I imagine they both have at least another 5 years

1/9/2010 4:58:30 PM

yeah Carolina will probably get just about whoever they want too. That sucks.

1/9/2010 5:01:05 PM

Quote :

"I'm not so sure about Harrow being able to carry this team next year. At 160lbs, he's going to get tossed around. Plus, expecting a freshman, even a highly talented one, to come in and lead a team in the ACC is a lot to ask."

Good thing that's not what will happen. We will have good seniors at PG and center, so whoever comes in will not have to carry the team. Harrow won't start, but he will get big minutes. He may become a starter by the end of the year, but it would be smart to ease him in.

Javi and Smith won't be disappointing seniors.

1/9/2010 5:04:05 PM

Duke will either get Capel or Dawkins. UNC I'm not really sure who they have in the coaching wings right now, but they have the money to go after just about anyone, and the prestige to land them.

1/9/2010 5:05:38 PM

But would UNC go for somebody completely unrelated to UNC/Dean Smith or would they take someone from their "tree"? And who do they have in their tree that scares anybody? Larry Brown is too old and he's probably the best coach left.

1/9/2010 5:06:59 PM

If they go after someone who isn't in the tree they'll be better off. This is one of the times when you hope that Dean Smith has enough influence in the program still to influence them toward someone in the tree. If they do, we MIGHT have a chance to take advantage like we did when Do' was there. Hopefully next time that happens we make something of it.

1/9/2010 5:10:43 PM

Quote :

"another ridiculous 10 man rotation with Vandy only getting 7 minutes despite playing very well during those 7 minutes (1-2 from the field, 1 block, 1 rebound, caused several altered shots). I called this in the game thread how well Vandy was playing and that Lowe would likely bench him. "

Just shutup OhBeebee. If you got your way and a 7-man rotation was run, Vandy would never even see the floor. Try to be consistent.

1/9/2010 5:17:15 PM

^ This is the 3rd time I'm going to ask you to quit responding to my posts. You're clearly trolling me now. If you think a 10 man rotation for our team is A+ coaching then good for you. Lets just agree to disagree forever and just ignore my posts forever since they seem to get you so upset. If not you're just trolling.

Goodbye forever.

[Edited on January 9, 2010 at 5:25 PM. Reason : is there really a block user plugin I can get for firefox somewhere?]]

1/9/2010 5:23:41 PM

lol a 7 man rotation is just ridiculous.

what would we do there?

javi, degand, wood, horner, smith... ohbebe doesn't like mays or williams. so we both Degand and Javi have to play 40+ minutes a game. Then you're left to pick 2 of Howell, Painter, Vandy, and Davis. You have to play Howell so we have someone with experience starting at the 4 next year. You have to give Vandy minutes so we have someone to rest Smith. You have to give Davis minutes so you have someone to rest Wood.

1/9/2010 5:37:16 PM

I think Scott Wood is a capable enough ball handler where we don't need to have Mays playing. Wood might be the smartest player we have on the court as well. Whenever Mays has the ball the offense GRINDS to a halt. He gets WAY too much playing time.

Also I've said all along that I'd 7-8 man rotation is ideal for our team with probably 8 man being the best option. That fucking idiot Bullet just putting words in my mouth. You know this too, BigEgo.

[Edited on January 9, 2010 at 5:43 PM. Reason : .]

1/9/2010 5:40:53 PM

wood would play all game, every game because he'd be the back up 2 guard. davis wouldnt play I guess

he's right that we need to cut someone but when you have a bunch of mediocre players it's hard to figure out who needs to play and who doesnt. i read somewhere that UVA has started 9 different guys this year. at least Lowe stopped playing Painter

1/9/2010 5:42:10 PM

^^fixed it for ya:

Quote :

"I think Scott Wood is a capable enough ball handler where. We don't need to have Mays playing. Wood might be the smartest player we have on the court as well. Whenever Mays has the ball the offense GRINDS to a halt. He gets WAY too much playing time. "

[Edited on January 9, 2010 at 5:45 PM. Reason : a]

1/9/2010 5:45:38 PM

Honestly I don't think Davis needs to play either. We've played half the season and Lowe still doesn't know what he's got. This is evident with the 10 man rotation. The best players playing the most minutes with a few subs would be much more comfortable playing as a team IMHO. If you think 10+ rotation for OUR team is good coaching then we can agree to disagree.

