Out of curiosity, anybody concealed carry with a cross-draw holster? I'm seriously contemplating this since I already wear stuff on my belt's right side, but was wondering what kind of feedback y'all might have if you've tried this. I've got my eye on this particular holster since it seems like it could accomplish this fairly well:

http://www.fobusholster.com/products/H_K_P2000_SK_COMPACT_ROTO_HOLSTER_BELT-3767-36.html

5/25/2012 10:26:30 AM

holly shit a bull-pup 12 gauge

5/25/2012 12:49:07 PM

^ Needs a drum.

5/25/2012 12:52:14 PM

WANT!

5/25/2012 12:52:36 PM

my friend just ordered one and he rocks a 30rd drum in his siaga-12 pre-bull-pup so i'm sure i'll get a pic with the drum

5/25/2012 12:54:44 PM

I was in until I saw the price tag.

5/25/2012 1:20:08 PM

kushnapup has been around forever jacking peoples money.

only now in the past month have they started delivering those things.

remember you only get that top rail if you order the separate railed gas tube, and thats not exactly the best place to mount anything.

furthermore do you really want a little wire running from your stock trigger to the kushnapup trigger? yeah, thats how they make it work.

on top of that the stock saiga trigger already sucks donkey balls and if you modify it the kushnapup wont work anymore. it only works on non converted saigas.

anyone whos had a stock saiga knows the trigger sucks. it sucks because its moved back from an ak position to work with those shitty sporter stocks. to do this they have two little levers in there working against each other and they look like they were machined by some blind drunken idiot (probably were). you remove all this useless shit when you convert it and the trigger acts directly on the sear.

so to rehash, your shitty trigger pulls a shitty cord that acts on two shitty levers and pulls another shitty trigger.

yay. all this so a 12 gauge can smack you in the most terrible way. mall ninjas need only apply.

please dont buy one.

5/25/2012 3:21:13 PM

lol me... i would never...

i dont even want an ak based shotgun I told you benelli or Beretta with tube extension.

Sorry... i don't operate rigged guns lol.


[Edited on May 25, 2012 at 3:29 PM. Reason : .]

5/25/2012 3:27:46 PM

today on CSF i saw an old 80s police model smith wesson 3000 riot shotgun still NIB.

would be cool until it needed parts (if ever).

5/25/2012 3:36:52 PM

Axelay- Friends don't let friends buy Fobus. They are crappy holsters that are very prone to breaking.

I carry crossdraw with a comp-tac on some occasions.

[Edited on May 25, 2012 at 4:44 PM. Reason : .]

5/25/2012 4:36:14 PM

I want a bullpup 12ga that doesn't break the bank..

FML. lol

5/25/2012 11:12:55 PM

The only holsters I own any more in the roto molded style are Fobus. Yes, they are basic, and inexpensive. However, I can get them for some guns that nobody else makes a holster for, and I prefer all my EDC guns be in identical holsters. st least for strong side belt carry.

5/25/2012 11:25:56 PM

I've been really impressed w/ my Aimpoint PRO so much easier to shoot at varying distances vs. the EOTECH.

5/25/2012 11:32:16 PM

Ah too bad about the bullpup. I have never been a big fan of saiga's anyways so one rigged up like described? No thanks.

5/25/2012 11:50:26 PM

Very, very happy right now.

5/27/2012 6:07:57 PM

Very nice! I really want to get a USP in .45, just absolutely love how those guns shoot.

5/27/2012 6:40:01 PM

Quote :

"Axelay- Friends don't let friends buy Fobus. They are crappy holsters that are very prone to breaking. I carry crossdraw with a comp-tac on some occasions. "

Huh. OK, I will shop around. I'm kinda hoping I can find something local just so I can try out the fit and placement. I really don't want to buy something like this online unless I am certain that it's going to be exactly what I want.

5/27/2012 11:35:18 PM

Tons of people play holster shuffle, check some of the more popular gun boards and you will be able to find some barely used holsters from those who ordered one and didn't like it. I have never been in a gun shop that carried a line of holster I really wanted, all my buying has been online. I have the comtac minotaur for my G19 and it is a fantastic holster, was between that and the crossbreed which I assume is still a fine option.

5/28/2012 11:48:41 AM

Took my 1911 and P3AT to the range on Saturday. Friend from work went with me; brought an XDm 9mm, LCP, compact Glock (.40 S&W?), and compact Ruger.

I shot the Ruger (the compact, not LCP) and the XDm, and schooled him with both.


