^^ barkley said that a while back

5/19/2012 2:27:55 PM

Bynum is 2 years younger than Howard, has a better offensive game, is a much better FT shooter (even though he's still not a good FT shooter), and as far as I know, isn't a self entitled prick who has asked for his coach to be fired

just because Perkins shoves him around for one game doesn't mean that Bynum > Howard argument doesn't have legs

5/19/2012 2:58:54 PM

Right now Howard is better overall. When Bynum is at his best he is better but he is way too inconsistent to be considered better overall. Not going to try to predict who will end up better.

5/19/2012 3:41:37 PM

its pretty close...Howard puts up a little better numbers (except FT%) but he's also option #1 on his team and not 2 or 3 like Bynum...gotta figure Bynum would grab an extra rebound or two each game if he wasn't playing with Gasol

Season	Team	G	GS	MPG	FG%	3p%	FT%	OFF	DEF	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	TO	PF	PPG
11-12	ORL	54	54	38.3	0.573	0.000	0.491	3.7	10.8	14.5	1.9	1.5	2.2	3.2	2.9	20.6
11-12	LAL	60	60	35.2	0.558	0.200	0.692	3.2	8.6	11.8	1.4	0.4	1.9	2.5	1.7	18.7

5/19/2012 3:50:57 PM

Not going to start a stat argument again but will state that I disregard the similarities in their stats simply because I don't agree that stats tell the whole story about what takes place in a basketball game.

[Edited on May 19, 2012 at 3:56 PM. Reason : maybe they are equivalent fantasy players though]

5/19/2012 3:56:25 PM

jesus, Clippers 33 Spurs 11 after one

5/19/2012 4:00:20 PM

Too early. Gonna be hard for them to stay focused and keep the lead.

5/19/2012 4:11:11 PM

Quote :

" wade is far superior to kobe at this stage in their careers"

nah, both are overrated and rely on refs but wade even moreso. If wade and kobe switched teams, it would show.

5/19/2012 4:17:23 PM

^^good call

Spurs have outscored them 48-24 since the 1st

[Edited on May 19, 2012 at 5:16 PM. Reason : 58-24 now]

5/19/2012 5:06:40 PM

I realize you were probably kidding about Kobe being on Wade's level, but just in case.

Player A: .497/.268/.790 with 4.8 reb, 4.6 ast, 1.67 stl, 1.29 blk, 2.6 to in 33.2 min per game

Player B: .430/.303/.840 with 5.4 reb, 4.6 ast, 1.19 stl, 0.31 blk, 3.5 to in 38.5 min per game


The two aren't really even comparable.

5/19/2012 5:49:24 PM

Wade is 30 years old, only place he can go is down

5/19/2012 6:01:00 PM

these Spurs aren't going to lose a series

5/19/2012 6:07:00 PM

^sixers in sixer

[Edited on May 19, 2012 at 6:08 PM. Reason : (joke)]

[Edited on May 19, 2012 at 6:09 PM. Reason : i just realised that metta world peace sounds like a horse name. ]

5/19/2012 6:07:55 PM

17 game winning streak!!!!! Go Spurs Go!!!



[Edited on May 19, 2012 at 6:11 PM. Reason : Gotta love how Pop decided to keep putting Reggie Evans at the free throw line.]

5/19/2012 6:08:22 PM

5/19/2012 6:10:14 PM

Player A: .427/.154/.696 with 3.5 reb, 3.6 ast, 2.13 stl, 1.38 blk, 2.8 to in 36.7 min per game

Player B: .425/.308/.845 with 4.5 reb, 4.7 ast, 1.4 stl, 0.2 blk, 3.0 to in 39.6 min per game

playoff stats (since this is the playoffs)

Wade is a better shot blocker...

5/19/2012 6:12:29 PM

Yelling at the coach doesn't win championships. I used to like Wade until he got an ego...



[Edited on May 19, 2012 at 6:25 PM. Reason : .]

5/19/2012 6:24:27 PM

yeah Wade is playing like shit in the playoffs, no doubt.

Kobe just being his usual self, riding his teammates coattails.

I'm thinking they get smashed tonight.


