dweedle All American 77386 Posts user info edit post |
dont follow him though, because anything of any worth is RTd 5x by other people you follow anyway 6/21/2011 9:49:39 PM |
Lionheart I'm Eggscellent 12775 Posts user info edit post |
Also, If Butch Davis doesn't make any phone calls how does he monitor his staff to ensure no violations while they are off campus . 6/21/2011 9:50:09 PM |
ncsuapex SpaceForRent 37776 Posts user info edit post |
Charles Robinson doesn't think Art Monk is a HOFer. Fuck that guy he's a dumbass. 6/21/2011 9:55:23 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
long/short of his insight is that Butch's "I didn't know" defense wasn't believable, but the NCAA couldn't prove otherwise, therefore no LOIC 6/21/2011 9:56:34 PM |
ddf583 All American 2950 Posts user info edit post |
which means he's done his job reasonably well. 6/21/2011 9:57:34 PM |
GenghisJohn bonafide 10252 Posts user info edit post |
whatever, he'll be gone either way, especially if anything comes out of the tags and etc. 6/21/2011 9:59:12 PM |
Lionheart I'm Eggscellent 12775 Posts user info edit post |
both Blake and Wily have personal ties to Butch though ....
I know they're gonna skate with some vacated wins and probation. 6/21/2011 10:00:12 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
NEWS14 Special, or maybe just SportsNight 6/21/2011 10:01:05 PM |
Brass Monkey All American 13560 Posts user info edit post |
One of the media members that got to sit in on a NCAA mock trial said that the "I didn't know" defense doesn't count and that the fake program in the mock trial got LOIC anyways. 6/21/2011 10:02:35 PM |
ncsuapex SpaceForRent 37776 Posts user info edit post |
Butchys master plan almost worked out.
Hire a shady Blake, knowing he doesn't have to explicity tell Blake to be shady. Because well he's shady. Name Blake associate head coach so he can pay him more. Knowing some of that money will be funneled down to the players without him being directly involved. Hire a "tutor" and/or "nanny" for his son. Pays her a fat rate to ensure his son gets "tutored". She ends up doing extra work for HIS players and paying their parking fines. GODDAMN that should be enough right there to hammer unc-ch
When the NCAA comes a knocking. Throw Blake and the tutor under the bus.
He would've gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling kids. 6/21/2011 10:05:28 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
Baddour phone interview on News14...about as expected, he's just towing the company line, giving expected PC answers] 6/21/2011 10:06:43 PM |
ThePeter TWW CHAMPION 37709 Posts user info edit post |
credit to Motiak
This is amazing.
6/21/2011 10:07:27 PM |
Brass Monkey All American 13560 Posts user info edit post |
Did Baddour mention how cooperative they've been? 6/21/2011 10:08:30 PM |
Ernie All American 45943 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards. Checkmate. " |
6/21/2011 10:09:43 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25535 Posts user info edit post |
Did Baddour still reference it as a "review"? 6/21/2011 10:11:02 PM |
izzykareem All American 2621 Posts user info edit post |
^^ where's that from?
[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 10:11 PM. Reason : ] 6/21/2011 10:11:16 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25535 Posts user info edit post |
^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFLq7cyHKMg 6/21/2011 10:15:26 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Did Baddour mention how cooperative they've been? " |
nah, and no mention of the "review" either
he was on for about 1-1.5 minutes, he basically said they didn't see anything that they weren't already aware of, they expected to receive it, otherwise just white noise
they did show a quote of some Butch Davis statement from this evening where he basically said he regrets what happened and how it has painted a negative light on UNC, and that it happened on his watch and its his responsibility and he takes that responsibility seriously
in one sense Davis' comment made me think that if it really comes down to it, UNC has told him that he is going to take the blame before the school...but in another sense it seemed like somebody who knew he was going to get off from being to blame, so he's trying to act like he gives a shit and is remorseful since he knows other people will take the fall
also, the NOA = the ding dong king kong sing song burger http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uco5Ed-5y2U#t=137s
[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 10:32 PM. Reason : .]6/21/2011 10:22:23 PM |
ThePeter TWW CHAMPION 37709 Posts user info edit post |
Hakeem Nicks was paying players too 6/21/2011 10:33:49 PM |
Novicane All American 15416 Posts user info edit post |
so are we still in "slap on wrist" mode or will this bring down the house? (or some where in between those two) 6/21/2011 10:35:10 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25535 Posts user info edit post |
^I'd guess somewhere in between. 6/21/2011 10:37:14 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
probably somewhere in between 6/21/2011 10:37:30 PM |
izzykareem All American 2621 Posts user info edit post |
ill post the short version here, but i posted a long version on N&O comments section about what i thought was going to happen (just to piss off unc'ers), and i really beleive this.
