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"do you think the ($2500) difference in price is worth it between the stock dpms gun and the complete JPE?"

just build it yourself, it's a fairly easy thing to do

Side note, the Noveske NSR-13 came out today:


http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop%2Fdetail&product_id=3112


[Edited on May 1, 2012 at 1:34 PM. Reason : ...]

5/1/2012 1:28:54 PM

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"thinking about building a gun. ive done engines. figured a gun shouldnt be that bad. most kits ive found are AR-15 any pistol kits? im sure there are. but i want something neat. and of course im cheap.. so maybe this isnt a good idea. lol"

You could build an AR pistol. I love building AR's, on my third now and soon to be fourth. The great thing about building an AR is there are so many parts for all different budgets. You can really make it your own design.

5/1/2012 1:34:37 PM

yeah but i don't know what parts i want LOL...

I know i could probably assemble them but what's a good light trigger? what's a good heavy .308 barrel +

I guess i need to do a lot of research... but i don't even know where to start for that on an a/r

(sorry, i'm a bolt gun guy for the most part)

5/1/2012 1:36:35 PM

Quote :

"yeah but i don't know what parts i want LOL... I know i could probably assemble them but what's a good light trigger? what's a good heavy .308 barrel + I guess i need to do a lot of research... but i don't even know where to start for that on an a/r (sorry, i'm a bolt gun guy for the most part)"

Researching and reading forums to get the best bang for your buck are the most fun!

Start with http://www.ar15.com and http://www.m4carbine.net

5/1/2012 1:45:36 PM

Quote :

"just build it yourself, it's a fairly easy thing to do"

This, I can't imagine buying a pre-built AR upper or lower. Takes all the fun out of it

I bought my last upper complete and am now in the process or redoing the whole thing. Got the upper completely apart and it really helps to understand how the rifle functions.

5/1/2012 1:56:40 PM

Anyone use different takedown pins than the stock ones? Thinking that could be a nice little modification to make breaking down the rifle easier.

5/1/2012 3:57:14 PM

so if I'm not drinking, but the restaurant servers alcohol, I can't conceal carry inside right?

Can I leave my pistol in the glove box?

5/1/2012 4:06:57 PM

^ Correct. As it stands, any establishment that serves alcohol for consumption purposes is off limits. You can leave it in your car though. Have to be careful of places like Whole Foods who have a little bar in some of them where you can drink. Of course they have a no firearms sign so it would be off limits in NC. In TX they don't have the proper sign to prevent me from CC but they could kick me out.

5/1/2012 4:16:05 PM

Quote :

"Anyone use different takedown pins than the stock ones? Thinking that could be a nice little modification to make breaking down the rifle easier."

save your money and just use the tip of a bullet

5/1/2012 4:28:54 PM

Anybody have any opinions on the Sig P250 .45 ACP? Specifically the compact one?

5/1/2012 4:36:16 PM

Quote :

"save your money and just use the tip of a bullet"

Yeah I definitely get ya, would be a total luxury item. I have some money to play around with and want to make this build real nice so I am looking into the little things like that. Definitely would be low on the list.

5/1/2012 4:57:58 PM

Anyone use an accu-wedge in an AR with success? I mean at $5 it ain't breaking the bank to give it a shot, just looking into the cheaper accurizing steps first

5/1/2012 6:14:23 PM

description of the gun? what size groups do you get off the bench and with what ammo?

5/1/2012 6:18:23 PM

Accu-wedge doesn't actually do anything but keep it from rattling. I've used a precision gun with and without one, no difference. That said, it's nice to have if the slop annoys you, but a couple hundredths of slop isn't going to affect accuracy at all.

5/1/2012 6:32:17 PM

Well even as it sits it's way more accurate than i am. Haven't done any real bench testing, just shoulder-firing at some cans out in the cut. Guess I should get some hard data first, but there isn't much slop to begin with

5/1/2012 6:37:07 PM

that's about what i expected

5/1/2012 6:41:10 PM

I have the Sig P250 in 9mm.
I hate it. The trigger pull is 3/4'' long, and a constant 8lbs. The trigger has to return fully forward to reset.
If you love a good double action revolver trigger then you may like the P250.
The ergonomics are very good.

5/1/2012 6:50:41 PM

Just ordered the Troy TRX 13.8" Free Float Rail for my AR-10 along with a Magpul PRS Stock. Need to get a bipod and that build will be pretty much done. Thinking of getting the Magpul Angled Fore Grip to have a good place to hold it and maybe a red dot on a 1 o'clock offset or on top of my scope in case I need to make a quick up close shot.

