6/21/2011 8:33:27 PM

Butch Davis deserves a lifetime contract and a statue erected in his honor, he is a golden god in my eyes.

Unfortunately, there's absolutely no way he survives this

6/21/2011 8:33:41 PM

God...the thought of playing Carolina at C-F next season with BD as the helm would be

6/21/2011 8:35:13 PM

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"honestly at this rate why would we really want butch gone"

In theory, I agree. But firing Butch/forced resignation would make UNC start completely fresh. Probably with a "safe" hire as no big name coach would come to UNC especially considering the probation and sancations...forcing UNC to completely rebuild. But I'm happy either way.

[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 8:36 PM. Reason : Great post to start page 154 lol]

6/21/2011 8:35:46 PM

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"BMFD was known for "cleaning up" Miami"

Thats the perception, but before going to the Browns he was an assistant coach for the same Miami teams that he supposedly "cleaned up"

I find it hard to believe he had no idea what was going on at the U while he was an assistant coach

6/21/2011 8:36:32 PM

maybe they can somehow take away that bullshit bowl game win over Tennessee

[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 8:36 PM. Reason : d]

6/21/2011 8:36:39 PM

yeah no shit.

If one player was getting tattoos or free drinks at rum runners in exchange for wristbands and nike socks i'd completely believe the coach didn't know.

But to act like he doesn't know his D-line coach who just so happens to be pulling in 5star DT's left and right is working for a sports agency, half his starters are receiving thousands of $ worth of gear, trips, and cash.... and the tutors are paying parking tickets for thousands of dollars? Give me a fucking break.

If your wife came home late with a new necklace, scabs on her back, and a purple pussy you wouldn't just assume she was working late.

6/21/2011 8:37:21 PM

eww

6/21/2011 8:39:08 PM

as long as michael jordan went to uncch, their recruiting will be fine.

plus, their best football player ever loves working with high school kids.

6/21/2011 8:40:45 PM

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"ABCing aside, I always hear (maybe it's from UNC people though) that BMFD was known for "cleaning up" Miami"

He was a complete weasel while he was at Miami. He would put players on track/swimming scholarships to get around the penalties imposed by the NCAA (so much so I think the NCAA reworked some of their bylaws to get rid of this loophole). To say he was clean and "rebuilt a program" is revisionist history at its best considering he was on the staff that wrecked the program and has been associated with dirty fucks his entire career (a tradition he obviously continues).

6/21/2011 8:41:52 PM

^^lol

6/21/2011 8:42:09 PM

lol i went to IC and one of the first things I saw was some faggot posting "looks like a big yawner" to me

6/21/2011 8:45:06 PM

I see LOIC was not mentioned in the NOA...does that mean anything? Or is that a charge that wouldn't come until later?

6/21/2011 8:45:07 PM

they say the "failure to monitor" is almost as bad

6/21/2011 8:45:36 PM

I don't wanna trash our own program and I'm pretty sure the statue of limitations has passed.

But we all agree Chuck Amato was almost definitely dirty too right?


I happened to know a guy who worked for transportation (it was awesome if you got a ticket on campus and called him before 5 PM he could purge it from the system). Levar Fisher had a few thousand dollars worth of parking tickets alone. They booted his car for god's sake on campus after like his tenth one and he left it there for weeks while it piled up more tickets haha.

But Chucky never got caught. Eat it carolina hahaha.

6/21/2011 8:46:54 PM

BD was also a coach with the Cowboys during the 90s

he let dudes like Charles Haley do whatever they wanted, so i can't imagine he changed his philosophy much

6/21/2011 8:48:14 PM

^^If Amato was dirty, he was awful at it.

6/21/2011 8:52:19 PM

if butch isn't coach in the fall i won't post here for 6 months

6/21/2011 8:53:19 PM

so did they have a press conference, or what's the deal with that?

6/21/2011 8:55:15 PM

I agree with stingray, they are "all in" with butch davis

6/21/2011 8:55:41 PM

I think Davis might be a bargaining chip with the NCAA for reduced sanctions.