1. Precedence: Has a school ever been caught with a runner ON STAFF??
2. Arrogance: Thorp, Baddour and Butchie are gonna walk into an Indianapolis NCAA hearing room, Committee on Infractions, and the mere presence of a still-employed BD, and the "i can't monitor 27,000 students" defense are gonna be the nail in the coffin.
The LOIC is a serious charge so the COI (Committee on Infractions) probably isn't going to level that until UNCCHEAT goes up there with their bullshit defense. 6/21/2011 10:41:10 PM |
DoeoJ has 7062 Posts user info edit post |
^ man i hope you're right.
6/21/2011 10:43:46 PM |
ThePeter TWW CHAMPION 37709 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Charles Robinson YahooSportsNFL Charles Robinson UNC/NC State fans...I'm not siding with anyone. Just analyzing the why of NCAA/UNC arguments. 6 minutes ago" |
haha6/21/2011 10:45:14 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25535 Posts user info edit post |
^leave it to state fans...
[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 10:47 PM. Reason : aa] 6/21/2011 10:47:40 PM |
StingrayRush All American 14628 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Hakeem Nicks was paying players too" |
from what i understand, he let guys crash at his place in NY and the ncaa used the going rate for nearby hotel rooms as their indicator for what the "monetary value" was.6/21/2011 10:50:22 PM |
ThePeter TWW CHAMPION 37709 Posts user info edit post |
Type of benefit is listed as 12.1.2.1.6. Several other former players did the same thing.
Possibly...a football player visited Nicks (and others), they crash at his place, he shows them a night on the town?
Hell if I know, but its fun to speculate.
What are the next developments we can expect before Oct 2X, UNC making public statements on this type of stuff?
[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 10:58 PM. Reason : lkj] 6/21/2011 10:56:05 PM |
StingrayRush All American 14628 Posts user info edit post |
ncaa still has the gag order in effect, so doubtful, other than generic lip service 6/21/2011 11:00:04 PM |
statered All American 2298 Posts user info edit post |
^I'm not one to crack gay jokes, but that post is testing my resolve. 6/21/2011 11:08:08 PM |
StingrayRush All American 14628 Posts user info edit post |
more like teste-ing your resolve, amirite? 6/21/2011 11:15:41 PM |
KeB All American 9828 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Allegations against UNC 'major' By Heather Dinich
The unpaid parking tickets of several UNC football players pale in comparison to the 42-page document the NCAA just buried the University of North Carolina in.
This isn't just Butch Davis' problem. Consider it now a 'major' problem for UNC's football program, athletic department, and overall institution.
The NCAA wrote three separate letters to former UNC assistant coach John Blake, former UNC tutor Jennifer Wiley, and UNC chancellor Holden Thorp, informing them of the allegations against the football program: "You should understand that all of the allegations charged in the notice of allegations are considered to be potential major violations of NCAA legislation, unless designated as secondary violations."
North Carolina has officially joined much of the college football world in the summer of discontent.