[Edited on January 9, 2010 at 5:49 PM. Reason : ^ so you think Mays is a serviceable guard in the ACC? what a fucking clown]

1/9/2010 5:46:08 PM

I THINK KENDALL SMITH NEEDS MORE PLAYING TIME

1/9/2010 5:48:40 PM

People that absolutely have to play if we want any chance at being good next year:
Smith
Wood
Howell
Javi

People that probably should play if we want any chance at being good next year:
The above plus
Williams
Davis
Vandenberg

Add in Horner because he's a senior with 4 years of experience.
Add in Degand because we want to run and he's good at the moving the ball in transition and absolutely key to breaking a press
Add in Mays because we need someone who can make FTs, especially late game.

How many players should we play?

Next year's probable rotation: Harrow, Brown, Wood, Howell, Smith, 2 of Javi/Mays/Williams, 1 or 2 of Cothron/Vandenberg/Painter and if we have him Leslie will either play in addition or in place of the above.

Quote :

"Honestly I don't think Davis needs to play either. "

Davis has to play because we can't play Wood 40 minutes every night.

1/9/2010 5:58:48 PM

people like Davis not necessarily because he is super talented, but because he shows a lot of heart and effort when he plays. He makes the hustle plays. That's something that ALL of our players need to play with.

Do you honestly think we need to be playing 10 players/game this year?

[Edited on January 9, 2010 at 6:05 PM. Reason : .]

1/9/2010 6:01:41 PM

Quote :

"Harrow won't start, but he will get big minutes."

allow me introduce you to sidney lowe

1/9/2010 6:07:35 PM

Quote :

" [Davis] shows a lot of heart and effort when he plays. He makes the hustle plays."

He's also a ball-hog and attempts ridiculous shots. I don't feel like Josh Davis adds any value to the team...not this year, at least. Scott Wood on the other hand is already showing great potential.

Quote :

"Add in Mays because we need someone who can make FTs, especially late game."

That's all Mays is good at. And how often is he the one who shoots them? That can't really be controlled...as we saw at today's game the refs call whatever the hell they want and we can't depend on Mays getting fouls and making his FTs to win games. That's ridiculous, especially when the other team can have whoever up there and make every single one of their FTs, even with all the loud distractions from the wolfpack fans.

And Javi needs to speed up a bit.

[Edited on January 9, 2010 at 6:09 PM. Reason : a]

1/9/2010 6:08:32 PM

They're actually talking about this on statefansnation blog (I know a lot of you guys hate them because they don't blow smoke up your ass like WPH). Here's what one guy said. Looks like he worked out a 7 man rotation. Players would likely get weary as the season goes on but here's what he said.

Quote :

"PG: Gonzalez 36 mpg SG: Degand 36 mpg SF: Wood 36 mpg PF: Horner 33 mpg C: Smith 33 mpg PF: Howell 18 mpg C: Vandenberg 8 mpg The 3 guards can get two minutes of rest per half, and you can cheat a few minutes with sliding Horner over to the 3 while one of the guards sits. Other than that, this is the only rotation we can win with."

What do you think about this BigEgo.. maybe could add one more 8th player in there and it might be really doable.

[Edited on January 9, 2010 at 6:12 PM. Reason : .]

1/9/2010 6:11:35 PM

that plan relies on dennis horner not to fall flat on his face against acc competition and I highly doubt playing 1 PG with Wood at the 2G while resting the other PG would work against teams that press

1/9/2010 6:14:39 PM

^ that's why he said we'd have to cheat it a little and not for long at all. It makes sense to me. Better than the current rotation IMO.

[Edited on January 9, 2010 at 6:20 PM. Reason : .]

1/9/2010 6:19:27 PM

From a minimalist POV I think this is the least amount of time we could give the non-starters:

1- Javi (30-35)
2- Degand (30-35)
3- Wood (35)
4- Horner (30)
5- Smith (35)

Off the bench
Mays (10-20) at the 1 and 2
Howell (15) at the 3 and 4
Vandenberg (5) at the 5

However, that would leave us with 5-10 minutes of a 5'11 PG and 6'2 SG, as well as potenially 5 minutes of inability to stop anyone at the 3.

More ideally you'd add Williams to take about 15 minutes at the 2 and 3 and have Mays take about 10 at the 1. I guess you could play Degand at the point, but that's not ideal. In that case you give Degand 10 at the point and 20 at the 2, let Williams play the other 20 at the 2 then either give Howell or Williams the 5 from the 3.

1/9/2010 6:44:07 PM

for the people who dont think we practice FTs

Quote :

"On missing free throws “It’s disappointing again because that’s what we’re doing in practice. We need guys to step up under pressure and make their free throws. We’ve got to get them in tomorrow and shoot more free throws.” "

1/9/2010 6:45:45 PM

So how long realistically do you think it will be before we get rid of him?

