Lionheart I'm Eggscellent 12775 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " ErinESummers Erin Summers #UNC on Butch Davis' phone records: Released UNC-issued cell phone records for BD in entirety. Was minimal activity & some months w/ none" |
^word?
How does a head coach known as good recruiter work without using a phone for months on end.
Thats all you have to say to the judge.
[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 6:48 PM. Reason : For 153]6/21/2011 6:48:06 PM |
bdmazur ?? ????? ?? 14957 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "[You can try and say it was that the defense was depleted by suspension but its not like the offense was out there blowing people out." |
6/21/2011 7:06:34 PM |
ncsuftw1 BEAP BEAP 15126 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "@TarHeelWire: Two weeks ago, sources familiar with the investigation told THW that UNC believed a Notice of Allegations could include 9 major infractions." |
6/21/2011 7:06:39 PM |
DalesDeadBug In Pressed Silk 2978 Posts user info edit post |
shit, 9 major?
if true, they are likely on the first train to buttrapetown 6/21/2011 7:07:46 PM |
Lionheart I'm Eggscellent 12775 Posts user info edit post |
^Hopefully they don't split different players into separate infractions 6/21/2011 7:08:40 PM |
AxlBonBach All American 45550 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "9 major infractions" |
6/21/2011 7:09:19 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
what kind of penalties would they get if they determine that Blake and Austin were runners and/or agents
its one thing to have players talking to agents, its another to employ an agent as an assistant coach and have one of your players be a runner] 6/21/2011 7:12:04 PM |
ncsuapex SpaceForRent 37776 Posts user info edit post |
9 major you say?
6/21/2011 7:31:52 PM |
AuH20 All American 1604 Posts user info edit post |
I'm not getting excited for 9 until I see it. THW quoted someone with information from 2 weeks ago with what Carolina thought they may receive. All I care about is how many infractions the NCAA thinks they violated. 6/21/2011 7:36:32 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25535 Posts user info edit post |
lol
And I'm not getting my hopes up about the 9 major violations. But I'd love it if it were true.6/21/2011 7:50:26 PM |
AuH20 All American 1604 Posts user info edit post |
ArmstrongWTVD Mark Armstrong by ncsu1 Here we go: unethical conduct by Blake for providing false and misleading info to the NCAA and for failure to cooperate 6/21/2011 7:51:27 PM |
ncsuftw1 BEAP BEAP 15126 Posts user info edit post |
HERE WE GO
http://www.twitter.com/ArmstrongWTVD
Quote : | "Here we go: unethical conduct by Blake for providing false and misleading info to the NCAA and for failure to cooperate Blake marketed the athletic abilities of athletes to agent Gary Wichard He received outside income he didn't report to UNC Against Wiley: unethical conduct for not cooperating with NCAA investigation and providing illegal benefits to players an tutoring Allegations of academic fraud, preferential treatment and impermissable benefits. Failure to monitor for not being on top of Chris Hawkins, failing to monitor social media of it's athletes and possible extra bennys... ...to a student-athlete triggered by agent legislation" |
[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 7:52 PM. Reason : ^ i have a follower? :O]
[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 7:52 PM. Reason : ]
[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 7:52 PM. Reason : ]6/21/2011 7:51:56 PM |
AuH20 All American 1604 Posts user info edit post |
ArmstrongWTVD Mark Armstrong Allegations of academic fraud, preferential treatment and impermissable benefits. 11 seconds ago
ArmstrongWTVD Mark Armstrong Against Wiley: unethical conduct for not cooperating with NCAA investigation and providing illegal benefits to players an tutoring 50 seconds ago
ArmstrongWTVD Mark Armstrong He received outside income he didn't report to UNC 1 minute ago
ArmstrongWTVD Mark Armstrong Blake marketed the athletic abilities of athletes to agent Gary Wichard 6/21/2011 7:52:41 PM |
ncsuftw1 BEAP BEAP 15126 Posts user info edit post |
] 6/21/2011 7:53:35 PM |
ncstateccc All American 2856 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Breaking News: NCAA finds that former UNC football coach, tutor and student-athletes violated NCAA bylaws. " |
6/21/2011 7:56:14 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
^^26 pages, nice
[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 8:01 PM. Reason : more than 26 pages actually, that's just the letter to Thorp, doesnt include letter to Blake]
[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 8:01 PM. Reason : or Wiley] 6/21/2011 7:56:43 PM |
ncsuftw1 BEAP BEAP 15126 Posts user info edit post |
October 28th will be the real popcorn day. 6/21/2011 7:56:55 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25535 Posts user info edit post |
Why does the document look really blurry starting at the letter to Jennifer Wiley?
