Please make sure you say nice things about him first

3/9/2025 2:23:22 PM

Musk is a Neo-neoNazi

3/9/2025 3:12:34 PM

I honestly don't think Musk is a neo Nazi/Nazi, but I think he loves people thinking he's one....which feels worse.

3/9/2025 3:17:58 PM

^
Thats possibly true, but there’s no functional difference when you’re the co-president and are constantly espousing these views to a billion people

But I do think musk genuinely is a white supremacist in his heart. He manifests this in his own unique way that is implicitly adjacent to standard Neo Nazi ideology

3/9/2025 3:24:43 PM

I definitely agree that it doesn't make any functional difference.

3/9/2025 4:06:17 PM

bump

3/10/2025 1:02:23 PM

Guess all the tech debt finally came back to bite him

3/10/2025 1:06:22 PM

Gee, but don't forget to give Elon his credit before criticizing him.

3/10/2025 8:11:12 PM

Back in my tesla fan boy days

https://www.brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=644200&page=7#16276654

lol at this from noen though

Quote :

" Unlike "lots of other execs", Elon Musk doesn't give two shits about amassing a personal fortune nor does he have the egocentric narcissism so common among chief executives. "

3/10/2025 10:59:06 PM

remember when that dork was touting the capabilities of Grok?

3/11/2025 8:54:46 PM

Joe Biden wouldn't let him film a Tesla commercial in front of the white house, so what other choice did he have???

3/11/2025 10:47:58 PM

Won't someone think of all the good stuff he's done though??

3/11/2025 10:56:24 PM

POTUS has been reduced to a car salesman. I swear to God this couldn’t get any closer to Idiocracy.

3/12/2025 1:33:34 AM

Who ever thought "Republicans" would be shilling for electric cars?

3/12/2025 6:46:54 AM

^sorry, i just posted this in the DT thread:

https://www.npr.org/2025/03/12/nx-s1-5310006/trump-government-electric-vehicles-gsa-evg

Quote :

"Memos obtained by NPR show a key federal agency has paused orders of zero-emission vehicles and some federally owned EV chargers will be turned off."

[quote]

3/12/2025 9:30:46 AM

Quote :

"remember when that dork was touting the capabilities of Grok?"

Don't take a nerds word for it.

https://polymarket.com/event/which-company-has-best-ai-model-end-of-march/will-deepseek-have-the-top-ai-model-on-march-31

Or you could do your own tests, or pay $200 a month for the OpenAI version of deep research to compare.

3/12/2025 11:18:53 AM

Don't take a nerd's word for it -- take the collective word of degenerate gamblers instead!

3/12/2025 7:02:37 PM

But remember! Say nice things about him first!

3/13/2025 7:42:20 AM

This is one of Elon's many hilarious jokes. So glad that comedy is legal again!

I'm excited to see him at an upcoming open mic night.

3/13/2025 8:21:22 AM

Not totally sure the best place for this is the argument was had and Democratic thread here's another poll about elon's popularity. Hes in line with Trump but the less engaged, less educated folks have a lower opinion, at least on the republican side. Which disputes Q's claim imo.

https://navigatorresearch.org/americans-view-tech-ceo-influence-in-the-trump-administration-as-a-negative/

A cnn poll shows that independents are also quite negative on him
https://thehill.com/homenews/5190503-elon-musk-experience-judgement-cnn-poll/amp/

3/13/2025 11:53:42 AM

Well, yeah. Because as a political entity, he sucks.

3/13/2025 12:07:36 PM

Yea i don't think we'll see any polls that say "as a businessman/scientist/engineer only, what is your opinion of elon musk"

But that image disputes, imo, that elon is more popular among the common man, the demo Q claims we'll lose if we aren't nice to Elon.

3/13/2025 12:12:14 PM

https://www.cjr.org/tow_center/we-compared-eight-ai-search-engines-theyre-all-bad-at-citing-news.php

Quote :

"AI Search Has A Citation Problem We Compared Eight AI Search Engines. They’re All Bad at Citing News."

Quote :

"60% of questions asked to AI chatbots are answered wrong. Grok, Twitter's AI bot, answered questions wrong 94% of the time."

https://bsky.app/profile/bencollins.bsky.social/post/3lkbi53gvyc2w

[Edited on March 13, 2025 at 12:14 PM. Reason : .]

3/13/2025 12:14:02 PM

^^Thanks. I'll cop to not having kept up with all the latest Q-drops.

^But it did save Cael $3000. So there's that.