I say if shit doesn't improve, he is gone for good after next year.

Who we get after that is anyones guess since its pretty obvious nobody we even remotely want will come here.

[Edited on January 9, 2010 at 6:55 PM. Reason : /]

1/9/2010 6:49:10 PM

Quote :

"its pretty obvious nobody we even remotely want will come here. "

thats just bitter talking.
jc considered coming. a few coaches didn't and we settled for lowe. that doesnt mean there aren't coaches that wouldn't love a chance to go heads up with duke and carolina at a capable program.

1/9/2010 6:56:15 PM

^^im fine with that, just get these studs in here so that whoever comes in afterwards (hopefully barnes, meaning fowler would be gone) has some solid players to work with


^Rick Barnes would be our coach now if fowler wasnt the AD. Barnes said he would never work for that idiot

[Edited on January 9, 2010 at 6:57 PM. Reason : asd]

1/9/2010 6:56:26 PM

yeah fowler has to go 1st. if not he'd surely find some way to fuck it up.

1/9/2010 7:12:58 PM

^^ link?

i'd love to read the actual quote. it would be my new signature

[Edited on January 9, 2010 at 7:13 PM. Reason : extra carrots]

1/9/2010 7:13:27 PM

^ I saw where someone made the remark about Barnes in a comment on a StateFansNation thread too. Sounded like hearsay and not something that was in print. (Though, I would not be surprised if it was true because Jed is an idiot.)

1/9/2010 7:28:52 PM

Quote :

"that doesnt mean there aren't coaches that wouldn't love a chance to go heads up with duke and carolina at a capable program."

haha yeah, there are hundreds if not thousands of them.

But none that we actually want. See the last coaching search.

And you are lying to yourself if you honestly think we had any legit shot at Calipari.

[Edited on January 9, 2010 at 7:48 PM. Reason : .]

1/9/2010 7:47:44 PM

^^^,^^ yea the main dudes over at statefans reference it many times over. I dont think they have posted an article on it, but it seems like they want too. Just waiting for the right time i guess. Would definately be an interesting read about how fowler low balled barnes.

[Edited on January 9, 2010 at 7:52 PM. Reason : slow]

1/9/2010 7:51:57 PM

Can someone find our first conference win?

@FSU
Clemson
Duke
@Maryland
UNC
@Virginia
@GT
Virginia Tech

1/9/2010 8:00:12 PM

Is that a trick question?

1/10/2010 2:07:31 AM

If we go 0-16 can we can Lowe please? I'm so tired of waiting "till we can judge him".

^^Looking at that schedule there I would have said UVA but damn if that one is looking bad. Maybe VT since we somehow always beat them.

1/10/2010 2:19:41 AM

Calling it now: UNC will be our first conference win

1/10/2010 2:49:46 AM

For someone who has "always" said "after next year we can judge him", that seems to be a pretty quick trigger finger you got there.

1/10/2010 8:28:23 AM

let's take a step back here. if you were rick barnes would you honestly leave TEXAS for nc state (in it's current condition/condition when lowe was hired, especially when you had kevin durant coming in?) objectively i would say there isn't/wasn't a chance in hell, despite what the old guys on the internets seem to believe.

as a coach fowler seems like he would be a good AD to work for. as a fan, not so much.

1/10/2010 9:32:21 AM

Low balled Barnes?

Didn't we offer him like 2 million and Texas gave him a big raise so he'd stay?

1/10/2010 10:16:48 AM

Barnes isn't/wasn't coming here. Here's an interview of him from 4 years ago.

http://simonsayshoops.blogspot.com/2006/03/rick-barnes-talks-nc-state-and-sendek.html

1/10/2010 10:40:20 AM

Do you guys really not watch these games? Lowe's substitution patterns are determined by who is playing best (NOT JUST SCORING OR MAKING THE OBVIOUS PLAYS OHHBOYYEEEFUCKTARD) When players get beat or caught out of position Lowe subs them. He has even explained that, but you still don't pick up on it? We are never going to be a team that runs a 7 man rotation because we don't have 7 players with a complete enough game. Example: Wood vs. Davis- Wood is a great three point shooter and a decent defender but not a great rebounder if he is being out rebounded by his man you can bet your ass Davis is going to be in the game for him. Each starting player has significant issues with their game and when that is getting exploited they get pulled.

1/10/2010 10:49:08 AM

^^^yea, barnes said give me your best offer and fowler low balled him. When barnes said no, fowler offered him 2 mil but by then he had already signed an extention with texas.