After a year-long investigation into North Carolina's football program, the university today released a 42-page document detailing the allegations, and it's not pretty: Page 20: It was reported that during the 2009-10 academic year and August 2010, Jennifer Wiley, former academic support center tutor, provided approximately $3,500 in impermissible extra benefits to football student-athletes. ... Wiley paid $150 for an airline ticket in May 2010, and $ 1,789 in parking violation expenses on August 20, 2010, for then football student-athlete ... Page 23: It was reported that during 2009 and 2010, seven football student athletes received $27,097.38 in benefits from individuals, some of whom trigger NCAA agent legislation. Page 33: It is alleged that from 2007 to 2010, then assistant football coach John Blake partnered with Gary Wichard, National Football League Players Association (NFLPA) certified agent, and Pro Tect Management to represent individuals in the marketing of their athletic abilities in violation of NCAA legislation. Specifically, Blake was employed and compensated by Pro Tect Management to influence football student-athletes to hire Wichard to represent them in marketing their athletic abilities and reputations. Page 35: It is alleged that from May 2007 to October 2009, then assistant football coach John Blake did not report $31,000 in athletically related outside income from Pro Tect Management, a sports agency representing athletes competing in the National Football League, National Basketball League and Major League Baseball.
Davis loyalists will be happy to know that no letters were specifically addressed to him, and that his name is only mentioned once in the entire document, in the context that the NCAA would like him to appear before the NCAA's Committee on Infractions on October 28.
There were, however, allegations that the "institution" failed to properly monitor the conduct of Chris Hawkins, who was allowed access to the facilities and participated in one-on-one drills with the players. And the "institution" failed to monitor the social networking of the players in 2010. And here's the kicker ... the "institution" did not follow-up on information that "indicated a risk of improper benefits being provided when reported by [a student athlete] to administrators within the football program."
Somebody knew something was going on and "the institution" let it continue.
North Carolina has 90 days to respond to this, and considering the massive, overwhelming amount of information the NCAA is seeking -- documents, transcripts, receipts, former players' previous Tweets, phone records, Blake's credit reports -- odds are the university is going to need every one of them.
It's far from over. The NCAA wants answers. Lots of them.
How much Davis really knew now only seems like part of the equation.
This is bigger than Butch Davis. " |
6/21/2011 11:17:29 PM |
StingrayRush All American 14628 Posts user info edit post |
insert carmax dramatic music 6/21/2011 11:24:09 PM |
DoeoJ has 7062 Posts user info edit post |
6/21/2011 11:24:44 PM |
StingrayRush All American 14628 Posts user info edit post |
i would say that yall can probably find more credible people that are writing doomsday scenarios. it's insulting that you're getting excited over that miserable cunt 6/21/2011 11:29:22 PM |
KeB All American 9828 Posts user info edit post |
No what's exciting is watching all of the UNC fans back peddle from the "Nothing is even going to come out of the investigation" and "This is all just a witch hunt by the media" 6/21/2011 11:36:19 PM |
KeB All American 9828 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Agents, rogue coach, academic fraud: North Carolina accused of perfect storm of NCAA death By Matt Hinton
In the Year of the Snake in college sports, other other high profile scandals have generated more sound and fury, and some cases of a newer vintage might turn out to be more furious still. But for sheer scale, the saga conceived in an early morning tweet by ex-North Carolina star Marvin Austin last summer remains unmatched. Within weeks, Carolina had put Austin and 13 other players on ice for allegedly accepting illegal benefits from agents, seven of whom — including three soon-to-be first and second-round draft picks — would miss the entire season. It forced out an assistant coach with suspicious ties to an NFL agent himself. It launched an internal investigation into academic fraud involving a former student employee who was once hired by the head coach as a private tutor. Current NFL players admitted to footing the bill for cross-country trips, weekend apartment stays and balla pool parties. At least one player was blinged out by a South Beach jeweler. One of the few draft-worthy starters who managed to avoid the 2010 purge found himself in the crosshairs when he was spotted at a post-draft party with former teammates this spring. And did we mention the assistant coach who was allegedly recruiting clients