Swap the players, play the game again and Gott would lose there too... ugh

[Edited on January 27, 2016 at 11:13 PM. Reason : ]

1/27/2016 11:12:54 PM

https://youtu.be/oC8yMlDEAFU?t=3m38s

1/28/2016 12:35:58 AM

For a top ten coach in the country (as many of you called him, especially in response to something I said) at a MAJOR basketball program, this HAS to get better.

1/28/2016 1:15:26 AM

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"ah yes, basketball, the sport people care about when they suck at football. "

1/28/2016 1:15:56 AM

pretty much, but this thread is under that assumption

1/28/2016 1:16:16 AM

maybe muh Vawls won't suck at football next year so you can stop caring about basketball

1/28/2016 1:19:28 AM

like you wouldnt trade places... you are losing your touch in your old age. Just give up and keep it about NC State Wolfpack sports

1/28/2016 1:21:14 AM

huh? you said people only care about basketball when they suck at football. you seem to care a lot about basketball, evidenced by multiple posts in basketball threads. pretty simple, really.

1/28/2016 1:22:30 AM

na, this is about NC State bball... my former second school before TWW asshole fans ruined it

1/28/2016 1:38:58 AM

so...you care about nc state basketball because nc state sucks at football? you're weird

[Edited on January 28, 2016 at 2:22 AM. Reason : .]

1/28/2016 2:21:47 AM

A lot of people who post here are weird. Especially the ones that emote all over threads after a loss.

1/28/2016 9:24:14 AM

^^ i think it was past jibbs' bedtime

1/28/2016 9:28:19 AM

^^ Agree. Those are the worst

1/28/2016 9:52:15 AM

No issue holding Gott and Staff responsible, but at some point the players have to show up.

Not on Gott that Freeman can't make a layup(how many easy misses has he had over the years from 2 feet out?)
Anya can't grab the ball, seriously he's good for a missed rebound or two a game the goes off his hands right to the other team for a layup.
Abu / Cat alley-oops - they usually miss on 1-2 of those a game. He is open on that backside cut often and we send it 3 feet over his head consistently.
One twin is good and the other is bad. They are never both good at the same time.
An important player broke his ankle.

When losing close games the above make a huge difference. Especially when a lot of those mistakes end up being easy points the other direction. I actually think he has done OK putting the team in position to have won more games, but the players need to hold up their end too.

1/28/2016 9:52:26 AM

^can't disagree. this season sucks. we're close to being a solid team but we're missing a piece or two...and maybe that missing piece is henderson. anya and freeman just aren't very good. maverick and caleb have kinda been forced into a role they aren't ready for. next year will be interesting...#1 PG in the nation, healthy henderson, dorn will be eligible...and fingers crossed no early departures aside from Cat leaving.

1/28/2016 10:00:33 AM

^^ but that's kinda the point. How many games did we lose last year bc Anya didnt block-out on a late rebound? If your team/players have a weakness, you address it. If that doenst work, you readdress it. Maybe GOTT has reached his ceiling. If youre happy with the success of the last couple years, you will just have to overlook this season. If the last couple seasons dont do it for you, this season should be the breaking point.

Personally, when the announcers were saying that we cant even call the UNC-NCState game a rivalry bc they whoop our ass every time, it hurt.

[Edited on January 28, 2016 at 10:05 AM. Reason : ^^*]

1/28/2016 10:04:19 AM

Just to add to ^, defense is an effort thing. These guys know how to play defense, they just don't do it well. We know they are capable, they did it against Pitt.

Gottfried said in an interview a little while ago that "83 points should be enough to win the game." He knows his guys aren't playing solid D, but he can't get out there an play it for them.

1/28/2016 10:05:36 AM

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" If the last couple seasons dont do it for you, this season should be the breaking point."

lol. For sure, fire the guy. This is def a breaking point. Fire his ass.

We really have the most delusional fanbase ever.

1/28/2016 10:28:12 AM

^^played great D @UNC last year and even this year played solid D in Chapel Hill. It's a lack of consistent effort, IMO.

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"Maybe GOTT has reached his ceiling. If youre happy with the success of the last couple years, you will just have to overlook this season. If the last couple seasons dont do it for you, this season should be the breaking point. "

If the last couple seasons don't do it for you, then what the hell are you expecting? I get that we all wanna win titles. But the last 4 years have been the most exciting, successful seasons in my lifetime. Herb's 5 NCAAT years were definitely good, but I'd rank these 4 years of Gott ahead of those seasons.

1/28/2016 11:01:54 AM

no way. we actually had a few good seasons under herb. none of these seasons have been good. we were bubble teams all the way and any of those teams could have been left out on selection sunday with a few more conference tournament upsets.

the 1 year we were solidly in was the year we had top 5 talent and got steamrolled by 9 seed temple.

i dont think we've been in the top 25 during any other gott season and we most certainly haven't sniffed competing for an acc championship. those are things we did under herb.

