When is football season?

1/14/2016 3:07:39 PM

If Doeren get a pass then Gott should get three straight years of passes.

1/14/2016 4:30:50 PM

You're comparing year 1 of DD to year 5 of Gottfried. One coach inherited a talented team and one had to completely rebuild.

1/14/2016 4:41:47 PM

I'm comparing year 3 Doeren to year 3 Gott. Thornton wasnt his recruit, and the team still couldn't beat the likes of VT or Lousiville even with Dayes.

1/14/2016 5:11:23 PM

Come on, one off year as a result of some key people leaving earlier than expect, an injury, and some young guys not ready to step up and carry their share of the starting load?

Let's keep in mind this team that's playing pretty miserably is still losing close games to decent competition. Henderson could really have been the difference between 0-3 and 3-0 in the ACC right now. His time on the floor could let some of the other guys rest, his scoring could have taken some of the pressure off, and his defense arguably couldn't be worse than Rowan's.

This kind of season ends up being an outlier in what is otherwise a pretty damn good career.

1/14/2016 5:14:07 PM

^^you're comparing the football coach to the basketball coach at a basketball school?

[Edited on January 14, 2016 at 5:20 PM. Reason : k]

1/14/2016 5:14:26 PM

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"Come on, one off year as a result of some key people leaving earlier than expect, an injury, and some young guys not ready to step up and carry their share of the starting load?"

First off, I'm giving him a free pass because of his previous sucess. I said this as soon as Lacey left.

With that said, key people leaving earlier than expected is on him. He needs to either figure out when people are leaving, keep people from leaving earlier than expected, or react to people leaving early by getting 5th year players. Our depth is unacceptable.

He gets a free pass this year and I won't even mind a team that is on the wrong end of the bubble next year, but he has until the time DSJr is gone to field a team that has a solid regular seaosn(makes the tournament without being on the bubble) or I'll be ready to move on. The only reason I'm not ready to move on now is because he has a good recruit coming in.

7 years of bubble is too much

[Edited on January 14, 2016 at 5:20 PM. Reason : lets see how it goes]

1/14/2016 5:19:14 PM

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"Let's keep in mind this team that's playing pretty miserably is still losing close games to decent competition."

Exactly. Plus, we're a young team with like 0 seniors.

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"With that said, key people leaving earlier than expected is on him. He needs to either figure out when people are leaving, keep people from leaving earlier than expected, or react to people leaving early by getting 5th year players. Our depth is unacceptable. "

It's nothing he can really do about it, that's the way college basketball kind of is these days. When you recruit a lot of highly touted players, they're not going to stick around if they don't get the burn they feel they deserve hence Purvis and Lewis leaving. Lacey left early due to his age, and Warren left to catch a payday.

The only one I thought was a bad transfer was Washington as he had a lot of offensive weapons and can see him maturing into a good player if he stopped playing so dumb.

1/14/2016 5:24:56 PM

I guess I'll just keep posting the same thing I've posted since 1-2 games before ACC play started. Gott has got to reign in Caleb and tell his ass to STOP shooting 3s. All they do is lead to transition baskets for the other team off his nasty misses. He'd be better off punting the ball into the stands and letting us set the D.

1/14/2016 5:52:20 PM

every shooter goes through slumps, but caleb needs to at least pull it back just a bit. Even great shooters like Scoot eased up a tad when they lost their stroke. His numbers over the last 6 games or so are just embarrassing.

[Edited on January 14, 2016 at 6:07 PM. Reason : dp]

1/14/2016 6:07:02 PM

I'm willing to meet my Creator and answer for every shot that I took.

1/14/2016 6:09:23 PM

I think it looks like Gott has missed on the team depth as a result of several highly touted recruits stringing us along all recruiting season just to get scooped up by Kentucky or UNC at the last minute.

I appreciate that he's going after top tier talent, until we've established ourselves as a perennial challenger then occasionally we're going to miss and this is what that looks like. If it happens too often, then hold him accountable.

