^^Hard to say... I might be okay with making it to the Sweet 16 every two or three years. Of course I want a National championship, but so do a few hundred other NCAA teams, and only one can win. If we don't at least make it to the ACC championship in that time, I'd be pretty disappointed. The thing is, I just don't think that bringing in a new coach is going to get that, and more than likely we'd probably have worse results for a while (and I think most people that think that bringing in a new coach would immediately (or even over a few years) result in better results are knee-jerk reactionists that lack critical-thinking skills when it comes to sports).

2/8/2016 2:49:46 PM

^What he said

2/8/2016 2:52:12 PM

Hopefully South Carolina would give us company then too lulz

2/8/2016 4:48:16 PM

I gather from the "lulz" that that was supposed to be a joke, but i don't get it.

2/8/2016 5:38:42 PM

http://www.statefansnation.com/2016/02/audio-what-defines-success-for-nc-state/

Nice listen

2/9/2016 11:34:17 AM

^That was awful, and those people are awful.

Saying that the first four years of Herb was more successful than the first four years of Gott is absurd. These people lost all credibility after that argument.

2/9/2016 3:39:53 PM

Relatively speaking, the first four years under herb were better but in terms of real results, the first 4 years of Gott were better.

2/9/2016 3:42:41 PM

From my experience when I used to read that board occasionally (SFN), they had very little credibility to begin with, imo.

[Edited on February 9, 2016 at 3:43 PM. Reason : ]

2/9/2016 3:43:27 PM

I'm still listening to that podcast. If we know we can get Archie then that seems like a good decision, otherwise Gotts prolly the best we can do for now.

[Edited on February 9, 2016 at 3:53 PM. Reason : I think Gott is more like Chuck than TOB. ]

[Edited on February 9, 2016 at 3:56 PM. Reason : SWEET 16 BANNERS]

[Edited on February 9, 2016 at 4:00 PM. Reason : Nevermind, now that I've heard the facts, I realize Herb's first 4 were clearly better]

2/9/2016 3:51:45 PM

2/9/2016 4:08:20 PM

Lol they lost their credibility when they said we lost to Kirch Heinrich. He had been in the NBA for like 5 years when that game was played. Other than that they have said a lot of the things i've been saying.

-A sweet 16 run really equates to one impressive win. One big win doesn't define a season imo especially when you are only stringing two wins in a row together.

-2013 Preseason #4 --> #12 seed in the tournament. but we should be happy about that?

-More patience with football than basketball because its easier to turn around a basketball program when you have such history.

-People have stopped showing up to basketball games. Once the donors are gone, the rug is really pulled out.

-People have the right to look down the road

2/9/2016 4:24:50 PM

^

They meant jeff Whitey. But who cares, lets look at the broader point they are trying to make.

I mean , if people are reluctantly satisfied that Gott continues to produce the same results without a Championship, there's no hope for our program.

[Edited on February 9, 2016 at 4:29 PM. Reason : ]

2/9/2016 4:27:08 PM

can somebody explain to me how sendek's first four years were better than gottfried's? i would like to be open minded about this...but i'm not sure i follow. are we basing that on the talent that was inherited?

2/9/2016 4:31:24 PM

^at first I thought thats what it was, but they said the tournament seeds and they were actually clearly better for herb. Herb had a 3, 7 and 9 (i forgot the 4th) while Gott had 8,12,8 and I also forgot his 4th.

2/9/2016 4:34:03 PM

The key for sendek is that he had a once in a decade player stay all 4 years for his team

2/9/2016 4:44:25 PM

Quote :

"^at first I thought thats what it was, but they said the tournament seeds and they were actually clearly better for herb. Herb had a 3, 7 and 9 (i forgot the 4th) while Gott had 8,12,8 and I also forgot his 4th."

ok so just we're clear, we're talking about Herb's last 4 years, not his first 4. his first 4 were all NIT seasons. i figured that's what y'all meant, but wasn't sure.

and yeah, i think that's probably a reasonable statement to make.

and off the top of my head i think the other seed for herb was a 9 or 10 or something in that neighborhood. gott's other was the 11 seed when we played SDSU in round 1.

[Edited on February 9, 2016 at 4:49 PM. Reason : f]

2/9/2016 4:48:12 PM

Cat and Warren have both been measurably better than Hodge in his senior year.



[Edited on February 9, 2016 at 4:49 PM. Reason : ^yea, the years that got him run out of town]

2/9/2016 4:48:34 PM

You said "first four years of Herb" several times

2/9/2016 4:53:53 PM

you people just can't help yourselves

[Edited on February 9, 2016 at 5:15 PM. Reason : V so fucking salty. i love it. i'll let you get back to circle-jerking with Earl tho.

2/9/2016 4:58:14 PM

^
stfu bitch. Goddamn.

[Edited on February 9, 2016 at 5:16 PM. Reason : ^ lol wtf are you 13? fucking moron]

2/9/2016 5:09:26 PM

Surprised Earl is even old enough to have been alive during Herb's first 4 years. This motherfucker has never even heard of The Jeffersons.

2/9/2016 5:18:04 PM

Quote :

"you people just can't help yourselves "

Responding to Earl is as inevitable as death.

2/9/2016 7:34:01 PM

Is there any question that Herbs last four years were better? It's obvious when you look at the seasons as a whole. Not that it matters.

[Edited on February 9, 2016 at 7:37 PM. Reason : if only we made a good hire after herb left]

2/9/2016 7:37:24 PM

The ACC is more top heavy now than in Herbs era. You had Duke, UNC, Maryland and then a pack of other teams that we could consistently beat. When Miami, VT, and BC all joined in that Hodge era, BC was probably the toughest team of the group.