2 wins (1 big) at the end of the season is cool but no its not what we're hoping for. you can't just measure the entire season based on the first weekend of the ncaa tournament.

1/28/2016 11:51:10 AM

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/north-carolina-state/

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1/28/2016 12:05:34 PM

Shut the fuck up, Earl.

1/28/2016 12:06:08 PM

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"i dont think we've been in the top 25 during any other gott season "

Rule One of Sports Talk but we finished #24 last season.....

1/28/2016 2:03:45 PM

that was after the tournament. I said during the season and went on to talk about how I don't think 2 good games fixes the season for me. That was the main point of the post and you missed it.

1/28/2016 2:08:09 PM

Fuck Earl but he's right. 2 sweet 16s is nice and all, we still finished outside the Top 4 in the ACC Standings all the years, which automatically puts us at a disadvantage for the ACCT(having to play an extra day). We should strive to be a perennial top 25 program like Louisville is. Lets not beat around the bush.

1/28/2016 2:12:09 PM

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"most certainly haven't sniffed competing for an acc championship. those are things we did under herb."

Funny you give people shit for comparing "Tom O'Brien's ACC" to "Dave Doeren's ACC" with all the extra teams, yet you make this clown ass basketball analogy about competing for the ACC "regular season championship" during the Doherty years when there were like 9 teams in the conference.

1/28/2016 2:15:19 PM

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"no way. we actually had a few good seasons under herb. none of these seasons have been good. we were bubble teams all the way and any of those teams could have been left out on selection sunday with a few more conference tournament upsets. "

we were better than a 7 seed once in those 5 herb years. yes, that's a higher seed than gott. but let's not act like herb's teams were all top 5 seeds or anything like that. he had two years as a 10 seed and a 9 seed too.

i'll take two sweet 16s over one every time. especially when that is the height of your program over the last 25+ years.

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"Fuck Earl but he's right. 2 sweet 16s is nice and all, we still finished outside the Top 4 in the ACC Standings all the years, which automatically puts us at a disadvantage for the ACCT(having to play an extra day). We should strive to be a perennial top 25 program like Louisville is. Lets not beat around the bush."

well of course we should strive for that. the fans want that.

[Edited on January 28, 2016 at 2:24 PM. Reason : f]

1/28/2016 2:22:25 PM

So fire Gott and hire a new coach? We still have to compete against UNC/Duke for the top in state talent, and the new ACC is stack. I don't see no point in firing Gott or less we bring in a proven NBA coach.

[Edited on January 28, 2016 at 10:47 PM. Reason : .]

1/28/2016 10:46:21 PM

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"2 sweet 16s is nice and all"

you are goddamn right they are nice. they are fucking awesome. even more so considering we were lower seeds.

top 4 in the ACC? Who gives a shit, there's nothing memorable about that

1/28/2016 11:28:34 PM

Some people would rather look good in November, December, January and February than be 4 consecutive wins from the promised land in March/April

obviously most people would rather play well in both the regular season and post-season. but give me one or the other, and it's a no-brainer

[Edited on January 29, 2016 at 12:07 AM. Reason : .]

1/29/2016 12:03:01 AM

Thank goodness people are now understanding that while Gotts 4 seasons here have been successful in theory(2 Sweet 16s) we haven't contended for any banners (ACC titles/NCAA). Sneaking into the tounament three out of four years just don't cut it for me. The one year we had talent to make a deep run and predicted to win a conference title we played zero defense during the season and got our ass handed to us in the NCAA. While I like Gott, his ceiling is a Sweet 16 every now and then and we will NEVER win an ACC title with him as coach.

1/29/2016 2:45:31 AM

^Thank god you pointed that out. I was really confused for a while in THEORY(I used this word right?), but now I'm finally understanding a more tangible truth(A proven theory?). THANK goodness for sure, I'm glad every now and then(50% of the time) he does well and makes the Sweet 16, but yes clearly it is about banners(BANNERS!)! Our CEILING should have banners ON them(see what I did there?) They made a 30 for 30 about us for crying out loud, who cares if we have been largely irrelevant for 25 years(Thanks Hakeem for having the same Box out skills as Anya!). If Ole Miss can be good at football(Bag Men = Ballers?) surely we can be good at basketball. Same thing right(Believe and Achieve!)??

Everyone, if we all just collectively HOPE, and not SETTLE(Banners or Bust!) and really think hard about the BANNERS(More Banners or Bust!), we can all create change(The good kind, not the Obama kind). Otherwise things will NEVER be good. You will DIE alone. In theory. But I do like Gott.

1/29/2016 6:56:58 AM

We've been saying all year that it's a bad year and he is fine regardless of it. Losing a few more games doesn't make it any worse for him. He's fine, we're going to be stacked next year (Cat/DSJ/Henderson/Dorn/Mav/Martin/Martin/Kirk/Freeman/Abu/Anya). It's really after 5-6 of them leave after next year that he has to worry about

1/29/2016 7:18:56 AM

I wish I lived in your fantasy land.