The Thunder do need to start taking this series more serious though. Benching Harden for half the game and playing scrubs like Fisher is just not showing the Lakers any respect. I'm not sure if they're just saving their energy for the Spurs, but I'd like to see them play for the win today and put an end to this series.

5/19/2012 6:32:04 PM

Quote :

" If wade and kobe switched teams it would show"

5/19/2012 6:39:20 PM

^^hardens efficiency would go down if he played big minutes. The OKC are not taking it easy. The lakers figured out how to guard the pick n roll in game 2 and should be up 2-1 if Kobe didn't suddenly turn into Javi for the last 2 minutes of game 2.

Quote :

"Kobe just being his usual self, riding his teammates coattails."

Whose coat tail did he ride in game 3? I'm curious to hear this one.

5/19/2012 6:49:57 PM

obviously the refs, the game was rigged

5/19/2012 6:52:37 PM

If wade and kobe switched teams, Kobe would be ringless. So yeah, i guess it would show.

You can't seriously believe that Kobe has been better than Wade in any of the past several seasons.

Wade is an elite player and has been one for years. He's having a terrible playoffs this year, but that's not typical from him. I'd imagine he'll bounce back.

5/19/2012 7:43:08 PM

Elite players don't have terrible playoffs

5/19/2012 7:58:18 PM

You know what face, you're probably right. Switch the two and theres no way Kobe would have won a title on a team with Shaq.

Also no way he would have got bounced by the Mavs with Lebron and Bosh.

5/19/2012 8:05:12 PM

^ I don't even understand what point you're trying to make.

Are you agreeing that if Wade/Kobe switched places over their careers that Kobe would be ringless? If so, cool.

5/19/2012 8:16:44 PM

haha, your blind hatred for Kobe is hilarious

i thought a few pages back you at least admitted he used to be an elite player

now you're basically saying he's always been average, and wouldn't have even been able to win a title with Shaq in Miami

5/19/2012 8:21:43 PM

in all likelihood he wouldn't have won a title in Miami.

Wade was RIDICULOUS in that series, and it's unlikely (though ill concede not IMPOSSIBLE) that Kobe could have come close to matching that level.

Saying that Wade had Shaq in Miami is like saying Lebron had Shaq in Cleveland.


Wow, Kobe had Glen Rice one year!

5/19/2012 9:02:14 PM

The officiating was RIDICULOUS in that series. The refs spoonfed wade a championship.

5/19/2012 9:10:13 PM

Laying the farm on Oklahoma in this game. I expect a margin of 8+.

5/19/2012 9:11:13 PM

agreed, it took blatant cheating and spectacular play by Wade for Miami to win that series.


So Kobe would have to play out of his mind AND the refs would have to cheat equally as bad as they did. (and JET getting ejected for Game 5) for us to assume Kobe wins that title.


^ i'm really surprised OKC isn't a significantly bigger favorite in this game. I don't think brooks is going to play a soft lineup tonight.

Don't forget Kobe was 9-25 FG in game 3. If he didn't have those 18 giftwrapped FTA's, he would have had another disastrous game. Can't bank on the refs for two in a row.

[Edited on May 19, 2012 at 9:14 PM. Reason : a]

5/19/2012 9:12:12 PM

Quote :

"Saying that Wade had Shaq in Miami is like saying Lebron had Shaq in Cleveland."

Either way, Wade has a ring, Shaq has 4, Kobe has 5, Lebron has zero...thats reality, not some "if Seattle had kept Pippen, Jordan would only have 2 titles, prove me wrong" type magical make believe shit

^^I expect the game to come down to the last 30 seconds, just like games 2 and 3

course maybe OKC hits a ridiculous amount of their jumpers like they did in game 1, who knows

5/19/2012 9:16:37 PM

and horry has 6!

Horry is better than Barkley.

Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino.

Ayush Mahesh Khedekar had a role in Slumdog millionaire which won best picture. He's better than every actor who hasn't.


I'm not interested in engaging in your stupid ass arguments anymore. Who cares how many titles a role player has won? It's an interesting factoid, but it's a terrible way to assess who is better.

