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"ok i'll feed the troll. speaking for the evo,"

Wasn't a troll, it was a question. Don't take shit so personally on here.

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"4G data 8MP Camera on the back, 1.3MB on front Open Marketplace, can actually customize the OS SD Card Slot HDMI Out User replaceable battery Native furn by turn Flash support (obviously in 2.2, not 2.1) A freaking spectacular screen (not even sure what this means lol) FM Radio more than one button."

I said features man...so I went ahead and updated your list.

I also took out some of the shit that nobody cares about or will really ever use.

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 4:27 PM. Reason : .]

6/7/2010 4:24:46 PM

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"Don't take shit so personally on here."

personally? how could i have been taking something personally...you weren't even responding to me. looks like you're the one taking things personally


and you can play semantics all you want...but those are some of the advantages i see for the evo (and its OS) over the iphone. obviously the iphone has it's list too.

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"I also took out some of the shit that nobody cares about or will really ever use."

look i don't give a shit what you would find useful. that's my list...and i'm sure it'll grow as i play with the phone more.

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 4:31 PM. Reason : ]

6/7/2010 4:26:09 PM

You are taking it personally if someone asks a simple question like "What features does ____ have?" because they themselves don't know, or they wouldn't have asked. But instead of responding you act like its a troll.

6/7/2010 4:27:26 PM

Wait, how do things like an SD card slot, HDMI out, and an FM Radio not count as "features"?

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 4:28 PM. Reason : .]

6/7/2010 4:28:26 PM

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"I also took out some of the shit that nobody cares about or will really ever use."

6/7/2010 4:30:41 PM

^ i rest my case on the trolling comment.

6/7/2010 4:32:12 PM

As an avid iphone user, I'd LOVE to have all 3 of those mentioned features.

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 4:33 PM. Reason : Plus a removable battery and os customization without jailbreaking. ]

6/7/2010 4:32:19 PM

I don't know, man -- there are plenty of times where a phone that can easily output video of HDMI would be useful.

For instance, when driving down the east coast with sleeping people in your back seat

6/7/2010 4:33:07 PM

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"I also took out some of the shit that nobody cares about or will really ever use"

Fucking incredible. With 720p HD Recording, why wouldn't you prefer HDMI out, SD card, and a user-replaceable battery?

How can you assume that features were left out because nobody cares?

Your blind apple fanboism is beyond comprehension

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 4:39 PM. Reason : ]

6/7/2010 4:34:36 PM

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"Your blind apple fanboism is beyond comprehension"

it's not blind fanboism, it's trolling.

6/7/2010 4:36:19 PM

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"HDMI out SD cards User replaceable battery Your blind apple fanboism is beyond comprehension"

stfu about fanboism, seriously man...its old nobody cares. Not liking certain features has nothing to do with Apple you dumb fuck.

They make adapters to connect your iDevice to an HD display and I'm still not interested in doing that.

SD cards? really? I have 32gb why do I need removable anything? Thats just more clutter to keep up with.

I don't want to go out and buy an extra battery so I can swap out batteries. I'd rather have a slick hardware then have the added weight and panels to accommodate removable battery. Its not so difficult to charge your phone over night or have a car charger.

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"You're taking fanboy-ism to a whole new level where you assume that features were left out because nobody cares?"

I've had phones with removable battery and storage. Up until the iPhone every one of my phones had these features. I only ever removed the battery to remove the sim card. And removable storage was a huge pain in the ass because I'd have to keep up with all my memory cards and if I wanted to listen to music I had to make sure the music I wanted to listen to was on the right card.

I'm sure you were upset when they got rid of floppy disks as well.

And I also have 'expanded' my iPhones storage to 200gb via cloud storage. I have access to my entire music library for streaming.

You guys might enjoy walking around with multiple SD cards, cables, etc. I'd prefer not to. I hear there is a phone that has all those features, the iPhone 4 is not said phone. So who's trolling?