1/14/2016 6:56:21 PM

Gott gets a pass this year.

1/14/2016 10:27:53 PM

^ Reluctantly agree

[Edited on January 14, 2016 at 10:37 PM. Reason : ]

1/14/2016 10:37:35 PM

4 dances in 4 years with 2 Sweet 16's FOH mane. He's a made man.

1/14/2016 10:43:03 PM

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"4 dances in 4 years with 2 Sweet 16's FOH mane. He's a made man."

1/14/2016 10:56:55 PM

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"4 dances in 4 years with 2 Sweet 16's FOH mane. He's a made man. "

the sad part is that this team does have talent. they are just so young and raw its not going to be pretty.

1/14/2016 11:01:17 PM

i didn't realize making the tournament was the goal. I guess Lowe really reeled in the expectations.

1/14/2016 11:02:32 PM

One of the early steps on the road to a national title is being one of the teams who regularly makes the tourney.

1/14/2016 11:14:40 PM

I, too, ignore the part about the 2 Sweet 16's

1/14/2016 11:40:17 PM

Once you squeeze into the tournament, its not that absurd for any team to win 2 games. I'd feel much better if we had a top16 season and got upset in the tournament than being a bubble team that loses in the sweet16. Last year was really the only good season we've had under Gott. We haven't had a great season yet. The rest of them were sort of disappointing.

I'm not saying I'm ready to fire him but I won't be satisfied if we get 3 more years of being on the bubble or worse.

1/14/2016 11:52:44 PM

So you'd rather have an undefeated regular season and lose to a 16 seed than sneak in by winning the ACC tourney and then win the whole damn thing?

#mambareply

1/15/2016 12:05:23 AM

no that was never implied

1/15/2016 12:30:14 AM

so, say State doesnt make the Tourney this year... is he gone?

1/15/2016 1:05:44 AM

wtf no ^

1/15/2016 7:34:03 AM

^^haha

1/15/2016 8:37:25 AM

Would you rather be 14th in the ACC in basketball or 12th in the SEC in basketball?

[Edited on January 15, 2016 at 8:40 AM. Reason : deep thoughts]

1/15/2016 8:39:16 AM

I'd take Tony Bennett's one sweet 16 and two ACC titles rather than sweating out a tournament birth every year

1/15/2016 8:58:03 AM

Bennett has won 1 ACC Championship

1/15/2016 9:03:13 AM

Yeah, I'm sure we wouldn't hang a banner if won the acc regular season.

1/15/2016 9:40:24 AM

We wouldn't get a trophy. Since that's not how the ACC works.

[Edited on January 15, 2016 at 9:41 AM. Reason : I'd love to have the best record at the end of the regular season. But that's not winning the ACC.]

1/15/2016 9:41:16 AM

counts in my book. and there would definitely be a banner in the rafters.

1/15/2016 9:55:53 AM

Regardless, Gottfried will have 2 sweet 16's in 5 years and hasn't even sniffed winning the ACC regular season or tournament. He will be entering Herb territory shortly. After this horrendous year, next year will be big for him.

1/15/2016 10:01:30 AM

Who won the regular season national title last year? Kentucky I guess?

1/15/2016 10:05:39 AM

Only BC lower in the RPI than us.....officially worse than Clemson and VT in basketball.

Gott damn

1/15/2016 10:38:49 AM

Recruiting has slowed in such a way that it really seems like Dennis Smith Jr. is his last hope.

We replace cat with him next year which will be an even trade best case scenario.

Then next few years we lose henderson anya freeman martin twins which gives us a huge opportunity for a big class. Rowan should be a 4 year player which along with the martin twins, is the type of player we need more of to build stability.

If the 2017 recruiting class isn't better, smith is gone, and we still haven't done better than squeezing into the tournament, Gotts gone for sure. If one of those things can be prevented, then he can stay longer but he will be on the hotseat big time in 2018.