for an NFL agent? Most of those threads only saw the light of day as a result of media digging; from there, it was up to the NCAA — with some help from a contrite UNC, looking to mitigate potential damage with cooperation — to tie them all together into a coherent narrative of outlaw and disorder. The Association submitted its best shot today, in the form of an official notice of allegations to the university in a 42-page memorandum. Among the most interesting charges: - - - • Improper benefits (Agent Division). During 2009 and 2010, seven football players are accused of accepting more than $27,000 in improper benefits from three agents, five former Tar Heel players, a jeweler, "various financial advisers" and a guy named Willie [last name unknown]. Specifically, the cash and prizes break down like so: • $7,216.20 from Todd Stewart, "financial advisor" with Pro Sports Financial. • $5,082.37 from Gary Wichard, now-deceased NFL agent. • $5,000 from A.J. Mosciato, South Beach jeweler. • $3,189.20 from Hakeem Nicks, former UNC wide receiver and current New York Giant. • $2,000 from Kentwan Balmer, former UNC defensive lineman and current Seattle Seahawk. • $1,826.29 from Omar Brown, former UNC defensive back. • $816 from Chris Hawkins, former UNC defensive back and alleged "runner" for various agents, also notable for purchasing the Independence Bowl jersey that helped land Georgia receiver A.J. Green on a four-game suspension last summer. • $398 from Michael Katz, agent with Rosenhaus Sports. • $323.92 from Willie. • $200 from Mahlon Carey, former UNC defensive back. • $120 from Various financial advisors. • Employing an assistant coach who partnered with an agent. Ex-defensive line coach John Blake's relationship with Wichard has been well-chronicled by Yahoo! Sports on multiple occasions, leading to Blake's resignation last September. From the formal allegation: It is alleged that from 2007 to 2010, then assistant football coach John Blake partnered with Gary Wichard, National Football League Players Association (NFLPA) certified agent, and Pro Tect Management to represent individuals in the marketing of their athletic abilities in violation of NCAA legislation. Specifically, Blake was employed and compensated by Pro Tect Management to influence football student-athletes to hire Wichard to represent them in marketing their athletic abilities and reputations. The partnership is backed up by a second allegation that Blake failed to report $31,000 in outside income from Wichard's agency, Pro Tect Management, which Blake allegedly received in seven separate wire transfers from May 2007 to October 15. Blake also reportedly withheld information regarding a $45,000 he allegedly received from Wichard's agency on Dec. 27, 2007, and provided investigators with "false and misleading information" during interviews last year. Please stop for a moment to allow the fact to sink in that the NCAA believes a major program was employing an assistant coach who was acting as a runner for an agent. The NFLPA seems to have been suitably convinced of the arrangement between Blake and Wichard, as well, having slapped the latter with a nine-month suspension last December prior to Wichard's death from cancer. • Academic Fraud. An academic support center tutor and at least two unnamed football players "engaged in academic fraud" when the tutor wrote portions of papers and works-cited pages, conducted research and sent players significantly revised drafts of papers on multiple occasions in 2008 and 2009. • Improper benefits (Academic Division). A former university tutor, Jennifer Wiley, is accused of supplying improper benefits to players in 2009 and 2010 by a) Providing 142 hours of free tutoring (valued at $1,562) to nine student-athletes throughout the 2009-10 term, when she was no longer employed by university, and b) Paying $150 for an airline ticket in May 2010 and a whopping $1,789 in parking fines in August 2010 for a then-football player. (At least three UNC players — Marvin Austin, draft-bound receiver Greg Little and running back Ryan Houston — may have owed that amount in fines at a given time, according to documents released last week that the university had fought to keep under wraps.) Wiley is also accused of intentionally eluding the university's efforts to contact her for months after her name was drawn into the fray last fall, before finally responding (via attorney) in January that she wouldn't be responding to any further interview requests from the university or NCAA. • Obstructing an investigation. An unnamed player is accused of "providing false and misleading information" about who paid for airfare and lodging on multiple trips he took in 2009 and 2010. This section is heavily redacted to omit all names and locations, but given the previous reporting in this case and the dates provided in the allegation, the player is almost certainly Marvin Austin, and the trips in question almost certainly include his well-chronicled visits