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 4:42 PM. Reason : .]

6/7/2010 4:38:37 PM

i'm not gonna waste my day refuting points with the troll...i'm sure someone will bite though (have no fear gloveko) lol

6/7/2010 4:42:14 PM

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"i'm not gonna waste my day refuting points with the troll...i'm sure someone will bite though (have no fear gloveko) lol"

its because you don't have shit to say back. But feel free to play that 'high road' card all you want, troll.

6/7/2010 4:42:59 PM

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"I said features man...so I went ahead and updated your list."

cool, i went ahead and edited yours too.

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"Facetime aka Video conferencing, which isn't new or innovative anymore 720p video recording and editing ($5 app required) App Store iTunes (you might not like iTunes as a service, but in terms of being able to rent movies/buy movies/tv shows/music etc directly from the phone) Overall hardware design (none of that cheap looking Motorola star-tach shit) - this is not a feature, just the way you feel about it "

6/7/2010 4:44:41 PM

I mean if you must, you can knock everything off the list because a $199 device + 2 year contract agreement are required as well.

Don't be so butt hurt because I don't want an EVO 4G

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 4:46 PM. Reason : .]

6/7/2010 4:45:38 PM

I'm not butt hurt about an Evo 4. I dont give a shit about it.

I just find it hilarious when you ask for a list of features and when someone produces a list of legitamate features you assume nobody gives a fuck about it. But when you come up with your own list, half of it is just bullshit services that are independent of the product.

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 4:48 PM. Reason : ]

6/7/2010 4:47:32 PM

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"I just find it hilarious when you ask for a list of features and when someone produces a list of legitamate features you assume nobody gives a fuck about it. But when you come up with your own list, half of it is just bullshit services that are independent of the product."

I asked for a list of features that sets it apart from the rest not a list of features that most phones already have.

Anyway, enough about Android phones in the iPhone thread. If I care enough Ill go read up on the android thread...kk?

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 4:50 PM. Reason : .]

6/7/2010 4:49:22 PM

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"I asked for a list of features that sets it apart from the rest not a list of features that most phones already have."

None of the items on your list met this criteria

6/7/2010 4:52:22 PM

Actually, they did hence why they were on my list. And I did indicate that other devices might have similar/better features then some I left out like screen/camera.

I'm done with the android discussion ITT.

6/7/2010 4:54:41 PM

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"I asked for a list of features that sets it apart from the rest not a list of features that most phones already have."

as an iPhone user from the beginning, i can safely say that the iphone doesn't have any of those things i listed, and won't even have them in the 4G (except the screen, i assume it'll be nice)...so I'm not sure what 'most other phones' you're talking about. This statement is further proof of your trolling.

6/7/2010 4:58:27 PM

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 4:58 PM. Reason : triple post]

6/7/2010 4:58:27 PM

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 4:59 PM. Reason : triple post]

6/7/2010 4:58:27 PM

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"as an iPhone user from the beginning, i can safely say that the iphone doesn't have any of those things i listed, and won't even have them in the 4G, unless I missed one somewhere...so I'm not sure what 'most other phones' you're talking about. This statement is further proof of your trolling."

lol what? Most phones != iPhone.

The iPhone does do video out.
It supports cloud storage via apps
Turn by turn apps
A freaking spectacular screen! (lol)
more than one button


Some of you really need to expand your vocabulary. Troll and Fanboy are so over used they hold no meaning anymore.

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 5:02 PM. Reason : .]

6/7/2010 5:01:20 PM

Oh, look, Golovko is in here whining again.

6/7/2010 5:04:04 PM

Don't you have a PS3's honor to defend some where?

Also, whining would indicate I'm complaining about something. Lack of features of sorts. I believe you have me confused with someone else.

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 5:05 PM. Reason : .]

6/7/2010 5:04:30 PM

It just get old when it's always YOU shitting up the thread. Every thread you participate in, it seems. Has that ever occurred to you?

