Absolutely nothing wrong with foul shots since you shoot Fts at like 80% and from the floor at <50%

3/8/2016 11:30:17 AM

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"Unfortunately he had to shoot 25 times a game to reach 25 points and half of those points came from foul shots a lot of the time."

he wasn't TJ Warren level efficient, but he wasn't just jacking up shots either. he shot 36% on 3PTers in ACC play and 46% on 2 PTers in ACC play. those are solid numbers. and i'm sure you were being hyperbolic, but he averaged 17 shot attempts per game, not 25.

3/8/2016 12:06:04 PM

This team is sidney lowe bad

3/8/2016 1:19:38 PM

PAY THE MAN!!! wooottt!!!! Someone get him some pussies!!

3/8/2016 4:16:09 PM

that last possession with 25 seconds left was just atrocious

had a timeout to burn, too

so many different options and we went with the absolute worst one

[Edited on March 9, 2016 at 4:42 PM. Reason : .]

3/9/2016 4:40:41 PM

That team out there today lost to VT, GT, Wake, and got swept by FSU.

3/9/2016 4:44:29 PM

Obviously gottfrieds fault. He coaches Inconsistency. We always make him proud

3/9/2016 4:46:35 PM

Who will be the defensive minded assistant we bring in to replace Moxley to cool off the fanbase?

3/9/2016 4:50:44 PM

if he could retain players the way Roy and K are able to do, we could have had Warren, Lacy and Barber this year.

3/9/2016 4:51:35 PM

Quote :

"that last possession with 25 seconds left was just atrocious had a timeout to burn, too so many different options and we went with the absolute worst one "

To be fair, a drawn up play from gottfried wouldn't have worked any better. Best bet is to let your playmaker make a play. Our playmaker messed it up. Those missed freethrows made a difference.

3/9/2016 4:54:08 PM

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3/9/2016 4:55:49 PM

^^ it was clear they were setting up a 3 from Rowan

Cat is as good as it gets getting through the lane and to the rim, which is exactly what should have happened.

quick 2's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasting time setting up a 3

[Edited on March 9, 2016 at 5:00 PM. Reason : .]

3/9/2016 4:59:34 PM

Clearly after Rowan wasn't able to get open, gott should have called the timeout to draw up a new play

3/9/2016 5:15:22 PM

Officially on the hot seat

3/21/2016 2:26:46 PM

lol ok

3/21/2016 3:01:08 PM

Quote :

"if he could retain players the way Roy and K are able to do, we could have had Warren, Lacy and Barber this year."

just like tyus, winslow, and okafor. exactly.

3/22/2016 8:53:09 AM

^the list is much, much longer than that.

3/22/2016 9:31:48 AM

^^once a player wins a championship, theres no reason to come back. our players lose, and ride off into the sunset.

On the flip side, if duke was having bad season after bad season, i'd criticize k's recruiting techniques, but even after they lose everyone and have a down year, it still turns out to be a lot better than our best year under got. That really shows you that even at our best, there will always be at least 4 teams in the acc that are better than us even at their worst. There is no upside, and no hope of doing much better.

3/22/2016 10:24:00 AM

Even the hardcore sunshiners aren't denying that you knobhead. The question is that there is no alternative to Gott , you should know that after our dumpster fire of a coaching search last time around

3/22/2016 10:27:19 AM

theres thousands of coaches out there. just because we had a terrible ad who struck out swinging doesn't mean thats an indication that there are no coaches who would coach at state. asking a coach to go from texas or villanova to state is just stupid. greg marshall and tony bennett were basically begging to coach here when we were too busy trying to hire barnes, wright, and callipari. The lowe hire at least was a complete unknown. I have no idea why we hired gottfried. A coach who had already proven mediocrity in the SEC

[Edited on March 22, 2016 at 10:35 AM. Reason : k]

3/22/2016 10:35:07 AM

Maybe we need to start recruiting players who are unknown by Scout, Rivals, etc since that's what Mr. Unsuspendable thinks is the best thing for coaches.

3/22/2016 11:01:58 AM

Who hasn't been mediocre in the SEC? Calipari is about the only coach to have real success there in recent history. Having said that, Gott did win a regular season conference championship there, had his team #1 for a couple weeks, and reached the elite 8.

He's been more up than down while coaching at Murray State and Alabama...not exactly basketball meccas. He's been above average here so far and had a poor season when we lost our starting shooting guard and people were already predicting us to miss the tournament preseason.

I still have faith in the Gottfather.

3/22/2016 11:02:46 AM

how many years will it take you to lose faith?

3/22/2016 11:17:21 AM

More than one disappointing year.

3/22/2016 11:38:28 AM

but now you have to define what a disappointing year is because I've already had 3.

3/22/2016 11:45:43 AM

sounds like your definition of disappointing is not making the sweet sixteen

3/22/2016 12:11:03 PM

^^ Then you would have been disappointed for about 90% of NC State's basketball existence.

3/22/2016 12:34:01 PM

no i don't base everything the whole judgement of an entire season on the random draw of winning or losing one game in the tournament. I'd take Michigan State's season every time. Sample size.

For me:
13 and 16 were extremely disappointing
14 was somewhat disappointing.

The amount of talent we've had come through has a lot to do with it. Taking a team with top 5 talent and squeaking into the tournament excited a lot of state fans but it disappointed me.

If you are happy finishing 7th in the ACC as long as we make the tournament, then simply state that as your position and I'll respect it. Things just need to be put down on the record so you can't move the goal posts to satisfy whatever mediocre result we end up with.

3/22/2016 12:53:44 PM

3/22/2016 1:47:04 PM

Earl fighting stupid battles on multiple fronts today on tww

3/22/2016 1:49:39 PM

In five years, I think we've had two disappointing seasons.