I pretty much don't like anything that isn't single-action or at least DA/SA, and that XDm certainly doesn't have the trigger feel of my 1911, but I shot it about as well as my 1911 and it holds nearly triple the capacity for half the price (or maybe a little more). I might need to pick one of those things up.

5/28/2012 11:49:53 PM

yeah its hard to find good holsters in stock at gun stores. The crossbreed holsters are popular, though if you don't want to pay that much you can keep an eye out on http://www.crossbreedseconds.com for a good deal. It's where they sell their holsters that have some sort of blemish or something but the functionality of the holster isn't compromised

5/29/2012 7:45:32 AM

nice shooting duke.

5/29/2012 8:28:11 AM

^^bout that...whats the deal with them only accepting CASH via mail?

5/29/2012 10:07:15 AM

OK, next question. Anyone ever attempted re-bluing the finish on one of their guns? I'm only thinking in terms of a very small touch-up.

5/29/2012 10:31:24 AM

you know some gun people are paranoid as hell about things... like the integrity of financial institutions...

i bet all their mattresses are full of cash.

5/29/2012 10:31:29 AM

ive blued entire guns before as well as small touchups.

whats up.

5/29/2012 7:33:02 PM

Are there any opportunities for buying ammo in bulk that are any significant amount cheaper than just buying boxes at Wal-Mart? .45 ACP, specifically. There are a few of us at work who all shoot .45, and we could probably get together and buy a whole shitpile of range ammo to split between us.

5/29/2012 10:25:06 PM

I buy in bulk from
ammunitiontogo.com
ammoman.com
georgia-arms.com

all of those come out cheaper than walmart when buying by the 500-1000 rounds or more.

5/29/2012 10:29:14 PM

^^ I'd talk to someone at a local shop first and see if they'll do a bulk discount. Most will give you a good percentage off and then you don't have to worry about shipping. Online can still be a good deal, just watch shipping. If you are not real picky some local shops will make large buys at shows and stuff and sell some cases for cheap.

5/30/2012 7:40:51 AM

Quote :

"OK, next question. Anyone ever attempted re-bluing the finish on one of their guns? I'm only thinking in terms of a very small touch-up."

Cold blue isn't durable and is usually splotchy. That said, it works well to hide really small scratched or scuffs. Just make sure you clean the spot very well before you apply the blue. It needs to be degreased with acetone or MEK or else it won't blue well or will show color inconsistencies. Also, if you do multiple applications and steel wool between applications then be sure to clean with acetone after the steel wool as steel wool has oil in it.
I've had better luck with birchwood casey's paste cold blue than their liquid.

5/30/2012 8:50:07 AM

300BLK Subsonic

5/30/2012 2:31:02 PM

OUCH...

but i still don't get reduced power ammo really. I guess sub sonic would be super quiet with a suppressor on it.

but seriously... its a 7.62mm bullet with similar ballistics to 200 grain .45 acp.

I guess i buy a rifle to shoot rifle rounds and i don't see a point in anything else.

maybe for piercing armor? but then you wouldn't be shooting hollow points... so i dunno.


[Edited on May 30, 2012 at 2:43 PM. Reason : .]

5/30/2012 2:40:44 PM

^ subsonic 300blk with a suppressor has the potential to be extremely quiet

Switch to a supersonic mag and you're back to full power

5/30/2012 2:44:22 PM

got ya... .

when i get a house i'm going to have to get into re-loading.

5/30/2012 2:50:29 PM

y'all know of any ranges within reasonable distance of the pinehurst area? or, better yet, someone who has some land they shoot on that would help a brother out?

5/30/2012 6:45:32 PM

Quote :

"Cold blue isn't durable and is usually splotchy. That said, it works well to hide really small scratched or scuffs. Just make sure you clean the spot very well before you apply the blue. It needs to be degreased with acetone or MEK or else it won't blue well or will show color inconsistencies. Also, if you do multiple applications and steel wool between applications then be sure to clean with acetone after the steel wool as steel wool has oil in it. I've had better luck with birchwood casey's paste cold blue than their liquid."

Hmmm. I may not want to do this myself, as the part which needs some touching up is the slide release. Not really sure why, but both sides appear to have seen some decent wear. My USP has never shown anything like this.

5/30/2012 6:49:06 PM

i'd just touch something like that up. the only way to keep a gun absolutely perfect is to not use it and that's just stupid.

5/30/2012 6:50:33 PM

Man, I'm super jealous...a team we are training w/ issues their guys custom rifles (Troy Upper/Larue Lower w/ a Surefire suppressor) and STI's.

5/30/2012 8:23:34 PM

STI a/rs are as awesome as their pistols?