to California in 2009 and South Beach in 2010. - - - Thus concludes what appears to be the perfect storm of NCAA death: Players got paid, agents were everywhere, players committed academic fraud, coaches, players and tutors alike misled or stonewalled investigators — and there was direct institutional knowledge via Blake, who (according to the NCAA) not only knew but was actively participating in flouting the rules in a way that the last guy the NCAA accused of being a rogue assistant coach, USC scapegoat Todd McNair, never dreamed. If you've been following this case from the beginning, none of those charges are new. But it is eye-opening to see all of them exhaustively detailed in one place for the first time, and there is no escaping the conclusion that the Tar Heels are going to feel the maximum, USC-level pain in response — up to and including a postseason ban and heavy scholarship losses. Institutionally, North Carolina worked hard to distance itself from the worst offenders ingratiate itself as a collaborator in justice when it became aware of the violations, but if the NCAA can't throw the book at a school that employed an assistant coach it accuses of acting as a runner for an NFL agent, it might as well ditch the rulebook and badges and rename itself the "Basketball Tournament Deposit Association." Now, the bureaucracy lurches into a state resembling action. Carolina will have 90 days to submit an official response to the allegations, at which point a date will be set for an appearance in front of the NCAA's all-powerful Committee on Infractions (probably in October). A few weeks after that (probably sometime in the new year), the COI will send its verdict down the mountain on a set of stone tablets, and the university will initiate an appeals process that extends the process another six months or so. By the NCAA's standards, if the Tar Heels know their fate by the start of the 2012 season, it will qualify as a properly speedy trial." |
Let me guess StingRay, he's a miserable cunt too.... 6/21/2011 11:40:55 PM |
StingrayRush All American 14628 Posts user info edit post |
nah that's what i'm talking about, there's plenty of people to quote without resorting to heather fucking dinich. that troll has no business anywhere near a tv showing sports, much less blogging about them 6/21/2011 11:43:22 PM |
hey now Indianapolis Jones 14975 Posts user info edit post |
Rawr Rawr, espn blogger wrote a negative article concerning our disgraceful football program, so she's a cunt. ] 6/21/2011 11:44:39 PM |
Lionheart I'm Eggscellent 12775 Posts user info edit post |
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/06/21/ncaa.unc/index.html
Great read from Steward Mandel. Good to see the National media thinks this is huge, but yeah people need to include the fact Butch has been close with Blake for 20 years and that the tutor was attached to Butch personally.
Quote : | "Despite breathtaking NCAA charges, UNC's Davis may survive
Story Highlights One could argue that the UNC case is worse than USC, Tennessee or Ohio St. The various charges involve a UNC assistant, a tutor and numerous players But head coach Butch Davis surprisingly escaped NCAA investigators' wrath If you're an NCAA rules junkie, reading the Notice of Allegations handed down on North Carolina's football program Tuesday must be like unwrapping the latest iPhone.
It's got everything.
Academic fraud? There's an app for that. Extra benefits? More different types from more different people than you could possibly fit on one screen. Agents? Oh, so many agents -- both real and wannabes. And then there's John Blake, the assistant coach who was secretly working for a sports agent while employed by the university. He might get his own page in the next NCAA manual.
For all the tawdry scandals that have tarnished college football over the past 12 months -- from USC to Tennessee, from Cam Newton to Jim Tressel -- one can easily argue that the nine major violations levied against Butch Davis' program Tuesday contain more filth and more blatant disregard for the rule book than any of them.
And yet, one gets the sense that after nearly a year of buildup, North Carolina's case may wind up causing less indignation than any of them. Fans don't generally get worked up over perennial 8-5 programs. It would probably take the death penalty for fans outside Tobacco Road to truly take notice, and at least two notable omissions from Tuesday's report assure that's not going to happen.
Unlike disgraced Ohio State coach Tressel, currently unemployed and unhireable for failing to disclose knowledge of violations by his players, Davis' name does not appear anywhere in the NCAA's 42-page report. He remains gainfully employed for now. And unlike USC (or Boise State, for that matter), North Carolina escaped the dreaded Lack of Institutional Control charge that usually elicits the Committee on Infractions' harshest penalties, settling instead for the just-below-that Failure to Monitor.