16-17-
smith
henderson/martin
rowan/kirk
martin/freeman
abu/anya

17-18- star class needed if smith doesn't return
smith?
martin/kirk
rowan
martin
abu

18-19-
rowan
kirk

[Edited on January 15, 2016 at 11:01 AM. Reason : V. k i got a year ahead]

1/15/2016 10:50:03 AM

Martins are sophomores. Anya/Freeman/Henderson are juniors

1/15/2016 10:51:13 AM

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"He will be entering Herb territory shortly."

With four appearances in the tournament and two sweet 16s in his first four years? And the most wins in four years by a NCSU coach since '72-'76? It's not even close. Jeez.

[Edited on January 15, 2016 at 11:25 AM. Reason : ^^you forgot abou Dorn bro]

1/15/2016 11:10:54 AM

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" hasn't even sniffed winning the ACC regular season or tournament. He will be entering Herb territory shortly. "

herb almost won the tournament multiple times.

DAMN YOU JJ REDICK

1/15/2016 12:30:07 PM

I dont know, I think with raised expectations, that he could be in trouble if they dont make the tourney. This isnt Sindy Lowe type expectations... there will be rumblings.

1/15/2016 12:41:45 PM

Lol, gott won't be in any kind of trouble even if we flunk out badly this season. Next season though the expectations will be high assuming we don't have any premature transfers/declares except for Cat.

1/15/2016 12:48:37 PM

putting him in trouble this year would be some kentucky shit. we have high expectations but not THAT high. He's shown us enough great coaching to be granted one really bad season.

1/15/2016 1:19:07 PM

At this point, I'd just like to see some progress with this team.

1. Teach Caleb to stop shooting so much
2. Find a way for Anya to not be worthless
3. Improve the FT shooting
4. Get Kirk more PT so he can be a reliable contributor next year
5. Hopefully get Henderson back at some point so he'll have some ACC experience
6. Work on some different defensive schemes (zone, trapping, pressing). I know our short bench does not allow for much of this, but we have to be the worst team year after year at creating turnovers.
7. Improve the FT shooting

1/15/2016 1:31:17 PM

rafflelong has come a LONG way... I am proud of you son. You may be the second most impressive and objective poster on here now, after me of course.

1/15/2016 1:36:10 PM

We just can't shoot. You need at least two reliable shooters...and it would be great if one of them isn't the guy who runs the offense. Teams can collapse on Cat, our big men, or anybody that drives to the basket...because there's a very small chance that the Martins or Rowan will hit an open three. That's just suicide for a team. Once Henderson went down, our margin for error went to basically zero.

It almost makes me want to give this year a pass. I still like our team, I just like them a lot better when the Martins and or Rowan can hit some wide open threes. We've got size all over the court, good defenders on the wing and inside, great rebounders, and an amazing point guard. You toss Scott Wood on this team and we're dancing.

I'm alright with a one year dip of not making the tourney as long as Smith and company turn it around next year. We're just not at that level as a program to be able to handle an early declaration (Lacey) and injury (Henderson) to our top two shooting guards. That's like losing Shad and Dayes in football...except you play five on the court at one time instead of 22. Tough to overcome.

1/15/2016 1:50:11 PM

I'm cool with the 1 year pass idea but my thing is where should we be when we "turn things around". The consensus on here seems to be that our expectation is to be a bubble team year after year.

1/15/2016 3:24:06 PM

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"Recruiting has slowed in such a way that it really seems like Dennis Smith Jr. is his last hope. "

DSJ is the best recruit state has gotten since they started making rankings, and we were a hairy away from getting another that would qualify for that statement as well

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"If the 2017 recruiting class isn't better, smith is gone"

I doubt the recruiting class will affect smith's draft status

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" we still haven't done better than squeezing into the tournament, Gotts gone for sure."

1/15/2016 4:02:39 PM

holy shit you are a master at using sentence fragments to completely change context.

That selective quoting is a work of a art.

1/15/2016 4:05:04 PM

The real problem is that we cannot recruit a skilled big.

1/15/2016 4:20:14 PM

^ We seriously need this for next year.

1/15/2016 4:37:37 PM