5/30/2012 10:05:32 PM

So, Ar-10 vs m14


why are the ar-10s sooooo much cheaper? Is it just because there is a billion of them or is it because the m14 is better?

5/31/2012 3:07:37 PM

i thought the AR-10 and the M1A are about the same price

5/31/2012 3:51:26 PM

yeah i guess so.. its the heavy barrel versions that seem to differ a bunch

ar-10 standard seems to run about 1k
heavy barrel derivatives 1500-3000

m1a / m14 seems to be about 1500
heavy barrel derivatives 3000-4000

I think mostly because the m1a marksman rifles all have trigger jobs done on them and some of the ar-10s are just heavy barrel uppers on a standard ar-10 lower.

and the veprs are cheap as shit and seem very well made... but i don't know anyone with any experience with them.

I like the FN- FNAR too

5/31/2012 4:14:25 PM

Quote :

"STI a/rs are as awesome as their pistols?"

I should have qualified that; they are issued STI pistols as their sidearm.

In other news, that was a great Rifle/Pistol school I went to. If anyone can make it out to the Triad and attend one of Sansour's civilian classes, I would highly recommend it - the man is no nonsense, no gimmicks just a flat out marksman.

5/31/2012 6:39:00 PM

i have experience with veprs but i dont own one. yes they are very well made.

m1a in my experience is vastly superior to an AR in every way, but i admittedly hate ARs with a passion so take that for what its worth.

i wouldnt advise buying one of the SOCOM versions or the scout. the barrel is too short for a 308 and the muzzlebrake isnt very well designed imo.

everyone will hate you when you shoot it and it will kick up a bunch of leaves and shit. its too expensive just to buy as a noisy gimmick; just buy an M44 if thats your objective. the gas system is shortened and non-standard as well, so any replacement parts are harder to find and more expensive.

just get an m1a loaded. at the same time if youre planning a bunch of mods thats definitely not the cheapest platform to start with. if you just want a ready to go shooter though...

5/31/2012 6:42:16 PM

Quote :

"m1a in my experience is vastly superior to an AR in every way, but i admittedly hate ARs with a passion so take that for what its worth."

i love the m14/m1a as much as the next guy, but i cannot think of a single way, other than nostalgia, that the m14 platform is better than the AR platform

5/31/2012 7:37:45 PM

there are plenty of threads and articles online comparing the two platforms

5/31/2012 7:48:47 PM

I could use your opinions here:
http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=627953

5/31/2012 8:42:12 PM

m16 weighs less and any given trooper can carry more rounds.

so in testing they established how much fire a company could put downrange.

in destructive ability, im assuming calculated by marksmanship and throw weight, the m16 was deemed superior.

the m14 was already getting a bad wrap from wooden stocks swelling in vietnam.

but im going to go out on a limb here because ive read many of the forums hashing this shit out...

most of the true problems with the m14 were either retarded excuses (like uncontrollable during full auto, well no shit, thats not what it was for- please go grab an m60 and lay the fuck down), or the complaints of not very good soliders. the army was naive in thinking the m14 could replace as many platforms as they intended, but the m60 was coming into being and the m14 didnt need full auto capability. and the fact these two guns used the same cartridge could have been a big logistics advantage.

now i dont want to offend anyone, and God knows i would probably be a pretty shitty soldier, but in my opinion the standard GI that was drafted for vietnam wasnt exactly the same caliber recruit they were getting for ww2. i mean jesus christ, ever held a garand? it weighs a fucking ton! those guys carried them all over europe for who knows how many miles without complaining at all.

LOADED DOWN WITH 30-06, much heavier than 308.

nobody wants to say it but to me it seems we had a bunch of (not all of them) whiny little weiners in vietnam that wanted a plastic toy. dont forget the m16 had so many problems when it was first introduced they army panicked and thought they replaced one shit sandwich with another.

to me the AR platform is the goddamn chevy smallblock of the gun world. everyone has one, yeah its great, yeah its only amazing because its been thrashed for half a century, but goddamn, its generic as fuck.

no personality at all. it only has a huge aftermarket because its been around so long, but it hasnt been around long enough to really be a classic, and its not really usually chambered in an exciting cartridge.

i hate the 223 (sorry, this is turning into a rant). i think its a chickenshit varmint round and i think in military usage its designed to maim people, not stop them. bullets are designed to yaw, and im sorry, but after we started plinking and destroying people (not in a good way) with it in vietnam, the russians copied it with great success in the 5.45 and started tearing people to shreds in afghanistan.

now they also made a mistake because they couldnt shoot through masonry walls with it and fell back on the 7.62...