^^coach speak

1/10/2010 11:16:14 AM

^^ But omg dude, how can we compete in the ACC with a 9 man rotation. Even though every other team in the conference is using 9+ guys right now, we could totally hang with them if we just played a 7 rotation! Substitutions are stupid! RAWR RAWR RAWR

1/10/2010 11:19:07 AM

look you turrible trolls

#1) we run a 10+ man rotation, not a 9 man rotation
#2) we are 0-2 in the ACC with this 10+ man rotation.

suck it. game over. we all lose.

Quote :

"When players get beat or caught out of position Lowe subs them. He has even explained that, but you still don't pick up on it?"

I know he does this. I believe this to be bad coaching. Lowe doesn't let them play through their mistakes. He pulls them immediately. You can argue that we get timid play because of fear of being pulled. Suck it, again.

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 11:26 AM. Reason : []

1/10/2010 11:23:13 AM

Why are you saying 10+ when we play 10?

Anyway, we're not losing because we play 10. We're losing because none of those 10 can hit FTs. We're losing because none of those 10 are solid guards. And we're losing because none of those 10 could guard Scott or Landesberg

^He doesn't pull them the second they make a mistake, if they make a few mistakes within a minute or so, or one really big one he pulls them. That's not bad coaching.

1/10/2010 11:28:14 AM

10+ meaning 10 or more. Painter was in the mix earlier against Wake

Also, dude, it's bad coaching. The proof is in the body of work.

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 11:32 AM. Reason : []

1/10/2010 11:31:36 AM

Quote :

"let's take a step back here. if you were rick barnes would you honestly leave TEXAS for nc state (in it's current condition/condition when lowe was hired, especially when you had kevin durant coming in?) objectively i would say there isn't/wasn't a chance in hell, despite what the old guys on the internets seem to believe. as a coach fowler seems like he would be a good AD to work for. as a fan, not so much."

barnes wouldn't have lost durant. he would've had

augustin
fells
durant
costner
simmons

with

atsur
james
grant
mccauley
pittman

off the bench.

plus maybe a few of these guys

smith
mason
horner
werner
pg from gtown

our bench would've been as good as our entire team that almost won the acc under lowe.

We would've been instantly much better than texas was with just durant and augustin that year and likely a championship contender.

1/10/2010 12:00:43 PM

Did you even read the words you were quoting? They aren't saying anything about Barnes bringing players with him. They're saying Barnes would never come here.

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 12:08 PM. Reason : V you inferred a lot from his aside about Durant...bottom line Barnes would have never come here]

1/10/2010 12:03:10 PM

^they said barnes wouldn't come here because he had durant coming in to texas.

yes he tried to imply durant was somehow tied to texas and wouldn't move with barnes. he also tried to imply that texas was already better than ncstate which they weren't. sure, they had just beaten us by 15 but they lost a lot more and we had the perfect role players to complimen augustin and durant while texas obviously didn't.

Plus its much easier to suceed at a school where basketball is top billing and playing duke and unc all year only increases your chances of doing well in the tournament.

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 12:07 PM. Reason : he would've had a better team, more money and in a better situation ]

1/10/2010 12:06:41 PM

Quote :

"Anyway, we're not losing because we play 10. We're losing because none of those 10 can hit FTs."

We're also going to continue to lose in the ACC because we have averaged less than 70 ppg against a cupcake schedule in the first half of the season because Lowe plays a 10+ man rotation and the team never really comes together as a team.

In all of our games we have these 5 minute or more scoring droughts because we continue to run guys in and out of the line up and they never get into the flow of the game.

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 12:17 PM. Reason : []

1/10/2010 12:15:55 PM

5 min scoring droughts are a part of NCSU basketball, they happened to be Sendek's calling card while he was here at State. EVERY starting player we have has severe inadequacies and they get subed when the other team starts exploiting those inadequacies. (Smith is to short for a true center, Williams is unaggressive and tends to get caught out of position on D, Wood doesn't box out well, Horner never has had a post game, Javi can be turnover prone gambles for the steal and is a very streaky player who is really bothered by taller guards). As for Painter against WF HOWELL WAS COMING BACK FROM KNEE INJURY (are you really this stupid?).
I guess you are really chucking now you really trolled me OHBOYEEEIAMATOOLANDHAVENOTHINGBETTERTODOBUTREPEATTHESAMEREFUTEDARGUMENTOVERANDOVERAGAINSOMUCHSOTHATWHENIGETBANNEDICOMEBACKASDONBEEBEANDSTILLSPEWRETARDEDSHIT

1/10/2010 12:34:06 PM