Year 2 with juniors Brown and Leslie and seniors Wood and Howell. With that being said, we beat Duke and pasted UNC at home that year and finished 4th in the ACC (lost in the ACC semis against a stacked Miami team that was on fire). Disappointing loss to Temple in the first round of the NCAA tourney. With that being said, that team was EXTREMELY thin up front. The Big Dandy Vandy was our only back-up post player unless you count Jevoni "Block that Shit!" Robinson. We also lost Lorenzo Brown for a key stretch in the middle of league play, and lost a couple close games during that stretch (UVa and Miami) that would have helped our psyche and our eventual seeding. So while most would say we underachieved (we were overrated coming in), we had some tough obstacles to overcome and still had a decent year.

Year 5. No one expected us to make the tournament this year (aside from some very optimistic fans). I thought we had a chance if we didn't suffer any injuries and our big men developed from last year. Well we lost our starting shooting guard and most likely second leading scorer seven minutes into the first game. Not only was he suppose to be our best shooter, but he had size, could rebound, defend, and was suppose to run the point for a few minutes a game to spell Cat. So not only did it rob us of those things, it also made us overplay Rowan and the Martins. Maverick and Caleb are cold, sub in...oh wait, we don't have anyone to sub in. Trying to guess how many games we would have won with Henderson is difficult...but here were our close losses: ASU (3 points), Vtech (Overtime), Louisville (5 points), Wake Forest (3 points), FSU (4 points). And I'm not including other games (like both Duke games), where we held large leads, a lot of them in the second half.

Anya was a disappointment and Freeman was never 100% (he was probably at about 60% the last 1/4 of the year). Cat was amazing, the twins improved, Abu was a beast by the end of the year, and Maverick is going to be a good one. But the team had too much to overcome and the results showed. Although it was disappointing, I don't the majority of the blame on the coach. Maybe he could have played Kyle Washington a little more last year and kept him from transferring, but our team was better last year when Freeman took his minutes. Maybe he should have seen that Lacey was going to leave before the season even started (impossible)...so he could have started recruiting earlier. He got Maverick late, but that was never going to be a 100% replacement.

I'm not saying that I think Gott will take us to the promised land, but I think he's done pretty well so far. We don't reload like the blue bloods, so we can't expect to make the tourney and finish in the top half of the league on down years. But hopefully we're getting there.

3/22/2016 2:03:07 PM

Quote :

"I'd take Michigan State's season every time."

Yeah, I'd love a 1st round exit every single year. That would be fun to look forward to. We'd win a bunch of games when it doesn't matter, and lose the only games that do.

3/22/2016 4:14:00 PM

^ sample size of one?

3/22/2016 4:17:46 PM

I refuse to call Abu a "beast" until he can routinely hit shots from within 3 feet of the basket.

3/22/2016 4:41:28 PM

College big men with true post skills are a rarity. He was still a sophomore and they were better than last year.

He's a double double machine. That's beastly.

Beast:









[Edited on March 22, 2016 at 4:49 PM. Reason : BEAST]

3/22/2016 4:44:57 PM

Quote :

"^ sample size of one?"

i think he was questioning that person saying they would take "Michigan State's season", not their recent basketball success over seasons.

That being said, i'd love the consistency of a Michigan State for the Pack.

3/22/2016 4:55:22 PM

Great post by jbrick

Maybe calling Abu a beast is a slight case of red glasses, esp on defensive end, but he was much improved from last year, had many great games and very few bad ones.

Some off-season work on finishing and free throws and those 15-20 pt games will turn into 25-30 pt games

3/22/2016 5:00:35 PM

Quote :

"That being said, i'd love the consistency of a Michigan State for the Pack."

yeah i would also like to be a perennial national championship contender with a top 5 coach.

3/22/2016 5:38:39 PM

With cat for sure gone, wtf is gottfried going to do with all of the scholarships open

3/22/2016 7:20:36 PM

Quote :

"Maybe calling Abu a beast is a slight case of red glasses, esp on defensive end, but he was much improved from last year, had many great games and very few bad ones. "

Yah dude nearly averaged a double double. He a beast.

3/23/2016 12:49:27 PM

Look on the brightside, with DSJr being a lottery pick next year, that'll be 3 straight PGs we've gotten drafted under Gott.

That has to help in recruiting.

3/23/2016 12:50:35 PM

i doubt it because players also want to win. we have to win next year or its a wrap.

3/23/2016 1:09:35 PM

I mean we landed multiple 5* players under Lowe despite not winning much.

We landed some 5* players under Gottfried despite being a bubble team 2-3 years in a row.

We're in the ACC, we've started finally having some guys drafted again with some consistency, I think we'll be able to bring in some solid talent. I mean had we just landed Bam for next year I think people would have massive Gott-boners going, but they're still bitter about this season and missing on Bam.

If we land this 5* C from Turkey, people will get back on board with Gott.

3/23/2016 2:44:08 PM

no not until we start winning. who cares if we have nba players every year if we are in the bottom half of the conference.

3/23/2016 4:05:41 PM

Virginia Tech has become a better program than us, despite having basically ZERO fan base and playing in a dank pit. I have no basketball-related boner.

3/23/2016 4:15:09 PM

I'm waiting for Earl to slip up and use his Doeren arguments in this thread.

3/23/2016 4:34:59 PM

I'm waiting for Justin to get a boner for Earl

3/23/2016 4:44:24 PM

Too late

3/23/2016 5:00:18 PM

I dont understand the doeren comparisons because he was hired 2 years after gottfried.

3/23/2016 5:28:32 PM

I don't understand the Doeren comparisons either. Doeren has never had P5 success.

3/23/2016 7:03:15 PM