHOULDN'T BE FUCKING CHASING PEOPLE HE THINKS ARE CRIMINALS. That's it. End of story!

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"What part of that is unreasonable?"

The part that you didn't mention: that he thought the guy in a hoodie was suspicious only because he was black.

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"Everyone seems to just be focused on "OMG he just chased that kid down and shot him for no reason""

and you seem to be ignoring that he DID chase him down for no reason.

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"As the owner of a concealed weapons permit, he has every right legally to chase that person down with or without his gun."

what in the fuck are you smoking? Where in the fuck does a CWP say that you now have the right to be a vigilante lawman? Seriously, show me that verbiage in the permit. I wanna see it! Cause, last time I checked, a CWP says "you can carry a concealed weapon".

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"How did he instigate the situation?"

BY FOLLOWING THE FUCKING KID IN HIS CAR FOR NO GOD DAMNED REASON!!

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"Honestly, you could say that Trayvon instigated it by running."

and a woman instigates a rape by saying "no"

[Edited on March 22, 2012 at 3:57 PM. Reason : ]

3/22/2012 3:55:49 PM

Flight itself, in the police realm, IS NOT grounds for detaining someone absent certain factors.

3/22/2012 3:56:08 PM

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"tacolu is squeezing this and trying to get every last ounce out don't fall for it "

Fall for what?

Apparently you think I am trolling when I am being dead serious.

Everyone seems to be focusing on an unarmed kid who got shot for no apparent reason and not looking at what could have happened.

Seriously, like I said, some of you are acting like Zimmerman just rolled up on the kid, got out of his car, and shot him dead for no reason.

3/22/2012 3:56:24 PM

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"Honestly, you could say that Trayvon instigated it by running."

I don't give a shit what you say, if some motherfucker I don't know is following me, I'm going to get the fuck away from him (at least to an area with a lot of people).

3/22/2012 3:56:29 PM

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"Seriously, like I said, some of you are acting like Zimmerman just rolled up on the kid, got out of his car, and shot him dead for no reason."

maybe, but Zimmerman DID follow a kid for no reason. you are COMPLETELY ignoring that part.

3/22/2012 3:58:22 PM

Like guys...

what if I just SHOT this person randomly on the street and they died

but then it turned out that person was LITERALLY hitler!

Then I wouldn't be a murder, I'd be a hero!

3/22/2012 3:59:58 PM

i mean, i guess i could walk by everyone in the brickyard, pick some guy and try to restrain him and rough him up because I was student patrol and they probably broke the law today.

3/22/2012 4:00:19 PM

self-appointed student patrol

3/22/2012 4:03:31 PM

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"no. he fuck DOESN'T have the right to chase after any random guy he sees on the street. get that through your thick skull before you post anything else on the topic!"

Show me where it's illegal to chase someone who starts to flee from you.

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"And that still doesn't matter. Is Zimmerman a policeman on duty? No? THEN HE SHOULDN'T BE FUCKING CHASING PEOPLE HE THINKS ARE CRIMINALS. That's it. End of story!"

He has every right to. Let me ask you this.

Someone keeps breaking into your house and raping your wife and daughter.
They keep getting away with it.
One night you are coming home, and see someone suspicious walking near your house, you slow down, call the cops, and follow behind armed with your gun. They take off running.

You aren't gonna chase after them after they have been getting away from the cops for weeks?

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"The part that you didn't mention: that he thought the guy in a hoodie was suspicious only because he was black. "

If I'm in my car, and I am in my neighborhood and there is someone, anyone walking in the rain in a hoodie, I am going to think that is a little suspicious, especially if there has been a recent crime wave in the neighborhood.

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"and you seem to be ignoring that he DID chase him down for no reason."

Yes, we know that now, but once again, at the time, Zimmerman thought he was chasing down a criminal.

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"what in the fuck are you smoking? Where in the fuck does a CWP say that you now have the right to be a vigilante lawman? Seriously, show me that verbiage in the permit. I wanna see it! Cause, last time I checked, a CWP says "you can carry a concealed weapon". "

If I have a CWP I am allowed to carry my pistol. So, when I decided to chase after someone who has decided to flee for no apparent reason, if I have my pistol on me, it is totally legal.

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"BY FOLLOWING THE FUCKING KID IN HIS CAR FOR NO GOD DAMNED REASON!!"

No reason? So following someone in the pouring rain that is acting suspicious while on the phone with the cops is instigating something?