2/9/2016 8:33:31 PM

lol, UNC is losing to BC, imagine if Roy didn't have 5 MickyD's AA on every squad. I laughed in the face of a carolina fan who thought Roy was even in the same league as K.

2/9/2016 8:39:21 PM

they are definitely in the "same league". Their stats are fairly comparable recently. Two championships each since Roy has been at UNC and I'd expect a similar number of wins. UNC is probably going to beat BC and is an elite team this year.

2/9/2016 8:49:18 PM

More or less but K is a better game coach (though not close to the best ever from an X's and O's perspective).

^^^^ now yes but not necesarily during Gotts first three years (before Louisville).

[Edited on February 9, 2016 at 9:46 PM. Reason : X]

2/9/2016 9:44:42 PM

Next year is make or break dude

2/15/2016 8:38:23 PM

Can we please not hear the following excuses next year:

2 sweet 16s in 4 years!!!
Not Gott's fault, he had players transfer out!
He's our best coach since Jimmy V!

[Edited on February 15, 2016 at 8:46 PM. Reason : ]

2/15/2016 8:45:31 PM

^ No it isn't. State can't do any better than Gott at this point. Dude is the best bball coach we've had in 25+ years. Sucks that we are awful this year and that is on Gott, but this is his worst season in 5 and he has DSJ coming.

[Edited on February 15, 2016 at 8:45 PM. Reason : Lol double post]

2/15/2016 8:45:31 PM

Ive soured on his ability to coach. DSJ coming in isnt going to help. With cat gone the team will look exactly the same at best.

[Edited on February 15, 2016 at 8:46 PM. Reason : M]

2/15/2016 8:45:46 PM

Getting blown out and still no burn for Kirk. And then Gott will wonder why he transfers.

2/15/2016 8:47:54 PM

^ I agree with that. Kirk should have been getting more minutes for the past 10 games.

2/15/2016 8:49:14 PM

I bet he is so happy to be here vs kentucky

2/15/2016 8:51:29 PM

he didn't really get an offer from Kentucky regardless of what scout.com says

2/15/2016 9:08:26 PM

GingaNinja is insufferable AF.

2/15/2016 9:21:41 PM

It seems that even if we had lacy, we may still be only 500 in the ACC and sneaking into the tournament

2/15/2016 9:39:26 PM

Quote :

" It seems that even if we had lacy, we may still be only 500 in the ACC and sneaking into the tournament "

I think we'd be a step above where we were last year with Lacey, but the key would've been to have him, Cat, and Henderson all together in the back court. Then we could lived with getting minimal contributions from everyone else.

With Lacey leaving, Washington transferring, Henderson's injury, Abu not really taking much of a step forward, etc. it just ended up being a perfect storm of NC State shit. Considering I think you could only really term 2 of Gott's 5 seasons as disappointments I think putting him on the hot seat is really premature, but next season needs to be a big rebound year. He'll be in year 6 and we should be on much more stable footing as a program.

2/15/2016 9:48:24 PM

Im bummed because based on the progress the supporting cast has made, next season looks like it is going to be rough as well. Anya regressing into where it is on the whole a negative impact on the team, Abu completely put back/alley dependent, martins' decision-making/shot selection, and Rowan with his shot

2/15/2016 9:58:12 PM

Yeah I wouldn't expect better than .500 in conference at best next year. Just a bunch of warm bodies with a couple unknown (albeit high ceiling) guys.

2/15/2016 10:02:01 PM

Then DSJ is gone, and it'll be us and Boston College keeping the cellar warm

2/15/2016 10:03:05 PM

Henderson gone too

2/15/2016 10:04:03 PM

Yeah, we really need to bring more people in next year unless all of a sudden we're Kentucky. I mean we'll have Dorn, Martin, Martin, and Kirk. And possibly DSJ or Abu but probably not? And that assumes no transfers. Even if we have a good recruiting class, we know freshmen aren't the most reliable players

2/15/2016 10:06:34 PM

I like Gott but don't understand how he didn't get Kirk some minutes in a game when we are down by 20 some points and Caleb and Rowan are playing terrible.

2/15/2016 10:21:25 PM

Im really upset with the defense. Its one thing to not be good at d but its almost like gott thinks he is a great defensive coach because he leaves them in man to man weven though no one on this team can guard their man. Its clear this team should be playing zone and just make a decision to shut off the paint and get rebounds. Imstead we try to stop everything and end upletting every team have their way and do whatever they want.

2/15/2016 10:24:39 PM

We are all in agreement that Gott needs to step up the recruiting. Need a pretty stud class next year or we will be stuck in the bottom quarter of the ACC. Hopefully Kirk doesn't transfer and Dorn and Henderson live up the hype. Damn you Washington, you could be getting 25+ mpg right now. Quitter.

2/15/2016 10:25:31 PM

Id be pissed too if my coach was giving PT to anya over me

2/15/2016 10:38:25 PM

The recruiting isnt the problem

2/15/2016 11:40:24 PM

Are we all on the super page that Yow messed up and should of just hired Archie from the start?

2/15/2016 11:45:52 PM

We'd be pissed at the first couple years of Archie as he implemented his system. He'd have guys transfer who don't want to play in his system, and some fans would blame him for not being able to keep anyone. If he made a couple Sweet 16s then had a down year, we'd criticize him too. And he's still not gonna out-recruit K or UNC. Probably have similar records with a more boring style of play to the casual fan.

2/16/2016 12:00:10 AM