Nevermind...I guess it just had to be re-scanned as it looks edited (for names and such)
[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 8:02 PM. Reason : ]
[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 8:03 PM. Reason : ] 6/21/2011 8:01:49 PM |
TallyHo All American 11744 Posts user info edit post |
6/21/2011 8:02:22 PM |
AuH20 All American 1604 Posts user info edit post |
9 infractions total. 6 Majors.
I'll take it!
6/21/2011 8:02:25 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
wow this is getting juicy
Quote : | " (redacted player name) competed while ineligible during the 2009 and 2010 seasons, and (another redacted name) competed while ineligible during the 2008 and 2009 seasons" |
does that mean their eventual record from 2008-2010 will end up being 0-36ish?
and in UNC's response theyre asking for a shitload more emails and copies of interviews
the tutor paid $1,789 worth of parking tickets for one player
[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 8:08 PM. Reason : .]6/21/2011 8:04:42 PM |
wolfdawg4 All American 5866 Posts user info edit post |
Usually vacated wins are not turned into losses. A 9-4 team who has to vacate their wins becomes a 0-4 team according to records. 6/21/2011 8:07:12 PM |
Novicane All American 15416 Posts user info edit post |
6/21/2011 8:07:31 PM |
MrLuvaLuva85 All American 4265 Posts user info edit post |
i want to know where the tutor got the money to pay for that stuff. 6/21/2011 8:07:33 PM |
ncstateccc All American 2856 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Wiley paid $150 for an airline ticket in May 2010, and $1,789 in parking violation expenses on August 20, 2010 for then football student-atlete" |
6/21/2011 8:07:43 PM |
adder All American 3901 Posts user info edit post |
I am kind of impressed. If UNC doesn't watch their response they are FUCKED...
[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 8:08 PM. Reason : ^ Maybe wiley is why the parking investigation started?] 6/21/2011 8:07:50 PM |
Ernie All American 45943 Posts user info edit post |
6/21/2011 8:08:13 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25535 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Jennifer Wiley, former academic support center tutor, provided approximately $3500 in impermissible extra benefits to football student athletes" |
Quote : | "Wiley paid $150 for an airline ticket" |
Quote : | "and $1,789 in parking violation expenses for then football student athlete" |
Part of the $3500 is in tutoring, but she paid nearly $2000 in parking tickets + airline ticket? I hope she was getting some extra benefits herself from all that.6/21/2011 8:09:14 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Willie [last name unknown]" |
i will say a couple of the benefits, like the $10 one and the $20 one, seem a little petty
haha some former student athlete named Mahlon Carey is named for giving a player $5
wonder if the $50 that Chris Hawkins gave a player was 50 bucks, or a gram of coke
[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 8:14 PM. Reason : .]6/21/2011 8:10:45 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25535 Posts user info edit post |
^LOL was gonna post the same thing.
[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 8:12 PM. Reason : Willie Parker?] 6/21/2011 8:11:51 PM |
face All American 8503 Posts user info edit post |
HAHHAHAHAHA I FUCKING LOVE IT.
Man we could get the biggest bounce ever in recruiting from this the next couple of years. 6/21/2011 8:12:10 PM |
DalesDeadBug In Pressed Silk 2978 Posts user info edit post |
can't wait for UNC's response on this one 6/21/2011 8:13:18 PM |
Bullet All American 28417 Posts user info edit post |
i'll believe it when i see it.
simmer down 6/21/2011 8:15:08 PM |
ncsuftw1 BEAP BEAP 15126 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Whoa. Apparently a player told UNC about Chris Hawkins and potential improper benefits and UNC did not "adequately follow up on information"" |
LOIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!6/21/2011 8:15:57 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25535 Posts user info edit post |
LOL at Blake denying working for ProTect when it was listed as a former employer of his on his credit report.
^Damn, that doesn't look good for UNC.