3/22/2012 4:03:46 PM

damn right

i mean knowing my opinion on stoners, imagine me throwing some young guy to the ground and searching his shit just because he looks like a young punk.

if i found rocks i would be a hero

3/22/2012 4:05:00 PM

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"Show me where it's illegal to chase someone who starts to flee from you."

Assault: an intentional act by one person that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent harmful or offensive contact.

3/22/2012 4:05:22 PM

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"Flight itself, in the police realm, IS NOT grounds for detaining someone absent certain factors."

While legal or not, I've seen it happen on COPS a multitude of times.

Cops will be rolling through a neighborhood, come up on a group of people hanging out on the street just chillin and one decides to just take off and run, so the cops chase him down.

If that had been an unmarked police office patrolling the neighborhood that night, and they had seen Trayvon instead of Zimmerman,and they are rolling up behind him slow to see whats going on and Trayvon just takes off running do you seriously think they wouldn't have chased after him too?

3/22/2012 4:06:32 PM

It is not a crime to run
It is not a crime to run away from strangers... In fact, common sense would encourage this.
Way to blame the victim.

3/22/2012 4:07:16 PM

all on all, this is a fucked up story

i cant see how this is defensible. at the same time i dont understand why a police chief would ave to step down. They can still arrest this guy

and he needs to be arrested. He escalated the force by producing a gun

^^i think thats fine because it is a police officer, thats their job to chase those guys if they choose because it gives a reasonable doubt. This retarded citizen had no grounds, if he wants to be a cop, let him produce a clean record, graduate the academy, and qualify to become law enforcement like the guys on COPS did and swear in to serve the law

if he doesnt want to he should sit has fat ass down and call the police like a good citizen. Makes me sick to see young black men get cut down for no reason by a grown punk with a chip on his shoulder that gets to lead a community meeting once a month.

[Edited on March 22, 2012 at 4:10 PM. Reason : g]

3/22/2012 4:07:19 PM

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"Let me ask you this."

No, let me ask YOU this.

You're walking down the street, listening to your ipod. You notice a car slow down and slowly begin to follow you. You get a bit paranoid, so you start walking faster because you don't know what's going on. The car keeps right behind you. You look behind you and give the person a weird look because.. what the hell are they doing? You see them staring you down. What the hell is going on? Is this intimidation or something? You turn a street, they follow you. They pull up next to you and the door opens. A guy jumps out. What the hell? Is he going to attack you? Is he going to kidnap you? What the fuck... he has a gun! Oh shit. He's yelling something at you but you're so scared and your flight or fight instinct kicks in. You run. He chases you. You've never been this afraid in your life. He jumps on you. You fight for your life. You hear a loud noise. You feel the hot burning as the bullet hits your chest. Suddenly you can't breathe. You're going faint. What.. what happened?

3/22/2012 4:09:03 PM

But he might have produced the gun because he felt threatened for whatever reason.

We don't know for sure.

Like I said, Trayvon could have been reaching for his cell phone during the struggle, and Zimmerman, in the rain and confusion, thought it was a gun and shot Trayvon to protect himself.

We will never know exactly what happened.

Its just a fucked up situation.

There really is no solid evidence either way of what did or didn't happen once the fight broke out.

3/22/2012 4:09:34 PM

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"and he needs to be arrested. He escalated the force by producing a gun"

Which would be why he has an imperfect self defense claim. He still gets to claim self defense, but the fact that he escalated, as well as that it was unreasonable, means that he doesn't get off scott free, and they may throw out the defense all together. You can't bring a gun into the fray, and call it self defense.

"In some jurisdictions, the successful invocation of such a defense reduces a murder charge to manslaughter. Most jurisdictions do not recognize imperfect self-defense."

[Edited on March 22, 2012 at 4:10 PM. Reason : ]

3/22/2012 4:10:06 PM

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"Show me where it's illegal to chase someone who starts to flee from you."

show me where it's legal to be a policeman without actually being a policeman.

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"He has every right to. Let me ask you this."

No. HE DOESN'T! HE'S NOT A FUCKING POLICEMAN!!! Now, he can go out and be a vigilante lawman, that's fine, but he damned well be ready to face the consequences if and when he fucks up.

As for your stupid little story, here's what I do. If the fucker is in my yard, looking around, then I roll up, tell the fucker to get lost, and then call the cops. THAT'S ALL I DO. I don't chase him down, because that's not my job. What you are saying is that you can declare someone as "suspicious" for whatever reason, and then do whatever the fuck you want. that's absurd.

