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"well obviously the names don't cross themselves off and with Jacob dead and smoke-Locke or Sawyer not knowing Sayid's condition there hasn't been anyone or any reason to cross his name off."

let me try putting it this way: for someone to be a candidate, i would think they would have to be human in "original condition" so to speak. because sayid died and was "resurrected" as possibly jacob or a form of jacob where sayid is no longer in "original condition", would that disqualify him from being a candidate? is there any way for smokelocke to know that sayid is not "truly sayid" anymore?

2/17/2010 9:49:51 AM

i don't know if this was mentioned b/c i'm not going to read back that far, but i don't think jacob is really protecting the island. i think he's keeping the smoke monster on the island and protecting the rest of the world from it. someone probably already thought of this...

2/17/2010 10:10:10 AM

Did anyone else think it was bizarre that Smoke Locke crossed Locke's name off as a potential candidate list? Since Jacob created the list shouldn't Locke still be a candidate? Does anyone else think that in the alternate story they will end up back at the island? It seems fairly obvious they are all still being drawn to one another or is that all a big tease?

Also, I am anxiously waiting to find out what in the hell is happening with Desmond.


[Edited on February 17, 2010 at 10:15 AM. Reason : asdf]

[Edited on February 17, 2010 at 10:18 AM. Reason : V Fixed it. Will alternate Locke get surgery and fix his back only to return? Blarg.]

2/17/2010 10:12:54 AM

He crossed off Locke's name, not Sawyer's

2/17/2010 10:14:10 AM

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"keeping the smoke monster on the island and protecting the rest of the world from it"

makes sense. but if the 'man in black / smoke monster' leaves the island, does the island lose its powers? Seems to me that the island has the power - not just jacob or MIB... maybe the island has its powers from ancient times in order to keep MIB prisoner?

2/17/2010 10:14:55 AM

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"He crossed off Locke's name, not Sawyer's"

correct

2/17/2010 10:17:05 AM

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"Does anyone else think that in the alternate story they will end up back at the island?"

yes. I thought the same thing after ep1 this season. Ya gotta think that the real, live Locke in the alternate timeline ends up being the hero versus MIB somehow.... they just cant let him go out a pointless martyr and revenant of anubis' evil...

2/17/2010 10:17:21 AM

okay sorry i haven't been in here in a while, but who are you referring to as MiB and why?

[Edited on February 17, 2010 at 10:31 AM. Reason : ]

2/17/2010 10:29:10 AM

Man in Black, Jacob's enemy, Smoke Monsta

[Edited on February 17, 2010 at 10:34 AM. Reason : He was wearing black when we first saw him last season]

2/17/2010 10:33:59 AM

ohhh yeah. okay thanks.

so smoke-locke wants off the island b/c he's "been trapped so long he's forgotten what it's like to be free". he knows sawyer really wants off the island too, and he can't kill him to keep him from taking jacob's job (of keeping MiB on the island). so he offers him his 3 options, figuring he'll pick the last, and he kinda does. sawyer asks how they'll get off, locke says we'll do it together, b/c he can't leave the island by himself.

that's my hypothesis. i really want to see what aaron's gonna do/how he fits in here.

2/17/2010 10:38:57 AM

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"Did anyone else think it was bizarre that Smoke Locke crossed Locke's name off as a potential candidate list? Since Jacob created the list shouldn't Locke still be a candidate?"

? Locke is dead, thus is not a candidate for anything.... regardless of who created the list or crosses names off of said list.


For those who think the boy was Aaron; aaron is only like 3-4. So for aaron to be that boy, who was 10-12 or so, he'd have to be from the future or something. -- It's Lost, and not out of the question... but I hope that's not the case, I really don't want to see another person jumping through time.

2/17/2010 11:07:37 AM

the kid was clearly Jacob's next clone as a child that had to be activated early due to the death of the previous Jacob clone.