3/13/2025 12:51:34 PM

Im referencing the long argument in the Dem credibility thread, you took part in that argument I think (using my name in vain )

3/13/2025 1:00:52 PM

Oh, sorrry. I didn't recognize that in this context Q was referring to qntmfred. It must be the CTE. I thought it was a pretty good name drop, TBH.

3/13/2025 1:14:50 PM

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/03/15/opinion/foreign-aid-cuts-impact.html?unlocked_article_code=1.4E4.H8Lx.GD39rucUfloD&smid=url-share

Oh look, some people have already died because of the cuts to foreign aid.

3/15/2025 8:46:10 AM

Hey qntmfred, is it still hysteria? Or maybe you're simply going to say these lives don't count because they're not American?

3/15/2025 8:50:24 AM

Those dots are pretty sobering, but by far the biggest problem is you didn't say something nice about Elon first.

3/15/2025 9:16:13 AM

Quote :

"Hey qntmfred, is it still hysteria? Or maybe you're simply going to say these lives don't count because they're not American? "

I doubt he would say the lives don't count. When addressing articles like these here is how to read them critically:

First, you'd look at how many people die in a given year with aid and compare it to without aid. Then you'd ask questions like, "why do so many people in Africa seem to contract aids compared to other areas of the world?" Then when you get a real number of the difference and impact aid makes you'd ask questions like, "could this money be used in better ways to prevent the aids? do we have the money to spend? are there other people, perhaps that don't practice sand in vagina sex, that the money would be better spent on." Hopefully you could establish an actual causal link with expert counterpoints addressed that helps establish causation. Does the article establish a clear causal link between the aid cuts and the reported deaths, or could other factors (e.g., local mismanagement, pre-existing systemic issues) also be at play?

Second, you'd look at the language and stories in the article and determine if the language is biased or if it paints an emotional appeal. The article uses emotive language (children starving to death, odious, picture of malnourished kids) instead of rational discourse of the impact and trade-offs of aid. Given that the article and infographics are 100% emotive and there are zero counterpoints you can assume they are more interested in manipulating you than discussing the impact of the aid cuts.

[Edited on March 15, 2025 at 10:14 AM. Reason : a]

3/15/2025 10:10:58 AM

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(23)01723-3/fulltext

3/15/2025 10:17:28 AM

^ why did you post an analysis from 2023 about a policy from 2025? Are you claiming that is the base line? Or that it's already gotten worse?

[Edited on March 15, 2025 at 12:03 PM. Reason : A]

3/15/2025 11:59:33 AM

I'm sure you can figure it out

3/15/2025 12:04:38 PM

I figured it out. They are brown people.

3/15/2025 1:51:08 PM

Quote :

" The article uses emotive language (children starving to death, odious, picture of malnourished kids) instead of rational discourse of the impact and trade-offs of aid"

what the fuck is wrong with you, man?

3/15/2025 2:09:48 PM

^ before the Matrix swallowed you you probably used to understand how to talk about things objectively. Maybe it's been too long since you took a Philosophy course?

Or maybe your job or life has never had to deal with hard trade offs and choosing between bad and less bad?

[Edited on March 15, 2025 at 2:31 PM. Reason : A]

3/15/2025 2:30:37 PM

Man, you and qntmfred must have fun on that island of yours.

Between just sealioning around and your trolling statements, you're just a ton of fun.

3/15/2025 2:47:03 PM

please, tell me more about pictures being used “instead of rational discourse of the impact and trade-offs of aid"

3/15/2025 6:30:19 PM

^ yes propaganda is how you influence. Intellectuals debate things rationally and propaganda masters disseminate the narratives to sway the public. Sometimes the propaganda supports good causes in this country on solid and noble foundations. Other times it supports a corrupt and bankrupt regime trying to send printed money abroad. Money it doesn't have, so it can be laundered for the politically connected.

[Edited on March 15, 2025 at 7:07 PM. Reason : A]

3/15/2025 7:06:13 PM

do intellectuals routinely ask ChatGPT to write arguments for them?

3/15/2025 7:10:27 PM

^^Do you ever take a clear policy position on anything, or do you just both sides it and stir up shit?

3/15/2025 7:39:34 PM

^ yes, but when people post obvious bullshit and propaganda I focus on that. Even if it's for a perceived good cause or moral panic.

3/15/2025 8:34:38 PM

probably just a coincidence that Musk’s new favorite buzzword is also propaganda

3/15/2025 8:37:18 PM

I have read about 20 books on it since 2000, and most in the last 10 years. Here is ChatGPT summary of my favorites!

