it doesn't have to show everything to be nsfw you know. just didn't expect that in sports talk.

6/23/2011 9:24:46 AM

re-post for page 159

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"It would be funny for Butch Davis to have more violations than wins."

6/23/2011 10:00:18 AM

lol.

is he still the coach cause he had cancer

6/23/2011 10:09:27 AM

UNC just waiting for NCAA punishment to be handed down so they can fire Davis without pay?

6/23/2011 10:32:04 AM

the contract clearly allows them to fire him with cause given what's happened. there's something to the effect of "if your assistants run amok, we can can your ass"

[Edited on June 23, 2011 at 10:38 AM. Reason : .]

6/23/2011 10:37:29 AM

i don't think they would be able to fire him with cause until the investigation/appeals are complete.

i mean in the unlikely event that they appealed and got shit drastically reduced, they may not have just cause to fire him.

also

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"It would be funny for Butch Davis to have more violations than wins."

6/23/2011 10:42:12 AM

They had just cause to fire him when this shit first came out months a year ago, according to his contract.

[Edited on June 23, 2011 at 10:51 AM. Reason : .]

6/23/2011 10:51:20 AM

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"It would be funny for Butch Davis to have more violations than wins."

Well, he'll have what, zero wins? Maybe a few from 2007? 9 violations > than Butch's wins already. All for the one-time, low low price of 8+ million $$$. But wait there's more... 2+ million more this year they are ready to pay, all for the low low price of 10+ million dollars.

just think about that... it's as if UNC didn't play football for 4 years, BUT

1. they spent all the money required to play a full 4 seasons
2. they took all the flak for the agent shenanigans
3. took big hits to their academic reputation
4. lost to NCSU 4 times in every way imaginable (supposed to beat us all 4 times).

I would imagine the combined coaching salaries are 3+ million, trainers and what not. Also they had to bring in the high school bleachers a couple of years for all the "excitement".

[Edited on June 23, 2011 at 10:59 AM. Reason : ]

6/23/2011 10:53:23 AM

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"1. they spent all the money required to play a full 4 seasons"

They didn't lose all the money they got from ticket revenue. It's just a business and those checks are already cashed. Only fans care about historical W-L and taking away a win changes nothing in the eyes of a fan. To them they still "won". It doesn't change their finances either. Their program still generated revenue. Ticket sales, jerseys, clothing, parking, concessions, etc. They spent all that money required to play 4 seasons and they earned money by playing those 4 seasons.

I couldn't say whether they'd be required to return some of the money they got from their bowl games. I don't know how that works.

Anyway, that's why taking away wins isn't a punishment at all. The money is spent. The only true punishment would be affecting their future revenue stream. I think the only way for something like that to happen would be for them to lose recruits and perform poorly (or poorer in this case) for a few years to the point where it affects ticket sales.

I don't keep up, but it seems like the recruits are still pouring in. Must be the "don't worry about it" attitude for parking tickets, "don't worry about it" attitude for failed courses due to academic violations, and parties with agents that are still allowed as selling points.

Heck the dude on the radio yesterday arguing how they shouldn't have been hit with LoIC was even arguing how they probably won't and shouldn't get post season bans. Time will tell I guess.

The way they handled the whole academic violations portion was a joke. Oh no, they actually failed a player? We better scramble to add them to some more courses here in mid to late November so they can remain academically eligible How's that for an institutional policy put in place to ensure rule compliance?



[Edited on June 23, 2011 at 11:34 AM. Reason : -]

6/23/2011 11:27:46 AM

All in all, thoroughly pleased with the timing of all this. It will football season soon.

6/23/2011 12:05:15 PM

it'll be brought up in commentary during every game they play on tv and there is no way to spin this into 'facing adversity' like last year.

6/23/2011 12:28:55 PM

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"there is no way to spin this into 'facing adversity' like last year."

LOL you actually believe that?

6/23/2011 12:37:08 PM

does it make me a bad person that having these college kids and coaches essentially lose their future...makes me happy?

justice

6/23/2011 1:12:22 PM

At the end of the day the kids should still be getting a scholarship for getting an education most of them would have no chance at obtaining. Other than that, I don't mind watching their NFL aspirations taking a major hit for choosing to go to this crappy school . The good thing will be a reduction in recruiting/scholarships to avoid more recruits boarding this fail boat and being dragged under by it.

And the coaches can lose their shirts over this, I couldn't care less about them
.

6/23/2011 1:17:00 PM

hey at this point if you are a UNC football player/recruit that doesn't choose to go elsewhere, you are ruining your own future...

6/23/2011 1:17:52 PM

CBSSports.com Has a good article on Blake on the front page. Interesting snippet I hadn't seen elsewhere.

http://www.cbssports.com/#!/collegefootball/story/15259054/a-gamble-on-an-old-friend-could-cost-davis-his-job-at-unc

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"The NCAA also claimed Blake and his attorney refused to provide requested documentation to North Carolina or the NCAA concerning a $45,000 deposit he received in 2007 the day after Christmas."

6/23/2011 2:02:58 PM

Black Santa ha!