6/21/2011 8:57:36 PM

So does this all mean that the stuff dealing with the license plates/dealer tags is irrelevant?

6/21/2011 8:59:33 PM

Saw someone post this on Pack Pride:

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" Page 41, "A review of the institution’s obligations (contractual or otherwise) concerning live telecasts of contests during the next three seasons.""

Popcorn?

6/21/2011 8:59:56 PM

he'll either be coach in the fall, or fall guy

6/21/2011 9:00:00 PM

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"So does this all mean that the stuff dealing with the license plates/dealer tags is irrelevant?"

Probably means that the NCAA has some more investigating to do and some additions. I can't imagine illegal shit with players tags/cars is just going to be ignored by the NCAA.

6/21/2011 9:02:29 PM

^^^ i'm waiting to see if their TV contract requires announcers to refer to them being punished for cheating as "adversity"

[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 9:03 PM. Reason : 4]

6/21/2011 9:02:51 PM

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"The first two alleged violations involve impermissible academic help and monetary benefits provided by two tutors, Jennifer Wiley and one whose name was redacted from the letter released by the university."

i didn't realize there was more than one tutor involved

6/21/2011 9:06:57 PM

lack of mother fuckin institutional control.

6/21/2011 9:09:10 PM

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"RT @kenmedlin: Buried at the end of report - the NCAA asks for info regarding UNC's obligations concerning live telecasts for next 3 seasons"

This could be huge. May be getting a TV ban in addition to probation/loss of schollies...they also asked about bowl affiliation I believe...

6/21/2011 9:09:14 PM

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"I think Davis might be a bargaining chip with the NCAA for reduced sanctions."

Zero chance this happens. We'll be on probation for a few years, lose some schollies, and vacate a lot of wins. Nothing that has a major effect moving forward.

6/21/2011 9:09:20 PM

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/unc/story/9760333/

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" NCAA: Former UNC football coach, tutor and student-athletes violated NCAA bylaws CHAPEL HILL, N.C. — The University of North Carolina on Tuesday received a letter of allegations from an NCAA stemming from the NCAA's investigation into the football program which has been going on for over a year. The letter outlines six umbrellas of violations of NCAA bylaws: • Allegations against former assistant coach John Blake: - unethical conduct for providing false and misleading information to the NCAA enforcement staff and to the institution and for failure to cooperate with the investigation. - marketed athletic abilities of student-athletes to agent Gary Wichard - received outside income that he did not report to the institution • Allegations against alumna Jennifer Wiley: - unethical conduct for refusing to provide information to the NCAA enforcement staff and to the institution - provided extra benefits to student-athletes in the form of travel and parking expenses, and tutoring • Allegations of academic fraud against student-athletes and the tutor • Allegations that student-athletes received preferential treatment and accepted impermissible benefits • Allegations against a former student-athlete for unethical conduct • Failure by the institution to adequately monitor the conduct of Chris Hawkins, an individual triggering NCAA agent legislation; the social media activity of the football team for a period in 2010; and possible extra benefits to a student-athlete triggered by agent legislation. "

Letter here: http://www.wralsportsfan.com/asset/colleges/unc/2011/06/21/9761001/1308701906-Notice_of_Allegations_2.pdf

[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 9:11 PM. Reason : letter]

6/21/2011 9:09:45 PM

^^yet things that could have a major effect in the short term...less schollies will decrease talent unless you think blue chippers want to walk on, bowl/TV bans will turn off other recruits, and if the talent is down, thats probably going to mean the W/L record is going to decrease

They've stuck with Butch this long because he's been on the brink of being an ACC football power for the last few seasons...if he starts going 6-6 with average teams, the damage he's done to the school's reputation will outweigh mediocre results

6/21/2011 9:12:32 PM

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"Quote : "So does this all mean that the stuff dealing with the license plates/dealer tags is irrelevant?" Probably means that the NCAA has some more investigating to do and some additions. I can't imagine illegal shit with players tags/cars is just going to be ignored by the NCAA."

The NOA signals the end of the investigative phase. The NCAA has had the license plate/dealer tag info since last year.