Quote :

"Here is a list of the authors of the mentioned books, along with insights into their political leanings and the themes of their works: 1. "Trust Me, I'm Lying: Confessions of a Media Manipulator" Author: Ryan Holiday Political Leanings: Holiday's work primarily critiques modern media practices rather than promoting a specific political ideology. Book Theme: The book exposes how online media can be manipulated, drawing from Holiday's experiences in marketing and media strategy. 2. "Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business" Author: Neil Postman Political Leanings: Postman was a cultural critic concerned with the impact of media and technology on public discourse, often highlighting the erosion of rational communication in society. Book Theme: The book argues that television and entertainment media have transformed serious public discourse into superficial entertainment, undermining critical thinking. 3. "Technopoly: The Surrender of Culture to Technology" Author: Neil Postman Political Leanings: As above, Postman critiqued the uncritical acceptance of technology's dominance over cultural and social institutions. Book Theme: This work discusses how society's submission to technology leads to the devaluation of traditional cultural norms and human-centric values. 4. "Propaganda" Author: Edward Bernays Political Leanings: Bernays, known as the "father of public relations," utilized his understanding of mass psychology to shape public opinion, often aligning with corporate and governmental interests. Book Theme: The book explores the mechanisms and ethics of manipulating public opinion, advocating for the deliberate use of propaganda in shaping societal attitudes. 5. "Alchemy: The Dark Art and Curious Science of Creating Magic in Brands, Business, and Life" Author: Rory Sutherland Political Leanings: Sutherland, a British advertising executive, offers insights that blend behavioral economics with marketing, without a pronounced political bias. Book Theme: The book delves into unconventional and creative approaches to problem-solving in business and marketing, challenging rational decision-making models. 6. "Pre-Suasion: A Revolutionary Way to Influence and Persuade" Author: Robert Cialdini Political Leanings: Cialdini is a psychologist whose work focuses on the science of persuasion and influence, remaining largely apolitical. Book Theme: This work examines how setting the stage before delivering a message can significantly enhance its persuasive power. 7. Beyond Belief: The American Press and the Coming of the Holocaust, 1933–1945" Author: Deborah E. Lipstadt Political Leanings: Lipstadt is a historian and professor specializing in Holocaust studies, known for her work in combating Holocaust denial. Her scholarship is rooted in historical analysis rather than political advocacy. Book Theme: This comprehensive study examines how the American press reported—or often failed to report—on the persecution of Jews in Europe leading up to and during the Holocaust. Lipstadt details how media outlets downplayed or ignored reports of Jewish persecutions over a twelve-year period, contributing to public ignorance about the unfolding atrocities. 8. "The Captive Mind" Author: Czeslaw Milosz Political Leanings: Milosz, a Polish poet and dissident, critiqued totalitarianism and was an advocate for intellectual and artistic freedom. Book Theme: The book provides a profound analysis of how intellectuals in Eastern Europe rationalized their acceptance of communist ideology under oppressive regimes. 9. "The Culture of Narcissism: American Life in an Age of Diminishing Expectations" Author: Christopher Lasch Political Leanings: Lasch was a social critic who examined the decline of communal and familial structures, often critiquing both liberal and conservative perspectives. Book Theme: The work discusses how post-World War II America fostered a self-absorbed culture, leading to societal and psychological implications. 10. "The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion" Author: Jonathan Haidt Political Leanings: Haidt is a social psychologist who studies moral psychology, aiming to understand and bridge ideological divides without advocating for a specific political stance. Book Theme: The book explores the psychological foundations of morality and how they influence political and religious divisions. 11. "Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media" Authors: Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky Political Leanings: Both authors are known for their critical views on corporate and governmental power structures, often aligning with leftist critiques of media and politics. Book Theme: The book introduces the "propaganda model," arguing that mass media serves the interests of dominant, elite groups in society. 12. "Media Control: The Spectacular Achievements of Propaganda" Author: Noam Chomsky Political Leanings: Chomsky is a linguist and political activist known for his critiques of U.S. foreign policy and mass media, often from a libertarian socialist perspective. Book Theme: This work discusses how propaganda and media "

But maybe it's also the mean tweets.