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"If I'm in my car, and I am in my neighborhood and there is someone, anyone walking in the rain in a hoodie, I am going to think that is a little suspicious, especially if there has been a recent crime wave in the neighborhood."

What, specifically, is suspicious about someone wearing a hoodie? Go ahead, say it. It means they're probably black. Just say it, dude. Do you think that maybe Trayvon left before it started raining, and then, on his way back, it started raining, so he, OMFG, put his hood up to cover his head to keep it from getting wet? Is that a possible logical explanation?

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"Yes, we know that now, but once again, at the time, Zimmerman thought he was chasing down a criminal."

I don't give a fuck if he thought he was chasing god damn leprechauns! Zimmerman is NOT a fucking cop, he has ZERO AUTHORITY to chase down criminals. not. his. fucking. job. So when he does it, and fucks up, he faces the consequences, because he was doing something he shouldn't have been doing. why is this so hard for you to comprehend?

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"No reason? So following someone in the pouring rain that is acting suspicious while on the phone with the cops is instigating something?"

again, tell me what was suspicious. tell me. what, specifically, was suspicious? now it's illegal or "suspicious" to be walking? or is it the part where he was talking on the phone? was it the skittles? the tea? or was it because the kid was black?

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"Cops will be rolling through a neighborhood, come up on a group of people hanging out on the street just chillin and one decides to just take off and run, so the cops chase him down. If that had been an unmarked police office patrolling the neighborhood that night, and they had seen Trayvon instead of Zimmerman,and they are rolling up behind him slow to see whats going on and Trayvon just takes off running do you seriously think they wouldn't have chased after him too?"

is Zimmerman a cop? No? THEN IT'S NOT HIS GOD DAMNED JOB TO CHASE CRIMINALS!!!

[Edited on March 22, 2012 at 4:14 PM. Reason : ]

3/22/2012 4:11:17 PM

^^^doesnt matter

if im in a fight and a guy grabs me but i ESCALATE THE FORCE by choking him unconscious, I am the one that will be charged. because at that point i am taking his life, when he threatened me by...grabbing me.

[Edited on March 22, 2012 at 4:12 PM. Reason : r]

3/22/2012 4:11:53 PM

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"But he might have produced the gun because he felt threatened for whatever reason. We don't know for sure. Like I said, Trayvon could have been reaching for his cell phone during the struggle, and Zimmerman, in the rain and confusion, thought it was a gun and shot Trayvon to protect himself. We will never know exactly what happened. Its just a fucked up situation. There really is no solid evidence either way of what did or didn't happen once the fight broke out."

None of that matters, because the original reason Zimmerman was stalking Trayvon in the first place is because he was a "scary thug black kid" walking through the neighborhood, and Zimmerman was a self-appointed community watch guy with a hard-on for being Charles Bronson.

3/22/2012 4:12:17 PM

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"No, let me ask YOU this. You're walking down the street, listening to your ipod. You notice a car slow down and slowly begin to follow you. You get a bit paranoid, so you start walking faster because you don't know what's going on. The car keeps right behind you. You look behind you and give the person a weird look because.. what the hell are they doing? You see them staring you down. What the hell is going on? Is this intimidation or something? You turn a street, they follow you. They pull up next to you and the door opens. A guy jumps out. What the hell? Is he going to attack you? Is he going to kidnap you? What the fuck... he has a gun! Oh shit. He's yelling something at you but you're so scared and your flight or fight instinct kicks in. You run. He chases you. You've never been this afraid in your life. He jumps on you. You fight for your life. You hear a loud noise. You feel the hot burning as the bullet hits your chest. Suddenly you can't breathe. You're going faint. What.. what happened?"

In that case, yes, but thats not what happened in this case and we have facts and a phone recording to prove it.

Like I said earlier, if I lived in a gated community, which Trayvon did, and a car comes up behind me, my first reaction isn't going to be to run. Its going to be to see what one of my neighbors wants. Zimmerman didn't just roll up on the kid, stop, and hop out with his gun, and then the kid took off running and Zimmerman chased him.

Zimmerman was following him in his car, while on the phone with 911, at some point Trayvon decides to take off running to which Zimmerman gets out of his car with his gun and chases after what he thinks is one of the many criminals responsible for the recent crime wave. Tired of them always getting away he decides to take matters into his own hands and try and catch the criminal until cops arrive.