A PS3's honor? What are you, 5 years old?

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 5:07 PM. Reason : f]

6/7/2010 5:06:31 PM

.

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 5:07 PM. Reason : he'll go back to his ps3 thread on his own eventually.]

6/7/2010 5:07:34 PM

anyway, I think it's a great update.

Wish it had 64GB option (or expandable memory) - it records HD video, FFS!
Wish they'd do something to make the lockscreen more useful.

Anyway, I'm all over it. I might even get the white even though it's girly.

6/7/2010 5:11:16 PM

I am surprised they didn't have a 64GB option. Even at a $399 pricepoint.

6/7/2010 5:14:10 PM

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"It just get old when it's always YOU shitting up the thread. Every thread you participate in, it seems. Has that ever occurred to you?"

I mean, it's totally cool to be excited about the new iPhone. I for one am very excited about it.

But it's another thing to be clamped down hard onto Steve Jobs' dick.

6/7/2010 5:14:55 PM

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"Wish it had 64GB option (or expandable memory)"

There must be something I don't understand about flash memory. How come I, as a consumer, can buy 16GB of flash memory, smaller than my thumbnail, for under $20...but Apple can't sell their latest iPhone with more than 32GB (and for $300 at that)?

Do they use a different type of memory...something akin to the difference between consumer desktop class hardware and server class hardware or something like that? Whats the deal?

6/7/2010 5:17:24 PM

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"But it's another thing to be clamped down hard onto Steve Jobs' dick."

Do you enjoy being clamped down hard onto Steve Jobs' dick? I mean he just announced a phone lacking features that other phones have that YOU want and yet you STILL want to buy it? I just can't figure out why.

6/7/2010 5:17:50 PM

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"I mean, it's totally cool to be excited about the new iPhone. I for one am very excited about it. But it's another thing to be clamped down hard onto Steve Jobs' dick."

look everyone lets move past the troll/counter troll/troll/counter troll crap and move it back to a civil discussion.

thx.

6/7/2010 5:18:50 PM

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"look everyone lets move past the troll/counter troll/troll/counter troll crap and move it back to a civil discussion. thx."

or you could just put gloveco on timeout. seems like he's the only one that's constantly insistent that this thread must be complete shit.

6/7/2010 5:20:35 PM

Yeah because I'm here posting about the iPhone while others come in and troll about its 'lacking features' and how android has them blah blah...but yet they still buy the iPhone?

oh and they throw words around like 'troll' and 'fanboy' lol

6/7/2010 5:21:29 PM

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"There must be something I don't understand about flash memory. How come I, as a consumer, can buy 16GB of flash memory, smaller than my thumbnail, for under $20...but Apple can't sell their latest iPhone with more than 32GB (and for $300 at that)? Do they use a different type of memory...something akin to the difference between consumer desktop class hardware and server class hardware or something like that? Whats the deal?"

I think most of it boils down to availability and pricing. I think if Apple were to use the new 64GB chips it would probably dry up the supply worldwide. The 64GB chips are just not mainstream enough yet.
chicken/egg: since they aren't mainstream enough, they are not cost effective for Apple.

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 5:22 PM. Reason : d]

6/7/2010 5:21:44 PM

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"I think most of it boils down to availability and pricing. I think if Apple were to pick up, say, Samsung's new 64GB chip it would probably dry up the supply worldwide. They're just not mainstream enough yet. Also, since they aren't mainstream enough, they are not cost effective for Apple. "

Ah so the larger chips themselves aren't that plentiful...Guess they can't use two smaller ones or something like that?