2/17/2010 11:17:23 AM

lol, maybe Sam Rockwell will show up as an other.

my first guess was that he was a young jacob and that he was telling him he couldn't kill Sawyer. I saw elsewhere that someone thought it was someone else (maybe aaron) saying that he can't kill Jacob, it's against the rules.

2/17/2010 11:23:06 AM

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"For those who think the boy was Aaron; aaron is only like 3-4. So for aaron to be that boy, who was 10-12 or so, he'd have to be from the future or something. -- It's Lost, and not out of the question... but I hope that's not the case, I really don't want to see another person jumping through time."

i was trying to do the math too based on how old the boy looked. i didn't think it would be possible for the boy to be aaron assuming he did not time travel and nothing else hokey happened. but of course, who the hell knows lol.

2/17/2010 11:31:08 AM

he was also wearing very jacobesque clothing.

2/17/2010 11:32:06 AM

my initial thought was jacob too, but then we hadn't seen where aaron (the baby) fits in but they keep showing/implying how important he is...so i just kinda hope this kid is him.

2/17/2010 11:42:26 AM

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"? Locke is dead, thus is not a candidate for anything.... regardless of who created the list or crosses names off of said list."

However, alternate Locke is not dead and don't mean to imply that dead Locke will rise from the grave. The current season is focusing on him heavily still and I don't think it's coincidence that alternate Jack mentioned a free consult to examine his condition. We are not sure yet if the alternate reality will tie back in with the current story. Just saying that Smoke Locke can not cross a name off of the list.

2/17/2010 11:42:33 AM

Aaron is living happily off-island with his grandmother in that timeline.

2/17/2010 11:45:45 AM

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"Just saying that Smoke Locke can not cross a name off of the list."

now that'd be irony... altLocke coming to the island to defeat smokeLocke

2/17/2010 11:46:23 AM

as one site noted, the boy is probably a rapidly growing incarnate of Jacob. Perhaps they both new the rules early, you can't just kill each other because you just return to the island in the same form over and over again. Perhaps MiB thought by having someone else (Ben) kill Jacob it might break the "spell", but since Sawyer clearly saw him too MiB may now know it didn't work. thus the whole backgammon/chess match going on between them.

[Edited on February 17, 2010 at 11:52 AM. Reason : add]

2/17/2010 11:51:00 AM

^i see what you mean, but didn't the boy say, "you can't kill him"? wouldn't it make more sense for him to say, "you can't kill me"?

and, was i just not paying close enough attention, or did anyone else think that first time we saw the boy, his arms had blood on them? maybe it was just the light.

[Edited on February 17, 2010 at 12:06 PM. Reason : .]

2/17/2010 12:03:54 PM

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"Just saying that Smoke Locke can not cross a name off of the list."

i'm just saying there's nothing to make me think that is true for any reason whatsoever. What makes you think that?

For all we know, smokey and jacob were together when the list was created. Maybe Jacob writes them and smokey crosses them off. Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see any rule book that said MiB wasn't allowed to cross off names.

And actually, maybe Jacob didn't write the names at all. Maybe Smokey did and just told Sawyer that. Maybe he's trying to figure out who Jacob is planning to have replace him and is just keeping tabs.

who knows. But we definitely don't know that MiB CANNOT cross names off of the list.

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"as one site noted, the boy is probably a rapidly growing incarnate of Jacob"

That's what i was kinda thinking. nothing to support it though. i did see on another site someone was saying that and they were saying in backgammon (which was brought up in the first couple of episodes of the series), when a piece is taken or something (idk the rules of backgammon) it just goes back to the beginning and starts over. -- maybe a stretch, but interesting.

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"did anyone else think that first time we saw the boy, his arms had blood on them? maybe it was just the light."

He definitely had something on his arms and hands. I thought it was blood.

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"but didn't the boy say, "you can't kill him"? wouldn't it make more sense for him to say, "you can't kill me"?"