3/22/2012 4:15:25 PM

COPS should be your reference for what the police do.

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"do you seriously think they wouldn't have chased after him too?"

And charge them for what? Running on a sidewalk?

3/22/2012 4:16:31 PM

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"Zimmerman was following him in his car, while on the phone with 911, at some point Trayvon decides to take off running to which Zimmerman gets out of his car with his gun and chases after what he thinks is one of the many criminals responsible for the recent crime wave. Tired of them always getting away he decides to take matters into his own hands and try and catch the criminal until cops arrive. "

youve been watching too much gay ass SPIKE movies

3/22/2012 4:17:28 PM

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"What, specifically, is suspicious about someone wearing a hoodie? Go ahead, say it. It means they're probably black. Just say it, dude. Do you think that maybe Trayvon left before it started raining, and then, on his way back, it started raining, so he, OMFG, put his hood up to cover his head to keep it from getting wet? Is that a possible logical explanation?"

So you live in a neighborhood where there has been a recent crime wave, tons of break-ins, robberies etc...Which is what was happening in this neighborhood.

So, you are the community watch leader and are out on patrol on a rainy night.

You see someone in a hoodie walking in the rain at night.

You, as the community watch leader, would not think at all that this person was suspicious given the weather conditions and the recent crime wave in the neighborhood?

3/22/2012 4:19:04 PM

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"In that case, yes, but thats not what happened in this case and we have facts and a phone recording to prove it."

really? we have a phone recording showing that Trayvon Martin was breaking into houses and shit, now? really? Because, as I see it, what God posted is EXACTLY what fucking happened.

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"Zimmerman didn't just roll up on the kid, stop, and hop out with his gun, and then the kid took off running and Zimmerman chased him. "

No, instead he tailed the kid for a little while, making the kid more paranoid. you act like Zimmerman just pulled up behind the kid at a stop light instead of following him. If somebody who knows me is behind me in a car and wants to get my attention or say "hey," you know what they do? they honk the horn. they roll down the window and say "hey, Bryan, what's up!" they don't follow behind me slowly for a couple blocks and not do anything.

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"and chases after what he thinks is one of the many criminals responsible for the recent crime wave"

and why did he think he was a criminal? hmmmm?

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"So, you are the community watch leader and are out on patrol on a rainy night."

ON PATROL? what the fuck? oh, and SELF-APPOINTED community watch leader. with zero training. I might think it's suspicious, given my own prejudices, but then I realize it's raining, which means that putting something over your head is a reasonable thing to do.

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"So you live in a neighborhood where there has been a recent crime wave, tons of break-ins, robberies etc...Which is what was happening in this neighborhood."

really? the kid is doing this whole spate of crimes, without a car, and just meandering around in the rain? really? you've gone off the deep end at this point. this is why we have policemen and not vigilante justice. this exact situation is exactly why we hire and train policemen.

[Edited on March 22, 2012 at 4:24 PM. Reason : ]

3/22/2012 4:20:21 PM

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"COPS should be your reference for what the police do. Quote : "do you seriously think they wouldn't have chased after him too?" And charge them for what? Running on a sidewalk?"

Well considering its a show where they follow cops around and film what they do, yes, I would say its a pretty good reference.

Next time the cops roll up on you or your friends doing whatever it is you do, take off running and see if they chase after you.

3/22/2012 4:20:25 PM

^^^most normal motherfuckers might keep an eye on the guy or go stand out on the porch and make themselves visible, i agree we can act like we dont have our prejudices and weve all done this when we see someone that seems out of place

but we should all be humble enough to know that we might be wrong and that we dont want to go out and cause unnecessary conflict.

we dont get our straps and approach some guy we dont fuckin know

^if the police didnt chase us if we ran then they arent doing their jobs and id wonder what the fuck we are paying them for

[Edited on March 22, 2012 at 4:23 PM. Reason : e]

3/22/2012 4:21:25 PM

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"most normal motherfuckers might keep an eye on the guy or go stand out on the porch and make themselvs visible, i agree we can act like we dont have our prejudices but we should all be humble enough to know that we might be wrong and that we dont want to go out and cause unnecessary conflict."

see craw we do agree every once in a while

3/22/2012 4:23:12 PM

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"Well considering its a show where they follow cops around and film what they do, yes, I would say its a pretty good reference. Next time the cops roll up on you or your friends doing whatever it is you do, take off running and see if they chase after you."