6/23/2011 3:08:31 PM

Greg Barnes interview on Adam & Joe show right now.

6/23/2011 3:24:28 PM

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/video

6/23/2011 3:32:24 PM

Is that Dave Curtis guy in his bedroom?

6/23/2011 3:59:04 PM

^^No chance in hell for death penalty, but they should upgrade LOIC just based on scope alone.

6/23/2011 4:05:01 PM

i can't get it to play

6/23/2011 4:18:17 PM

try this http://bcove.me/s0jj5smh

6/23/2011 4:21:44 PM

I keep getting "the video you are trying to watch can't be viewed from your country or location"

6/23/2011 4:31:48 PM

hmm, i dunno

quick summary is the guy they interview is an NCAA writer for Sporting News...he says he is in the minority but thinks the Death Penalty should be on the table...that he doesn't think they will get it, but they should probably get something a little less harsh than Southern Cal, and that he thinks its as close to LOIC as any of the investigations since Southern Cal

[Edited on June 23, 2011 at 4:36 PM. Reason : .]

6/23/2011 4:35:49 PM

John Blake's cell phone records posted on PP:

http://tinyurl.com/6eqq8f2

6/23/2011 4:54:49 PM

I read through 42 pages of the NOA

really not trying to read through 397 pages of Verizon bills though

although I assume 216-410-5183 is Butch's cell #

6/23/2011 4:57:04 PM

Don't know if anyone has posted this, but there's an article on statefansnation.com

http://www.statefansnation.com/index.php/archives/2011/06/23/one-sfn-readers-take-on-the-noa-and-subsequent-discussion/

where a guy has some interesting conspiracy theorist stuff about what may have been redacted from the NOA. the interesting thing (to me) he says later in the article is this regarding the NCAA manual:

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"I did not see the terms “lack of institutional control,” “failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance,” or “failure to monitor” defined anywhere in the manual. In fact, with the exception of the “lack of institutional control” reference in conjunction with the post-season ban, I didn’t see any mention of those terms at all. I think these are fairly arbitrary terms given by the NCAA to establish some sort of precedent and framework for penalties. It is by no means outcome-determinative as the UNC crowd would have us believe. I think this especially true now, with a new committee chairman determined to curtail these problems."

So, my questions are these? I

Is it possible that a significantly larger hammer than we expected may come down on UNC (Especially if they are going to keep Butch et al around who were members of the staff during these indiscretions)

And

If there is no such thing as "Lack of Institutional Control" or "failure to monitor" as charges listed in the NCAA handbook, on what grounds is everyone called the FTM charge lesser than the LOIC charge, and what reasons are there to support that FTM is indicative of any type of sanctions at all? If the quote above is correct, and the NCAA just uses these terms as place holders if they need to search later and check out any precedents they may set with infractions... Could it be possible that FTM is actually a worse charge?

[Edited on June 23, 2011 at 5:37 PM. Reason : ]

6/23/2011 5:37:10 PM

^Very interesting.
2 questions.

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"Greg Barnes interview on Adam & Joe show right now."

WHY THE FUCK IS GREG BARNES CONSIDERED WORTHY OF AN INTERVIEW BY OUR LOCAL SPORTS RADIO STATIONS? I just heard the dumbasses on the morning show thanking him for giving them such good information during the development of this situation??? WTF?
Is it possible for the media to demand an unredacted version of this NOA? I mean it is still a matter of public record isn't it?

6/23/2011 7:21:07 PM

^ he's the only one anywhere close to whats going on at UNC that can be easily booked on radio shows... UNC has the lock on just about everyone else until its all over.

6/23/2011 7:28:02 PM

The redacted info is due to student privacy (again) iirc

6/23/2011 7:36:09 PM

except they also redacted Blake's and Wiley's name in some places, but not others

6/23/2011 7:36:58 PM

He's been a beacon of accuracy so far.

6/23/2011 7:37:55 PM

wow

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""John brings a unique blend of college and pro experience to North Carolina," Davis said after Blake's hiring at UNC in December 2006. "He has experience as a Division I head coach and is known throughout the country as a terrific recruiter and teacher. I had the pleasure working with John when we were both assistants for the Cowboys, and his commitment to excellence both on and off the field is unmatched.""

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"Ask Pro Football Hall of Fame quarterback Troy Aikman about that commitment. Blake accused Aikman of being a racist during the Dallas Cowboys Super Bowl championship season of 1995, but several of Aikman's black teammates dismissed Blake's claims."

I wonder if he can still play that card on BD or not?

6/23/2011 7:40:39 PM

Was listening to Adam & Joe (Adam's on vacation) on my way home from work and Joe got his sjit handed to him by 3 or 4 callers after he said with certainty that the ncaa can't get ahold of BD's personal cellphone records without a warrant or subpoena. The callers all let him know that his records - personal or not - are public property since he's paid by the state and used his phone for work.