I initially thought he was talking about Sawyer. Maybe he can't simply kill the candidates? Someone else has to kill them, or they have to leave by their own choice? If it's really a bit of a game, he could easily just kill them and be done with it. So that rule would make it more interesting. And maybe that's why he didn't kill some of the people he "judged", maybe he was able to see that they were top contenders? I can't really remember who all smokey judged and let live or killed, etc.

[Edited on February 17, 2010 at 12:17 PM. Reason : .]

2/17/2010 12:07:53 PM

I like the whole warden/prisoner theory with Jacob being the warden and the smoke monster being imprisoned on the island.

Thinking about it further, i wonder if smokey cant leave the island unless the warden does as well. The new warden, since Jacob was killed, is one of the people's whose name isnt crossed out, but smokey doesnt know who it is yet, so he has to either find out, or convince them all to leave.

2/17/2010 12:10:26 PM

^^the blood on the boys arms could be burns bleeding/healing from the fire or something like that aswell.


and did he say "you can't kill him?" I'm not at home so i can't check, but i just thought he said "You know the rules". was it "you know the rules, you can't kill him?"

2/17/2010 12:18:28 PM

yeah, it was "you know the rules, you can't kill him."

2/17/2010 12:21:41 PM

Was that Walt that delivered the airport bags to Locke's house?

2/17/2010 12:59:22 PM

Assuming bizarro 815 landed in 2004, Walt was 10

2/17/2010 1:15:23 PM

nope, his voice didn't match.

i have to admit though, whenever i see a young black person on the show i'm all "omfg it's walt, fuck yes". same goes for adult aged black people and michael.

i'm not racist i swear!

2/17/2010 1:15:53 PM

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"For all we know, smokey and jacob were together when the list was created. Maybe Jacob writes them and smokey crosses them off. Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see any rule book that said MiB wasn't allowed to cross off names. "

I must have missed the wording but I thought Smoke Locke said Jacob created the list. Granted, I don't think he said it was Jacob specific to who could cross out names, but he did imply that he was not sure how Jacob came up with the list. The only explination offered was that Jacob was good with numbers. I only said Smoke Locke cannot cross out names because he is implying an inability to understand, therefore, how could he cross Locke out without Jacob's input?

2/17/2010 2:52:04 PM

i believe he said jacob had a thing for numbers, and he can cross out Locke without jacob's input because both jacob and locke are dead.

2/17/2010 3:16:04 PM

^^ i think you misunderstood. Or at least are understanding it far differently than I.

And he did say that Jacob created the list. But that doesn't mean he doesn't understand it. I didn't create a 5 gallon bucket, but I understand them quite well. And I can tell you when something is or is not a 5 gallon bucket.

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"but he did imply that he was not sure how Jacob came up with the list"

What did he say or do that implied he didn't know?

MiB/Smokey/Etc. said that Jacob created the list (again, that's what he says). True or not, he said nothing about not understanding the list. He actually claims to know exactly what the list is, a list of candidates to replace Jacob. He also knows that Jacob has touched all of these people. When Saywer said he never met him, MiB assured him that Jacob has indeed met him and touched him. At which point they flashed back to his parents' funeral and Jacob giving him the pen. He also explained the 3 possible outcomes for a candidate (take the job, die, or leave).

Sawyer asked what the numbers were, he said that Jacob has a thing for numbers. He didn't say nor imply that he didn't understand what the numbers were. Nor did he comment on whether they were important or not. Just said that Jacob has a thing for numbers and left it at that. He also hasn't told sawyer that he's the crazy ass smoke monster either. Nor did he tell him much about the boy. So maybe he knows and just didn't want to say?



Maybe I missed something, but from what I saw: MiB knows Jacob created the list, what the names are, that Jacob has had contact with all of these people, their options now that they're on the list, etc. To me, it sounds like he understands it perfectly well enough to know when someone can be crossed off.