POINT BEING the 223/556 is circumventing treaties and i dont think we should be the ones being copied by the russians for maiming people. i dont think they were copying us because of the cartridges effectiveness, i think they were copying us because russians are shitheads and wanted a terror weapon. i dont think we initially designed it as such, we designed it for cheapness and whiny soldiers and had to do anything to increase killing power.

all the old school and seasoned troopers much preferred the 308 and held onto them long after the m16s introduction in southeast asia. all the marksmen wanted it, all the people seriously trying to hit anything in heavy brush fights wanted it, in my opinion all the real soldiers wanted it.

those who didnt want to carry something heavy and wanted to make noise plinking at a bunch of ghosts just trying to make it back each day? yeah they wanted the m16 (not trying to be disrespectful).

i wish the chevy smallblock and AR platform and 223/556 would all die

i dont play video games and this isnt armchair racing, but even if i did, lo and behold, most all videogames are loaded down with a bunch of AR shit.

i attribute that to being another key player in the modern ARs popularity (which i also find disheartening).

ill also say this- ive never shot at a single living thing my entire life and probably never will, not even a squirrel. if i did want to harvest squirrels and not spend a lot of money id probably grab a 223. all my shooting is done at local ranges or at my house simply because i find it interesting. 1) im a guy, 2) i was a history major briefly and wanted to concentrate on military history, 3) most all my reading is historical nonfiction (usually military based).

all the calibers i currently shoot or reload are heavy and im a fairly small guy. again, ive been in no war but these things dont push me around at all anymore. i cant fathom that the 223 was the most that the average grunt could take in vietnam. i just cant wrap my brain around that! a 308 isnt shit compared to any safari caliber i shoot or my 45-70. hell, the US army round going into the 20th century, maybe they should bring that back? oh yeah! they are with the 50 beowulf and 458 socom! identical ballistics! OH FUCK ME, THEY USE AN AR PLATFORM (i cant fucking win).

i refuse to embrace the dark side, judge me all you want. maybe im a firearm hipster

sorry for the essay and possible disrespect of vets (none intended).

[Edited on May 31, 2012 at 9:32 PM. Reason : -]

5/31/2012 9:27:14 PM

my dad fired 2 mini guns 2 20mm vulcans a 40mm and a 108 in 'nam..and when his plane got shot down he grabbed a 12 gauge off the rack...

no offense taken.

i'm getting another .30cal for the reason that its the weakest round that i can warrant practicing with....

I figure if i do end up shooting a .223 for anything it's like throwing a "medicine ball"

The only reason i'm considering an ar-10 at all is because i really do want the best shooting gun i can get for the money.

The more i play with stuff.. i'm becoming an FN junky and the fnar seems like a sick gun pretty much a browning BAR with a clip.

5/31/2012 9:54:44 PM

found this just now and found it relevant:

Quote :

"Personally I think the Russians had it right from the beginning. Arm the bulk of your force with the intermediate cartridge, mid range rifles with lots of ammo and give each group a designated marksman with a longer range/semi precision rifle that is still capable of being fired fast and reloaded quickly. Pretty much what we are doing now with the M1A/14."

this was said in response to:

Quote :

"Better as a military rifle? The M-14 lasted a total of seven years as a first line issue rifle, the M-16 has lasted forty years and is still going strong. The Military made their choice a long time ago and it has proven an effective one. I'm sure lots of experts will chime in about the overall superiority of the M-14, but that hasn't been the real world experience for over forty years. As a matter of fact, there are thousands of M-14's being used today in the sandbox. Goodluck trying to buy a new M-14 from Springfield Armory.... there all being sent over seas as fast as they can make 'em. What Jungle said is outright wrong. There is a HUGE demand for these rifles from the boots on the ground."

this made me smile:

Quote :

"Two different animals with 2 different purposes. One is a full power battle rifle that can engage targets at extreme long range. The other is a select-fire assault rifle that can be customized for just about any job. What's a better vehicle? A boat or an airplane?"

[Edited on May 31, 2012 at 10:02 PM. Reason : -]

5/31/2012 9:58:32 PM

imho the m14 is a marksman gun... yes it kicks more and is more difficult to get 2 rounds on target... but.. you don't have to get 2 rounds on target because you're putting 160 grains down range rather then 50-60.

the m16 is a sprayer chosen because the lower recoil allows more rounds to be put down range.

[Edited on May 31, 2012 at 10:05 PM. Reason : .]

5/31/2012 10:04:58 PM