6/21/2011 9:13:37 PM

NCAA knew about the plate stuff months and months ago

It took that long for UNC to turn over the info to the media

6/21/2011 9:14:30 PM

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"^^yet things that could have a major effect in the short term...less schollies will decrease talent unless you think blue chippers want to walk on, bowl/TV bans will turn off other recruits, and if the talent is down, thats probably going to mean the W/L record is going to decrease They've stuck with Butch this long because he's been on the brink of being an ACC football power for the last few seasons...if he starts going 6-6 with average teams, the damage he's done to the school's reputation will outweigh mediocre results"

It really all depends on how drastic the scholarship losses are. Significant scholarship reductions can be devastating but that's not going to be the case. Also, we finished 8-5 last season with the equivalent of massive scholarship reductions so I'm not all that worried about 3-4 for 3 years. Obviously it's not ideal but I can't remember the last time we carried a full 85 scholarship players anyway. Usually more like 82-83.

6/21/2011 9:18:43 PM

^^but did the NCAA link the plates to the guy in prison? That was just done by the media.

[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 9:19 PM. Reason : .]

6/21/2011 9:19:21 PM

we're going to see the word "rogue" used a lot by UNC fans in the coming days

6/21/2011 9:21:10 PM

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"The NOA signals the end of the investigative phase. The NCAA has had the license plate/dealer tag info since last year."

No, it doesn't.



The NOA is a statement of current allegations that can be amended at any time within the period of the investigation.



And if some of the things being said about the dealer who issued the tags are true, you can expect some FBI involvement as well.






Basically guys, just read all of JCTarheel's posts like this:



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[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 9:25 PM. Reason : SPIN]

6/21/2011 9:23:49 PM

I really want to know the reason Jennifer Wiley is taking the sword so hard for UNC. $? Relationship w/ Davis? W/ the players?

You know it wasn't her money being used for the parking/plane tickets. She refused to talk to the NCAA to protect someone. That bitch.

6/21/2011 9:24:12 PM

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6/21/2011 9:25:14 PM

^^ She'll do what i said waaaaaay earlier in the thread, you can bet money on it



someone big at UNC is paying her ass off



in a few years, she'll write a tell-all and make money from that shit, too. She's got the whole situation by the balls by being the fall girl right now.

[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 9:26 PM. Reason : .]

6/21/2011 9:26:29 PM

wait wait

Quote :

"If your wife came home late with a new necklace, scabs on her back, and a purple pussy you wouldn't just assume she was working late."

scabs on her back??

wtf are you doing in the bedroom?

6/21/2011 9:27:13 PM

rwoody's not on board

6/21/2011 9:28:24 PM

rally's girls get papercuts which turn into scabs from all his PER statistic sheets he has laying around his bedroom

6/21/2011 9:28:53 PM

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"The NOA is a statement of current allegations that can be amended at any time within the period of the investigation. And if some of the things being said about the dealer who issued the tags are true, you can expect some FBI involvement as well."

Don't forget the fictitious tags side of things as well. There are some potential legal issues here outside of the NCAA.

6/21/2011 9:30:00 PM

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"I really want to know the reason Jennifer Wiley is taking the sword so hard for UNC. $? Relationship w/ Davis? W/ the players? You know it wasn't her money being used for the parking/plane tickets. She refused to talk to the NCAA to protect someone. That bitch."

Her lawyer is Cheshire...the guy who represented the Duke LAX players. He isn't cheap. Someone is giving her big bucks.

6/21/2011 9:32:46 PM

I wish she would've hired Nifong's lawyer

6/21/2011 9:35:51 PM

dude if you're fucking a married girl you fuck on the carpet not the bed.

Have some respect.

[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 9:38 PM. Reason : a]

6/21/2011 9:37:58 PM

Here's a question: If you have multiple entities under your employment who lie when instructed to be truthful to the regulatory body, how do you have control over your institution?

6/21/2011 9:42:51 PM

http://twitter.com/#!/YahooSportsNFL

Charles Robinson is the yahoo guy who broke a lot of the story last year, has some in depth analysis

6/21/2011 9:47:56 PM