5/2/2012 2:34:42 PM

probably going to buy a colt / sauer grand african in 458mag.

found one at a price i cant ignore for the condition.

might put it on layaway though until i close on my new house, lol.

will keep you all informed on ripping off my face / dislocating and breaking fingers.

will be another fun handloading cartridge.

5/2/2012 8:50:33 PM

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_786006_-1_757785_757784_757784_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

This looks to be a solid rife for the price point, but I don't know all that much about ARs yet.

Educate me on my options at this pricepoint oh fellow AR builders.

[Edited on May 2, 2012 at 8:57 PM. Reason : .]

5/2/2012 8:56:22 PM

it doesn't have a dust cover or a forward assist, if that stuff matters to you.

5/2/2012 9:06:09 PM

^^ What are you looking for out of the rifle? If all you care about is plinking then that would be fine. If you are going to want to upgrade it I would either start from scratch or choose a different completely built rifle.

5/2/2012 9:14:31 PM

^^^ From what I've read and from what friends who have them have told me, the rifle seems to be a really good value.

^^ The forward assist is useless and just adds weight. A dust cover would be nice.

5/3/2012 12:36:05 AM

^^ I'm looking out for a friend. Mostly plinking, but he wants to have the option of hunting with it too. I figure this production rifle will have no issue doing either. Really this comes down to a value. Is there a better rifle 5.56 Nato AR for equal or less?

[Edited on May 3, 2012 at 1:45 AM. Reason : .]

5/3/2012 1:44:35 AM

wtf do you hunt with 5.56?

5/3/2012 10:06:04 AM

.223 Remington is one of the most popular varmint calibers

5/3/2012 10:07:09 AM

that's what i was gonna ask...

same thing you can use .22lr for or .22hornet... or... (etc)

5/3/2012 10:08:30 AM

Quote :

"http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_786006_-1_757785_757784_757784_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y This looks to be a solid rife for the price point, but I don't know all that much about ARs yet. Educate me on my options at this pricepoint oh fellow AR builders."

Nutnfancy did a review on that recently:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YdpE6Lpw9E

If you can get it for ~600, then I think it'd be a good value. Closer to $700 and I think you could build / buy a better rifle from PSA

5/3/2012 10:14:59 AM

very popular with the coyotes and groundhogs.

5/3/2012 10:15:04 AM

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"same thing you can use .22lr for or .22hornet... or... (etc)"

significantly longer effective range and significantly flatter trajectory than both of those examples

[Edited on May 3, 2012 at 10:31 AM. Reason : not many folks are gonna kill groundhogs at 300 yds with .22LR]

5/3/2012 10:31:05 AM

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"If you can get it for ~600, then I think it'd be a good value. Closer to $700 and I think you could build / buy a better rifle from PSA"

+1

Even if you don't want to actually build it out you can get a complete upper and lower from PSA for ~$700 (not including shipping and FFL fees).

5/3/2012 5:23:24 PM

PSA is doing a $299 16'' upper deal right now. Need a BCG and complete lower and you have a rifle. On the low end, you could finish it and have a complete rifle for $600.

5/3/2012 5:37:22 PM

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"^^ The forward assist is useless and just adds weight. A dust cover would be nice."

No it sure isn't. An AR will not run dirty and dry. It will, however, run dirty and wet. A forward assist will keep you in the fight.

Alternatively, a forward assist can help you quietly chamber a round, if you're in a blind or whatever.

5/3/2012 7:07:26 PM

I want a forward assist, and no dust cover.

Actually, that is how I have two of my ARs. I didn't bother putting on a dust cover. It really serves no purpose for anything that MOST people do.

5/3/2012 7:09:37 PM

classicfirearms.co has this deal. currently backordered though.



Features The M4 complete barrel assembly as above, plus all componant needed to build a complete rifle ( Less Stripped Lower Receiver ). Kit includes 16" M4 Rifle Kit comes with everything needed to complete a stripped lower receiver.
Includes fully assembled, headspaced and test fired upper receiver, lower parts kit and M4 6 position collapsable buttstock.

Includes : Pistol Grip, Trigger, Hammer, Disconnector, Selector, Bolt Catch Spring, Detent Spring, Bolt Catch Button, Take Down Detent
Bolt Catch, Magazine Catch Spring, Bolt Catch Roll Pin, Magazine Catch Button, Magazine Catch, Front Pivot Pin, Hammer Spring
Trigger Spring, Pistol Grip Screw, Pistol Grip Lock Washer, Selector Spring, Detent Selector, Hammer Pin, Trigger Pin, Take Down Pin
Buffer Retainer Pin, Buffer Retainer Spring, Disconnector Spring
Rifle kit does not include stripped lower receiver or magazines
Item # RKT100....................$469.99

stripped lower receivers are what, like $100-120?