[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 8:17 PM. Reason : ] 6/21/2011 8:16:04 PM |
ncstateccc All American 2856 Posts user info edit post |
.
[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 8:17 PM. Reason : nevermind] 6/21/2011 8:16:11 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
Blake was getting money from Wichard as far back as prior to the 2007 season
i don't wanna bust too soon but this seems really, really bad for UNC] 6/21/2011 8:17:52 PM |
BluBalls All American 576 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "CHAPEL HILL - The University of North Carolina announced today it has received a notice of allegations from the NCAA pertaining to its football program. This notice reflects 12 months of investigation by the NCAA and the University. The University has cooperated fully with the NCAA." |
What?6/21/2011 8:18:17 PM |
Ernie All American 45943 Posts user info edit post |
Get with it Andy Staples
6/21/2011 8:19:29 PM |
ncsuftw1 BEAP BEAP 15126 Posts user info edit post |
i'd hate to be on the team that has to find all this information the ncaa wants for every violation, that is a ton of info they may or may not be able to find
Quote : | "RT @slmandel: Of significance: No Lack of Institutional Control charge. But Failure to Monitor, which is nearly as serious.
RT @starnewsacc: Also, A LOT of instances of "false and misleading information" provided to NCAA. So much for that "full cooperation" Baddour crows about" |
[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 8:20 PM. Reason : ]
[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 8:22 PM. Reason : ]6/21/2011 8:19:35 PM |
ParksNrec All American 8742 Posts user info edit post |
I am so happy reading this. 6/21/2011 8:20:42 PM |
MrLuvaLuva85 All American 4265 Posts user info edit post |
lol at possibly vacating 3 years of wins...good thing we beat them all those years...so no talking on their part 6/21/2011 8:21:17 PM |
CHunter2 All American 579 Posts user info edit post |
I read all 26 pages. I am so happy. 6/21/2011 8:22:00 PM |
MrLuvaLuva85 All American 4265 Posts user info edit post |
butch davis is either blind or stupid or a sneaky MF 6/21/2011 8:24:00 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
their spin will be "we already knew all of this, but theres no LOIC, nothing to see here, move along" 6/21/2011 8:24:23 PM |
face All American 8503 Posts user info edit post |
This is the ultimate. It's not the death sentence that gives UNC fans the easy "oh we dont care about football".
but it's several years of probation, probably some house clearing (Butch has to go for god's sake right?), terrible recruiting, and a laser eye on their program to prevent them from continuing to cheat.
We all knew cheating was rampant when UNC went from doormat to getting elite players at every position seemingly overnight. It didn't help that Butch had a terrible reputation coming in already. If this is just the stuff they got caught doing, imagine what all was going on behind the scenes.
It's funny how much money they are going to lose on their stadium expansion now that their team will suck. I just hope the taxpayers don't foot the bill. But even if they do it will be the best fucking use of taxpayer dollars I've ever paid.
Eat a big dick Carolina hahahhaaha 6/21/2011 8:27:35 PM |
dweedle All American 77386 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "It didn't help that Butch had a terrible reputation coming in already." |
ABCing aside, I always hear (maybe it's from UNC people though) that BMFD was known for "cleaning up" Miami6/21/2011 8:29:23 PM |
ncsuftw1 BEAP BEAP 15126 Posts user info edit post |
honestly at this rate why would we really want butch gone 6/21/2011 8:30:11 PM |
ncsuapex SpaceForRent 37776 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "State fans are to stupid to know that this document tells us nothing that we, or anyone else, didnt already know." |
Quote : | " Don't have time to read all that ****, any penalties?" |
Hmmmm who is too stupid to know what a NOA is??6/21/2011 8:30:45 PM |
ddf583 All American 2950 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "butch davis is either blind or stupid or a sneaky MF" |
The notion that Butch Davis didn't know or wasn't involved in this stuff is preposterous. You're not going to be a division 1 head coach unless you're a type A personality control freak. They way I see it, part of doing your job well is keeping yourself properly insulated from potential investigation.
Of course Pete Carroll knew about the stuff at USC.
Of course Jim Tressel knew about the stuff at OSU.
Of course Butch Davis knew about the stuff at UNC.
The only question on the matter is if it can be traced to him.6/21/2011 8:32:48 PM |