6/7/2010 5:23:42 PM

^^^ no, you get called a "fanboy" because you seem to look at the feature list for an iPhone and decide that everything an iPhone exclusively has is great, and everything it doesn't have isn't actually a "feature", it's just mean trolls coming up with bizarre items and calling them features

we're asking why it doesn't have an SD slot, not why it doesn't have a goddamn toaster

you're right about one thing, i'm going to buy one

that doesn't mean i won't miss some features, but that it fits my needs

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 5:29 PM. Reason : edited]

6/7/2010 5:26:12 PM

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"we're asking why not have an SD slot, not why it doesn't have a goddamn toaster"

And I responded with 'Cloud Storage'

Before there was iPhone there was expandable memory. Had you asked me then what I thought of an SD card slot I would have said "I'm in favor of getting rid of it for a larger internal storage'

Also, not everything the iPhone has is great. It has video out. Again not a fan not going to use it. I'd prefer wireless sync and streaming.

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"that doesn't mean i won't miss some features, but that it fits my needs"

I wish someone would respond with a serious answer as to why you would buy an iPhone when its lacking features that other great phones already have.

Its one thing to say 'well its just wishful thinking because said features don't exist' and its another for there to be phones on the market today with all those features. If I wanted those features I for sure would not be buying an iPhone. I can respect Stein and Shrike for their opinion because they would actually abandon the iPhone for another phone that has the features they want. Not just stick with an iPhone because its an iPhone. i.e. put their money where their mouth is

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 5:31 PM. Reason : .]

6/7/2010 5:27:18 PM

look you guys must have trouble reading bold print.

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"look everyone lets move past the troll/counter troll/troll/counter troll crap and move it back to a civil discussion."

6/7/2010 5:27:56 PM

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"Ah so the larger chips themselves aren't that plentiful...Guess they can't use two smaller ones or something like that?"

space being tight inside these devices, the main board has two slots. In the iTouch, both slots can be used (which is why they have a 64GB version -2x32GB) In the iPhone, one of those slots is taken up by the cell radio, so they have to make due with one chip.
Not sure if it's actually an issue with physical space, or the whatever processor/memory controller they're using not being able to address more than 2 slots.

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"And I responded with 'Cloud Storage'"

Cloud Storage is nice to have, but it's not the solution to the storage issue. I'll be damned if I'm going to sit there and wait for HD video to upload to the cloud every time I shoot with my iPhone.

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 5:34 PM. Reason : d]

6/7/2010 5:32:33 PM

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"look everyone lets move past the troll/counter troll/troll/counter troll crap and move it back to a civil discussion."

We don't all have to agree. Just looking for some reasoning behind why some people like certain features. I have my reasons why I don't like expandable storage which i've already stated here. All I'm seeing here is "RAWR RAWR RAWR it must have expandable storage RAWR"

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"Cloud Storage is nice to have, but it's not the solution to the storage issue. I'll be damned if I'm going to sit there and wait for HD video to upload to the cloud every time I shoot with my iPhone."

finally a reasonable response. I agree that uploading HD video will take forever especially on 3G. although the iPhone 4 has 802.11n now so uploading HD video to NAS or cloud storage through wifi might not be so bad. That being said, what are you going to do with your HD video if not upload it to youtube/facebook/pc? Sure you can output it to a TV but I'm thinking more large scale sharing with family and friends.

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 5:38 PM. Reason : .]

6/7/2010 5:36:04 PM

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"Your lack of ability to properly use quote tags and saying stupid shit like that makes it difficult for someone to take you seriously and respond."

Oh noes! I made a mistake! Idc if you take it seriously or respond, I'm stating an opinion, not asking a question.

Anyway. The thing looks awesome, but the only really useful new feature that I saw that I've been wanting is the threaded email and multiple Exchange accounts, so I'm not sorry I sold my 3GS to buy an Android phone (still haven't decided which one ). The FaceTime thing is stupid, because it locks you to Wifi--if I'm on Wifi, I'm probably at home, where I might as well use a webcam--although that will probably be fixed with jailbreaking. But that's the sad thing with iPhones, ever since the 3G. They aren't good enough until you jailbreak them.