So to all you coaches out there: If your program is found guilty of every variety of NCAA violation imaginable, just be sure no one e-mails you about it. And the lesson for schools: Check your players' Twitter accounts. Seriously. That's one of the three things UNC is cited for failing to monitor.
Otherwise, investigators apparently felt the school did the best possible job it could in monitoring its rogue defensive line coach/agent runner; its tutors who not only wrote papers' players but helped pay their parking tickets; and 10 of the 11 individuals (most of them agents, financial advisers or former players) who provided more than $27,000 in benefits to stars like Marvin Austin.
Read the report and you'll find this nearly impossible to fathom.
In defending its much-criticized enforcement system, NCAA officials constantly remind us that "every case is different," much to the frustration of the common fan whose instinctual reaction to news like this is to immediately compare and contrast. Are North Carolina's infractions more or less egregious than Ohio State's? Will the Tar Heels suffer stiffer or less severe sanctions than USC? It's an impossible thing to quantify, and Tuesday's surprising lack of lack-of-institutional-control twist makes it tougher to predict the final outcome. We can only guess that the penalties will still be stiff.
Last month, many of us who cover college sports year-round attended the NCAA's first-ever Enforcement Experience and got to watch part of a mock Committee on Infractions hearing. While the case (involving, coincidentally, academic fraud) was fake, the two former Committee members grilling the participants were real. We got a pretty good window into the types of violations that get their blood boiling. They'd be foaming at the mouth over some of the allegations in UNC's report.
The Committee generally does not take kindly to academic fraud. In this case, a former tutor in the school's academic support center, Jennifer Wiley, allegedly tutored players for free after leaving her job, bought one of them an airline ticket and paid $1,789 for their parking tickets. Another unnamed tutor is accused of writing papers for two players, rendering them ineligible for the 2008, '09 or '10 seasons.
And ask USC how the Committee feels about agents (or wannabe agents like former Tar Heel Chris Hawkins, whom the school is faulted for providing access to its players). As was reported in bits and pieces last summer, the Chapel Hill campus was apparently crawling with cash-wielding runners for agents, while at the same time, players like Austin were getting flown to a training facility in California used by the late agent Gary Wichard's company Pro Tect Management -- the same company that wired $31,000 over two years to defensive line coach Blake.
Remember the infamous Paul Dee line about Reggie Bush and O.J. Mayo: "High-profile players demand high-profile enforcement?" What of high-profile assistant coaches?
Blake's nefarious role in all this (which includes his own unethical conduct charge for withholding information from investigators) is the biggest source of mystery as to how his boss, Davis, managed to avoid the NCAA's wrath. In a document outlining its Principles of Institutional Control, one of the acts the Committee cites as "likely to demonstrate lack of institutional control" is if "A head coach ... fails to monitor the activities of assistant coaches regarding compliance." But it then follows that up with: " ... the head coach cannot be charged with the secretive activities of an assistant bent on violating NCAA rules." Apparently the school did a bang-up job portraying Blake as just such a character, absolving Davis and the school for failing to uncover his secret employer.
Because of that, North Carolina may have staved off the most severe imaginable penalties, but you have to imagine they're still going to be pretty rough. Maybe it's a one-year postseason ban instead of two. Maybe it's 10 docked scholarships instead of 20. Either way, three years' worth of wins are about to be vacated.
The biggest question: Will Davis keep his job? That one will be entirely up to the school.
North Carolina brought in the former Miami savior and Cleveland Browns head coach to elevate the Tar Heels into a national contender. True to form, he (with help from Blake) reeled in and developed a bevy of NFL-caliber players unlike any the program had seen, which then completely backfired. Four years later, he's got one Music City Bowl win and nine alleged major violations to his name.
And yet, both school officials and fans remain highly supportive of him. If he's the guy they want to keep leading them in the future, there's nothing in Tuesday's document that would prevent them from doing so.
"I feel terrible that these allegations occurred under my watch," Davis said in a statement Tuesday night. " ... The responsibility for correcting any problems that put us in this position is mine, and I take that responsibility very seriously. ... I will continue to focus on improving every aspect of our football program."