[Edited on February 17, 2010 at 3:29 PM. Reason : ^^]

2/17/2010 3:19:34 PM

i'm interested to find out why he picked those numbers. and how did everyone know the numbers....for example, rousseau's transmission, and the numbers in the hatch

and sawyer probably gets out of the cave through another exit we haven't seen yet.

i also remember early in season 1 or 2 there was mention of "jacob's list". is it the same list as the candidates?

2/17/2010 3:47:54 PM

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"rousseau's transmission"

Rosseau's transmission replaced the numbers transmission

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"i also remember early in season 1 or 2 there was mention of "jacob's list". is it the same list as the candidates?"

Jacob's list is most certainly the names in the cave

2/17/2010 3:50:38 PM

Anyone read the write-ups by Doc Jensen on ew.com? They're usually pretty good at summarizing everything and he does a good job of researching the references to books, music, etc. during the episodes.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20313460_20344822,00.html

2/17/2010 3:58:44 PM

i usually read lost and gone forever and alan sepinwall. will check this one out too

2/17/2010 4:05:03 PM

when helen and locke are talking about just eloping, she says locke can invite his dad

which means in this timeline, locke and his dad still have a relationship, which possibly means his dad didn't push him out of a window.

so how did sideways locke get into the wheelchair?

2/17/2010 4:19:31 PM

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"and the numbers in the hatch"

they were the serial numbers for the metal.

2/17/2010 4:28:05 PM

exactly...but that can't be coincidence..

and how did the numbers get programmed to be the key for the computer

2/17/2010 4:37:33 PM

The Dharma folks obviously knew about the numbers, having lived on the island from which they were being broadcast. (This brings up the question of why they didn't shut down the radio tower)

Maybe they just used the numbers for things as a kind of inside joke.

2/17/2010 4:45:27 PM

were they broadcasting the numbers when Dharma was in control? Or was it after the purge that the numbers were being broadcast?

2/17/2010 4:55:12 PM

Didn't Hurley's mental ward buddy hear them while monitoring the Pacific during "the war"

2/17/2010 4:56:56 PM

Was Frank mentioned as a candidate at one point? What happened to that idea?

2/17/2010 4:57:59 PM

nvrmd

[Edited on February 17, 2010 at 9:49 PM. Reason : wrong thread]

2/17/2010 9:49:21 PM

again

[Edited on February 17, 2010 at 9:53 PM. Reason : again]

2/17/2010 9:52:59 PM

smoke locke was transistioning to and from old locke during the scene with the boy. Can't believe you all missed that. "Don't tell me what I can't dooooo" and smoke Locke not remembering seeing the boy immediately after the whole thing gave it away.

2/17/2010 10:02:38 PM

I thought you were done with this thread.

2/17/2010 10:15:04 PM

I was, but then my thread got ruined and mods haven't showed up yet...

2/17/2010 10:19:26 PM

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"Didn't Hurley's mental ward buddy hear them while monitoring the Pacific during "the war""

I think that guy was just in the navy and was at some listening post. I don't remember him looking like he was old enough to have been in Vietnam. - according to lostpedia, he (leonard) herad the numbers in 1988 (not if he said that or what).

[Edited on February 17, 2010 at 10:52 PM. Reason : .]

2/17/2010 10:50:26 PM

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"smoke locke was transistioning to and from old locke during the scene with the boy. Can't believe you all missed that. "Don't tell me what I can't dooooo" and smoke Locke not remembering seeing the boy immediately after the whole thing gave it away."

I don't think so...The "don't tell me what I can't do" thing is just showing that the man in black has somehow inherited Locke's memory or spirit or whatever when he turned into him. He's not merely taking his body as some sort of bodysnatcher or something. And he DID remember seeing the boy; he was lying to Sawyer.

2/18/2010 1:27:06 AM

"This is the worst funeral I have ever been to"

[Edited on February 18, 2010 at 2:13 AM. Reason : .]

2/18/2010 2:01:09 AM