All that said, they're awesome at making people want their devices. I hate the app store and it's inability to let you try things out first (another missing feature with iOS4, and again fixable with jailbreak and piracy), as well as the lack of native turn-by-turn (yet another missing feature--gotta pay $80-$130 for non-native Navigon), but it still *looked* drool-worthy.

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 5:37 PM. Reason : ;]

6/7/2010 5:36:25 PM

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"I'll be damned if I'm going to sit there and wait for HD video to upload to the cloud [over AT&T's network] every time I shoot with my iPhone."

yeah the cloud stuff would be a nice add-on, but for most people they'd probably prefer more physical memory if given the choice between the two.

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"but it still *looked* drool-worthy."

yep they're normally on top in the droolability ratings

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 5:39 PM. Reason : ]

6/7/2010 5:37:38 PM

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"yeah the cloud stuff would be a nice add-on, but for most people they'd probably prefer more physical memory if given the choice between the two."

regardless if its removable or internal you still have the same issue of uploading it some where if you want to share the video.

Video being the biggest issue, music, however, is not an issue to stream if you host your entire library in a cloud.

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"I hate the app store and it's inability to let you try things out first"

thats up to the developer. Tons of games have a 'free' version for a demo.

The ability to provide a trial is in place, it just needs to be used more by the devs.

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 5:41 PM. Reason : .]

6/7/2010 5:39:55 PM

btw did anyone catch that the 802.11n is 2.4Ghz only?

6/7/2010 5:40:43 PM

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"regardless if its removable or internal you still have the same issue of uploading it some where if you want to share the video."

transfer to computer and share from there isn't an option? is apple's cloud storage free? how about android alternatives (dropbox etc)?

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"music, however, is not an issue to stream if you host your entire library in a cloud."

personally, i wouldn't want to depend on AT&T's network (or any network to a lesser degree) to listen to my music. maybe one day when their coverage/standard level of service improves, but for now i'd prefer to have the majority of it locally...with streaming as a nice add-on if available



[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 5:44 PM. Reason : ]

6/7/2010 5:41:45 PM

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"transfer to computer and share from there isn't an option? is apple's cloud storage free? how about android alternatives (dropbox etc)?"

transferring via sync cable or sd card reader is really the same thing. You still have to physically connect to your computer. Which wifi-sync is a seriously lacking feature for iPhone.

Apple's cloud storage is not free. Dropbox, ZumoDrive do have free accounts that are limited in size. The benefit of dropbox and zumodrive is that regardless of your device (iPhone, Android, Mac OS X, Windows, Linux) you can still access your data.

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"personally, i wouldn't want to depend on AT&T's network (or any network to a lesser degree) to listen to my music. maybe one day when their coverage/standard level of service improves, but for now i'm prefer to have the majority of it locally...with streaming as a nice add-on if available"

Fair enough. But thats why I buy the 32gb so I can host most of my library locally too

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 5:45 PM. Reason : .]

6/7/2010 5:43:37 PM

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"Video being the biggest issue, music, however, is not an issue to stream if you host your entire library in a cloud."

I sit in an office with 10,000 Verizon repeaters that KILL my data signal. So, again, not an option for me.
Cloud is nice to have, but I don't think we're anywhere near having the infrastructure to support it.

The memory card thing just irks me because there is only one reason they don't include it: they like money.

6/7/2010 5:44:39 PM

to address the question of "why not switch":

between my iPhone and iPad, i have a lot of $ in apps

if the iPhoneOS was a terrible platform or the iPhone was a terrible piece of hardware I'd cut my losses and move on.

i'd like an FM radio (for the TVs at the gym), i'd like removable media (to quickly move multimedia without needing to have a sync cable or networking, i.e. in a hotel room), but that's not going to make me switch platforms. just stupid to own a great phone and have to use a $5 radio from big lots.

no one makes a perfect phone. i've been waiting for an iPhone that had a better camera, a flash, front-facing camera, native backgrounding, and it looks like it's here. good enough to separate me from my money.

6/7/2010 5:44:56 PM