1/29/2016 7:33:09 AM

^^dawg, cat ain't gonna be here next year.

1/29/2016 7:44:14 AM

I'd rather compete for ACC championships than make the sweet 16 every other year.

1/29/2016 9:18:59 AM

We were 1 game away from competing for the ACC Championship 3 of the last 4 years

1/29/2016 9:29:37 AM

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"I'd rather compete for ACC championships than make the sweet 16 every other year"

So you are saying you'd like to each year be a 1-4 seed in the tournament and get dumped out the first weekend?

Sure

1/29/2016 9:58:59 AM

Be a consistent 1-4 seed and you will reach the Final Four every once in a while(its ok if you lose to Mercer/ LeHigh every every other year). What Gott is doing is neither sustained success nor sustainable. But I'll take it over the Lowe years.

Build a program like what Maryland(barf) is doing. I'm OK if we miss tournaments all together as long as the coach knows what he's doing. Lucking into sweet 16s means nothing if we do not build on it nom saying.

[Edited on January 29, 2016 at 10:08 AM. Reason : ]

1/29/2016 10:06:09 AM

yall stupid

1/29/2016 10:11:30 AM

How do you know the coach knows what he's doing if he is missing tournaments?

1/29/2016 10:13:07 AM

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"yall stupid"

1/29/2016 10:17:16 AM

yeah amnesty for this year but next year is going to be under the microscope.

1/29/2016 10:25:11 AM

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"For a top ten coach in the country (as many of you called him, especially in response to something I said) at a MAJOR basketball program, this HAS to get better."

Responding to a Jibbles post, what I am doing? Who ever said Gott was a Top 10 coach? That has to be JB trolling.

As for the regular season vs. Sweet 16 success, UVA is a good example of this. They have been awesome the past two years in the regular season, but flamed out in the tourney both times. I'd personally take an ACC title over Sweet-16 at this point, but UVA fans where live (in VA) are all disappointed about the last two years while I was pretty happy about our 16 appearance.

As for firing Gott, that is fucking crazy. Guy deserves criticism for a lot of things, but firing him is asinine. We can't continue to hit reset every 4-6 years on coaches in the two main sports.

1/29/2016 10:29:37 AM

you have to set expectations and hold coaches to them. you can't set expectations and then lower them because the coach doesn't meet them. What, in your opinion, has to happen for Gott to deserved to be fired?

For me, if we don't make it safely into the tournament before DSJ is gone which is probably just next year, I'll be ready to move on. If we do, I'll come up with a new objective for the following 2 years.

1/29/2016 10:36:26 AM

Safely? Lol

1/29/2016 10:47:34 AM

yeah. being a lock going into the accT. Many years we've relied on ours and other conference tournaments to help us get in.

The sweet 16s are not so impressive because almost anyone can upset 1 top team anytime but we have never been able to follow that up with another big win in the regular season, conference or ncaa tournament. You have to win 3 big games in a row to win a conference tournament or make the final four. If you can't show the consistency required to finish in the top 3rd of the conference, theres no way you're going to win 3 big games in a row.

The first game of the tournament is against a team like us. Theres tons of teams like that in the NIT. So basically making the sweet 16 means beating a team like nova which is a great accomplishment but beating duke last year was pretty much the same type of thing. Everyone knew we would come back and lose to louisville even though we already beat them because we were never consistent enough to win another game like that in a row. Thats the consistency that teams high in standings show. Thats the part about the regular season i don't think people understand.

duke losing in the 1st round is different because anybody can lose any game but i rather be the team that has the low chance of losing in the first round but also has a chance of winning 4 games in a row than to be the team that has no chance of winning 4 in a row but somehow finds a way to win 2.

Lowe and most decent programs can pull off 1 or 2 wins like that per season.

I want to go to the next level.

1/29/2016 10:59:43 AM

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"Be a consistent 1-4 seed and you will reach the Final Four every once in a while(its ok if you lose to Mercer/ LeHigh every every other year). What Gott is doing is neither sustained success nor sustainable. But I'll take it over the Lowe years. Build a program like what Maryland(barf) is doing. I'm OK if we miss tournaments all together as long as the coach knows what he's doing. Lucking into sweet 16s means nothing if we do not build on it nom saying."

I agree with this...

Also, if we were one game away from ACC championship 3 of the past 4 years then BC was only 3 games away every year. They are close.

1/29/2016 11:42:17 AM

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"if we were one game away from ACC championship 3 of the past 4 years then BC was only 3 games away every year."

um, what?

1/29/2016 11:44:49 AM

As long as we have to play an extra day in the acct, that's almost impossible to win too

1/29/2016 11:55:48 AM