5/3/2012 7:38:13 PM

That is dirt cheap, I don't know how they can make any money at that price without sacrificing quality. Doesn't exactly have the best reputation over at M4Carbine.

[Edited on May 3, 2012 at 8:24 PM. Reason : .]

5/3/2012 8:15:09 PM

For anyone who is just using it as a 'grown-up' toy, there is nothing wrong with that kit.

5/3/2012 8:26:03 PM

Sure, I put it in the same category as Kel-Tec or Hi-Point.

5/3/2012 8:36:25 PM

keltec is not in the same category as fucking hi-point.

5/3/2012 9:11:05 PM

and that AR is better than either.

5/3/2012 9:19:54 PM

everything ive ever gotten from classicarms has been pretty fantastic.

always nice folks on the phone as well, straightforward ordering process.

5/3/2012 9:25:26 PM

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"keltec is not in the same category as fucking hi-point."

It is in the category of I will never own one because I would never trust my life to it, just like a $400 AR. I am not trying to be all high and mighty, if you want a cheap gun for plinking than go for it, when I buy a gun I want to get something of high enough quality that I would have no issue using it to defend my life because I never know if I will need it for that purpose.

Throw Taurus in that category too. They make plenty of fine guns but I have just heard too many stories of problems with them that I would never buy one, rather save up another $100 or $200 and buy something of higher quality.

5/3/2012 9:31:44 PM

so every gun you own has to be "defend my life" quality?

what is the dollar cut-off there?

plenty of expensive shit guns as well; plenty of cheap good ones too.

5/3/2012 9:51:55 PM

Pretty much. One of the main reasons I am fixing up my own AR at the moment. I built it on a budget the first time and regret it now.

The only gun I own that I wouldn't really want to trust my life to is my Marlin 60 but that is because I don't trust .22 ammo more than the gun itself. Same reason I pretty much only buy guns in the calibers commonly used by law enforcement or the military because if the SHTF that will be the most common ammo I can find. Only exceptions are my S&W 686 just because I have always had a thing for that gun and my SKS, a gun given to me. Both of which I would trust my life to though, they are pretty much bullet proof.

I owned a pretty nice Springfield 1911 but the thing had too many FTFs so I got rid of it. Really made me sad because I really wanted to like that gun, now I am timid on getting another 1911. My ground rules are basically, don't buy guns like Taurus or Keltec and if a gun I buy doesn't function well, get rid of it.

I don't look down on people who don't share my views on owning guns or anything like that, just my thing, I totally get just getting a gun for an adult toy.



Also, I don't really associate price with quality, as you mentioned, plenty of expensive guns don't work as well. That's why one of my main go-to guns is my Glock 19. Only cost $500 and I have put thousands of rounds through it without a hiccup.

[Edited on May 3, 2012 at 10:02 PM. Reason : .]

5/3/2012 10:01:10 PM

well... shit... that pretty much tosses out my model 73, muzzle loader and both my 22s

maybe even my lever action 308s...

fuck me...

5/4/2012 1:11:40 PM

so here's a (fairly) hypothetical question I've been pondering for some time:

my fiancee works at a jewelry store that RPD provides security for. The officers are off-duty, but they are wearing uniforms, guns, radios, etc. I know a few of the officers and we routinely shoot the shit while I'm in there visiting.

If I was to go in while CCing, do I really have to notify every officer that "approaches or addresses" me that I am carrying? Even if they just walk up and say "Hey jtw208, good to see you again" ??

*not looking for legal advice, just opinions

5/4/2012 4:43:23 PM

Only need to notify if dealing in a official capacity.
Just talking; no
DL check point; yes
Asking directions; no
If unsure, better safe than sorry

5/4/2012 4:55:33 PM

Only need to notify if dealing in a official capacity.
Just talking; no
DL check point; yes
Asking directions; no
If unsure, better safe than sorry

5/4/2012 4:56:02 PM

Put some new furniture on the AR-10 today, still waiting for the low profile gas block to come in and decide what flash hider to put on but other than that this gun is complete (besides a bipod).

Before:



After:



Please excuse the shitty camera phone quality. Added a Magpul PRS stock, Magpul extended trigger guard, and Troy TRX Extreme 13.8" free float rail.


[Edited on May 4, 2012 at 6:07 PM. Reason : noob fail]

5/4/2012 6:05:43 PM

Quote :

"*not looking for legal advice, just opinions"

You should be alright.


Lastly, I had my first chance to shoot my new P232; this is one awesome gun.

[Edited on May 4, 2012 at 6:42 PM. Reason : ...]

5/4/2012 6:28:40 PM