That task could get a whole lot harder once the Committee gets done nuking his program sometime after its October hearing, and perhaps by then the school will be shamed into making a change. As of today, however, the official stance, as articulated by Chancellor Holden Thorp, is: "We made mistakes, and we have to face that."
Tressel made one huge mistake and it cost him his career. USC had one star player go rogue and it cost the school 30 scholarships. North Carolina is accused of nine major violations involving at least 14 different adults and roughly half its starting lineup, and yet its case may wind up causing the smallest ripple of the three.
Clearly, Davis' work is not done. His program has yet to achieve the level of notoriety needed to truly anger people with its indiscretions." |
6/21/2011 11:48:29 PM |
spooner All American 1860 Posts user info edit post |
Still cannot fathom that any reasonable UNC fan is still a) supporting Butch Davis, and/or b) thinking this isn't a big deal. If so, they're fucking absolute idiots, with IQ's lower than that of Quentin Coples. GET. THE. FUCK. OUT. OF. HERE. 6/21/2011 11:49:22 PM |
StingrayRush All American 14628 Posts user info edit post |
you know damn well she's a shitty blogger, and doesn't know shit about football (acc football anyway)
^ i support butch davis, but this is definitely a big deal and a big black eye for the program.
[Edited on June 22, 2011 at 12:03 AM. Reason : .] 6/21/2011 11:49:58 PM |
d7freestyler Sup, Brahms 23935 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards. Checkmate. " |
Hhahahahahahahaha, I just watched this episode the day before yesterday. Perfect.6/21/2011 11:50:30 PM |
hey now Indianapolis Jones 14975 Posts user info edit post |
^^ Perhaps, but she's been spot on concerning UNC investigation issues. Prove me otherwise. 6/21/2011 11:52:32 PM |
StingrayRush All American 14628 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "North Carolina has 90 days to respond to this, and considering the massive, overwhelming amount of information the NCAA is seeking -- documents, transcripts, receipts, former players' previous Tweets, phone records, Blake's credit reports -- odds are the university is going to need every one of them.
It's far from over. The NCAA wants answers. Lots of them. " |
does she seriously think the ncaa doesn't have most, if not all, of this information? obviously the ncaa got answers, or they wouldn't have issued the notice of allegations. makes no sense to do that when they've shown they can go YEARS before doling that out (USC).6/21/2011 11:56:27 PM |
cptinsano All American 11993 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "you know damn well she's a shitty blogger, and doesn't know shit about football " |
HD does suck.6/21/2011 11:58:17 PM |
Lionheart I'm Eggscellent 12775 Posts user info edit post |
HD does suck but this is one of her better articles actually. 6/21/2011 11:59:45 PM |
JCTarheel All American 2430 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "^^ Perhaps, but she's been spot on concerning UNC investigation issues. Prove me otherwise." |
Dinich doesn't know anything. Proof coming sometime after our October 28th hearing.6/22/2011 12:06:56 AM |
hey now Indianapolis Jones 14975 Posts user info edit post |
Does Greg Barnes know anything? He seems less credible than HD, but yet you guys follow him like lemmings. 6/22/2011 12:09:27 AM |
StingrayRush All American 14628 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Because of that, North Carolina may have staved off the most severe imaginable penalties, but you have to imagine they're still going to be pretty rough. Maybe it's a one-year postseason ban instead of two. Maybe it's 10 docked scholarships instead of 20. Either way, three years' worth of wins are about to be vacated." |
Quote : | "That task could get a whole lot harder once the Committee gets done nuking his program sometime after its October hearing, and perhaps by then the school will be shamed into making a change. " |
i don't believe any of this is going to happen, and if it does then you won't see me for 6 months because butch will almost certainly be fired
^ he was right about the "on or around june 10th" for the NOA, which was delayed because the ncaa wanted to interview blake on the 13th and he declined
[Edited on June 22, 2011 at 12:11 AM. Reason : /]6/22/2011 12:10:14 AM |