3/15/2025 9:39:46 PM

nobody mentioned anything about mean tweets

3/15/2025 9:50:19 PM

^^What’s your professional propaganda take on this discussion Elon had with Rogan last week?:

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/13/politics/elon-musk-social-security-conspiracy-theory-what-matters/index.html

Quote :

"MUSK: Why is the Democrat propaganda machine so fired up to destroy me? That’s. The main reason. The main reason is that is that entitlements fraud – that includes, like, Social Security, disability, Medicaid – entitlements fraud for illegal aliens is what is serving as a gigantic magnetic force to pull people in from all around the world and keep them here. Like basically, if you, if you pay people at a standard of living that is above 90% of Earth, then you have a very powerful incentive for 90% of Earth to come here and to stay here. But if you, if you end the illegal alien fraud, then you turn off that magnet, and they leave. They stop coming, and the ones that are here, many of them will simply leave. And if that happens, a massive – they will lose a massive number of Democratic voters. ROGAN: And if it didn’t happen, they would turn those people into voters. MUSK: Correct. ROGAN: Which they were trying to do. MUSK: They’re already turning them – so in New York State, illegal aliens can already vote in state and city elections. A lot of people don’t know that. I mean, they try to fight that. They’re trying to stop that, but it’s, they’re currently, I think it’s like 600,000 are registered to vote. Illegal aliens in New York. ROGAN: That is wild! MUSK: What’s actually happening is they’re buying voters. That’s really what’s happening. It’s like, it’s like a giant voter fraud scam. They’re importing voters (sigh) and, and it’s really just a matter of time. So like, a lot of people have trouble believing this, but if you – the more you look at it, the more you will realize just how much of a problem this is and how it’s, it’s not just real – it is an attempt to destroy democracy in America. That’s what, in my view, is what it really is. MUSK: If you take the seven swing states, like, often the margin of victory there is, like, maybe 20,000 votes. If you put 200,000 illegals in there, and they have, like an 80% likelihood of voting Dem, and it’s only a matter of time before they become citizens, then those swing states will not be swing states in the future. And if they’re not swing states, we will be a permanent one-party state country. Permanent deep-blue socialist state. That’s what America will become. ROGAN: And that was the game plan. MUSK: That was – that was (the) game plan, that is still the game plan. They almost succeeded. If the machine of which the Kamala puppet was the representation had won, that’s what would have happened. MUSK: The reason I went so hard-core for Trump was because, to me, this was a fork in the road. Like a very obvious fork in the road. If they had another four years, they would legalize enough illegals in the swing states to make the swing states not swing states. They would just, they would be blue states. Then they would win the presidential – they would win the House, the Senate, the presidency. They would then make (the) District, DC, into a state, maybe Puerto Rico, get four extra senators, pack the Supreme Court, so then you’ll have the House, judiciary, Senate, the presidency, and then they will keep importing more illegals to cement that outcome. Basically, what happened in California. ROGAN: Jesus Christ! MUSK: It would have been the end. That’s why I went so hard-core for Trump. It would otherwise have been the end, and that’s why the, the Democrat machine is so intent on destroying me. ROGAN: It’s just so fascinating that people can’t see this. MUSK: I mean, I invite people to do their research, the more they do the research, the more they will see that what I’m saying is absolutely true."

Are you detecting any loaded language in there?

3/16/2025 8:28:52 AM

Quote :

"MUSK: What’s actually happening is they’re buying voters. That’s really what’s happening. It’s like, it’s like a giant voter fraud scam."

Musk's $1m-a-day to swing states voters 'deeply concerning'

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg78ljxn8g7o

That's right, "THEY" are buying voters.

3/16/2025 9:48:51 AM

The only thing that makes sense so far in tying all the weird trump actions together, is that theyre implementing Curtis Yarvins competitive monarchy plans.

Step 1 is weakening the federal Gov

Step 2 is breaking the country up into smaller parts

Step 3 is for each smaller part to select a monarch CEO

Quote :

"Another key concept for Yarvin is “exit” – the idea that people should be free to leave an unsatisfactory system rather than having a “voice” in reforming it ?. In a neocameralist future, competition between multiple sovereign “corporate” governments would theoretically keep the monarchs in check: if citizens dislike one regime, they can “vote with their feet” and move to another, forcing governments to compete for loyalty like businesses competing for customers"

https://chatgpt.com/share/67d7981d-e81c-8011-be2e-bea31e269bf0

3/16/2025 11:34:12 PM

monarch CEOs huh? so out of all the possible sci-fi futures we could have headed into.... we are going into Tekken?

disappoint

3/18/2025 7:51:33 AM

https://www.theverge.com/news/633091/tesla-takedown-protesters-planning-biggest-day-of-action

Mostly peaceful day of action. You guys can go make history.

3/20/2025 7:41:52 AM