I love it when our smartass radio guys get proven wrong publicly. Adam and Joe talk down to their callers way too much and act like their word is law

6/23/2011 8:45:27 PM

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"Is it possible that a significantly larger hammer than we expected may come down on UNC"

I think it's quite possible. Maybe I am totally biased here, but because the NCAA has never had a case of a member of a coaching staff acting as a runner for an agent I would think the NCAA would want to make an example out here and send the message that this will not be tolerated. And the word "mislead" appeared in the NOA a lot...something that, from everything I've ever heard, the NCAA does not take kindly to. I don't think enough is being made out of the charge that UNC failed to adequately look into information they received about possible violations...that seems like a pretty big deal.

^Dave Glenn does the same thing (talk down to caller)

[Edited on June 23, 2011 at 8:51 PM. Reason : ]

6/23/2011 8:49:46 PM

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" it would be funny for Butch Davis to have more violations than wins "

He did this past season.

6/23/2011 9:54:06 PM

^Pretty soon it'll be true for his entire career at UNC

6/23/2011 10:08:30 PM

TWW Wiki

Paul "Butch" Davis's Record While at UNC-CH (thru Jan 2011)

Wins|Losses|Ties|NCAA Violations
--0----45-----0------9

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/video

[Edited on June 24, 2011 at 12:07 AM. Reason : ]

6/23/2011 11:53:31 PM

Quote :

"Ask Pro Football Hall of Fame quarterback Troy Aikman about that commitment. Blake accused Aikman of being a racist during the Dallas Cowboys Super Bowl championship season of 1995, but several of Aikman's black teammates dismissed Blake's claims"

uh...not true. get your facts straight.





blake spread rumors that aikman was gay

6/24/2011 1:36:10 AM

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"Was listening to Adam & Joe (Adam's on vacation) on my way home from work and Joe got his sjit handed to him by 3 or 4 callers after he said with certainty that the ncaa can't get ahold of BD's personal cellphone records without a warrant or subpoena. The callers all let him know that his records - personal or not - are public property since he's paid by the state and used his phone for work."

Yeah they do talk down to people quite a bit. Also, the guy claims not to have a bias, so I'm guessing he's just playing devils advocate up there. At first he was going on and on about needing probable cause, subpenas, writs, warrants, and forms in triplicate to get at the 216 records. After that was shot down by the callers he went on and on about how Butch might not have used the 216 number for official business - insinuating that the records were still off limits. All this ignoring the fact (for a long while) that the 216 number already showed up in Blake's records. Also, if the university phone records were empty he was either using the 216 number for business, not conducting business at all, or there are three (or more) phone(s) he's using.

It really came across like he was trying to defend UNC to the death despite all facts. I guess they do that to get people riled up for ratings, but those guys are annoying. I'm going to start to tune out.

[Edited on June 24, 2011 at 9:48 AM. Reason : -]

6/24/2011 9:45:55 AM

I seems like David Glenn truly believes he's an unbiased observer, which is adorable.

It's just fucking sports. Just talk about it and be entertaining. We don't need to be lectured or reminded of your law degree and all the time you've spent talking and writing about fucking sports.

6/24/2011 10:02:17 AM

Joe's a state homer, and he knows it and tries really hard to balance himself on air. sometimes it comes across as being anti-state or whatever y'all want to call it, but the guy bleeds wolfpack red.

6/24/2011 10:04:13 AM

agreed. he's just also sometimes as hard headed as adam gold---I absolutely can not stand that guy. With Gold, you can put facts in his face and prove to him he's wrong, but he still thinks he's right.

6/24/2011 10:11:33 AM

^^^seriously.

[Edited on June 24, 2011 at 10:11 AM. Reason : ]

6/24/2011 10:11:41 AM

just to be fair to gold and ovies, a huge percentage of the callers seem like they are borderline mentally handicap


I still hate Adam Gold though (I haven't listened in a while)

6/24/2011 10:23:20 AM

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"It's just fucking sports. Just talk about it and be entertaining. We don't need to be lectured or reminded of your law degree and all the time you've spent talking and writing about fucking sports."

I posted this in the sports talk radio thread but I CAN'T STAND Glenn for these reasons. Its the most words with the least content of anybody, even worse than Rome. He jut goes on and on and he's not saying anything, nevermind being funny or interesting, its nothing but an endless stream of words.

6/24/2011 10:44:31 AM

Busty bridesmaid/tutor.

http://www.amanda.and.chrisbarefoot.com/bridalparty.php

6/24/2011 10:45:00 AM

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"UNC just waiting for NCAA punishment to be handed down so they can fire Davis without pay?"

Failing to fire him beforehand will increase the penalties (at least according to what I read around online).

Firing him beforehand sort of amounts to a mea culpa and lets the NCAA put on the kid gloves. Waiting until after the hearing is like saying that they still don't acknowledge that they did anything wrong at all so the NCAA will have to punish them more severely to get the point across.

6/24/2011 10:50:12 AM

^^^ Sometimes I'll listen to sportstalk radio when I go to lunch. Never catch the guy's name that I'm listening to, but it has to be Glenn from the way you're describing him, what with the lack of content in what he's actually saying and all. I can only take about 2 minutes of that shit before I change the channel, as his rambling is bad enough to inspire road-rage.

[Edited on June 24, 2011 at 10:53 AM. Reason : asdf]

6/24/2011 10:53:07 AM