I'll be the one doing the chasing thanks.

3/22/2012 4:24:49 PM

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"Well considering its a show where they follow cops around and film what they do, yes, I would say its a pretty good reference. "

you didn't get his point. COPS is a reference for what police should do, NOT for what non-police should do. make sense now?

3/22/2012 4:25:47 PM

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"It's also not illegal. And as I posted, with the rash of crime in the neighborhood he thought it was a criminal, and given that he started to flee the scene, he has the right to chase after him."

haha. so if trayvon had a gun, could he shoot the person who started chasing him for no reason?

3/22/2012 4:29:40 PM

Seriously, did you even go to college Tac? You sound like one of those dipshits on websleuths.

[Edited on March 22, 2012 at 4:31 PM. Reason : ...]

3/22/2012 4:31:00 PM

he's wearing a hoodie! a raincoat of sorts. IN THE RAIN!!! WHAT IS HE TRYING TO HIDE?

[Edited on March 22, 2012 at 4:32 PM. Reason : ]

3/22/2012 4:31:48 PM

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"really? we have a phone recording showing that Trayvon Martin was breaking into houses and shit, now? really? Because, as I see it, what God posted is EXACTLY what fucking happened."

No we have a phone recording of Zimmerman describing whats going on and what he is doing at the time, let me listen to it and describe what is happening in it, now mind you, this recording would more than likely be admissable in court as evidence, so lets both agree that what he is saying is whats happening.

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"Zimmerman is on patrol, sees someone suspicious given the circumstances I listed, and Zimmerman even repeats it. We've had some breakins, I see someone suspicious and up to no good. He is walking about in the rain. The dispatcher asks what he looks like and what he is wearing, Zimmerman responds black and wearing a hoodie. Notice he just didn't come out and say " I see some nigger in the neighborhood wearing a hoodie. He answered the dispatchers question of the description. Then he says Trayvon is walking around staring at houses and now that Trayvon is staring at him and starts to come towards him. He says he has his hands in his waist band. Trayvon comes to check him out and Zimmerman says he has something in his hands. At this point Zimmerman is still in his car frustrated that the criminals in the neighborhood have been getting away and mentions this to the dispatcher. He gives directions to the dispatcher. While doing this, he says "shit he's running" Then you hear his car door open and he starts to go looking for him. You can hear the wind while Zimmerman is looking for the subject, I would not say at this point he is chasing him, he is just trying to keep an eye on him till the cops get there so he doesn't get away. He is calm on the phone and has no idea where the subject is at this point, talking to the dispatcher while giving the address. He even states, I dont know where this kid is. The kid flees, and Zimmerman goes looking for him, it is hardly a chase at this point. Then after giving his address again they end the call."

Now there is a void between where this call ends and the other 911 call begins from one of the neighbors where we hear someone yelling. Zimmerman or Trayvon, we do not know, but something happened, whether it was Trayvon attacking Zimmerman, or Zimmerman attacking Trayvon.

There is at this point, no evidence to support either really, all we know is there was a struggle and someone was shot.

Lets say Zimmerman was just following Trayvon to keep an eye on him to see where he was going so he could let the cops know, he even tells the dispatcher to give the cops his number so they can call him when they get there and he can let them know where he was at.

So what point of all this is that unreasonable?

3/22/2012 4:34:15 PM

Did you not see my post about how assault is a crime? And chasing someone could be assault? You can't just go chasing random people.

3/22/2012 4:35:41 PM

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"haha. so if trayvon had a gun, could he shoot the person who started chasing him for no reason?"

According to Florida law, and he felt threatened for his life, yes.

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"Did you not see my post about how assault is a crime? And chasing someone could be assault? You can't just go chasing random people."

Honestly, listening to that recording again, it sounds more like Zimmerman was just trying to keep an eye on where the kid was going to let the cops know. Like I mentioned above, he even gives the dispatcher his # to give to the cops so they can call him and he can inform them of where he is., It doesn't sound like much of a chase especially since Zimmerman even comments that he has no idea where the kid is and wants to keep his voice low and not give out his address.

Following a suspect to keep an eye on their location is not the definition of assault

It is entirely plausible that Zimmerman was attacked by Trayvon and defended himself and there really isn't much evidence to counter that or vice versa.

[Edited on March 22, 2012 at 4:39 PM. Reason : .]

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3/22/2012 4:37:29 PM