5/19/2012 9:30:33 PM

according to you:

Kobe is the 3rd best shooting guard of all time behind Jordan and Drexler

Kobe has been a role player his entire career

you sure do have high standards!

5/19/2012 9:33:50 PM

Kobe's career based on LONGEVITY has been quite amazing. He was a .200 type player for years. He's ceased to be one the past couple of years and fell off a steep cliff this year in particular to where he was a below average SG.

He was never a dominant ELITE type player like MJ, T-Mac, LBJ, Paul, Howard, etc were at the top of their games though.

He's always had the potential to be one I believe, but he never had the aspirations. He preferred shooting a ton and chasing scoring records and fame. Which is smart, because we all know with the scoring comes the $$$

5/19/2012 9:42:46 PM

well, basketball games are won by the team that scores the most points...not to go all John Madden, but points are kind of important in basketball...pretty sure they don't award wins based on most rebounds

Kobe this season must be the only below average role player to ever finish 2nd in the league in scoring though, thats quite the accomplishment

Quote :

"MJ, T-Mac, LBJ, Paul, Howard"

did any of them ever score 81 in a game? oh sorry, nevermind, scoring points is a pretty worthless stat in basketball

5/19/2012 9:44:59 PM

Scoring isn't very important. How many times are we going to go over this?

Efficient scoring is the most important factor in basketball.


Inefficient scoring is essentially worthless.


This isn't rec league. There's not one kid on the team who can score. This is real basketball. The guys who play in the NBA are professional basketball players.

5/19/2012 9:49:55 PM

Quote :

"Scoring isn't very important."

When the NBA starts determining who wins games by field goal percentage, let me know

This is real basketball. This isn't a sports economist's blog.

5/19/2012 9:50:54 PM

you're joking right? You're coming at this like a 9 year old.

You don't get unlimited amounts of shots in a real basketball game. There are a finite amount of possessions.

This isn't your backyard where you keep going "3...2...1.....ehhhhhhh" right before you shoot. And if you miss you just replay the situation over and over again until you finally make it.

When you miss a shot in a real basketball game it hurts your team. It has an actual consequence and it effects the outcome of the game.

5/19/2012 9:55:16 PM

you can go 20/21 from the field and pull down 50 rebounds

if the other team scores more points than your team, you lose the game

saying scoring isn't important is stupid, in any sport

i'm stating the absolute obvious, yet you disagree with it

and then when Kobe actually scores 18 efficient free throws, you don't give him credit, you say its a referee conspiracy

5/19/2012 9:58:21 PM

Sometimes I envision you walking around saying things like "socks on then jeans, yeah, thats the fun way to put them on. socks first".


C'mon. You're better than this. Stop flooding the playoffs thread with trolling.

5/19/2012 10:01:36 PM

and you probably walk around naked in public and when people look at you strange, you chalk it up to them following conventional ways of thinking even though your aerodynamics are more efficient than wearing clothes

lets postpone this til after the game so one of us can call out the other one about what Kobe did or didn't do, and the other one can remain dead-set in their previous opinion

5/19/2012 10:08:48 PM

Face's argument would be sound but he's forgetting one thing. Theres a shot clock and theres no stats for shotclock adjusted fg%. If there was, stats would become a little more important but STILL wouldn't tell the whole story. His logic still insists that teams are better off not shooting the ball once the shot clock is below 5. If the entry pass can't be made for a high % shot, just eat the ball instead of throwing up a risky shot.

Face needs to start watching games before he can understand how basketball works. He admits he missed the games and only reads stat sheet matrices and numbers crunched from a formula. Not going to cut it.

5/19/2012 10:12:09 PM

When it's all said and done I just hope Kobe can manage to shoot 40% FG for the series.

He's at 36.8% right now.


It's a very small sample size but if he shot like that for the whole season he'd be ranked #403 right behind current superstars Jerry Stackhouse and Baron Davis.


(And ahead of noted sniper Kemba Walker, thanks MJ! No need to take a guaranteed stud like Faried or Leonard when there's a guy available that misses nearly every shot he takes)

5/19/2012 10:22:07 PM

E-man, you are dead wrong. You're not intelligent enough to comprehend the formula.

The formula takes turnovers into account which is exactly what a shot clock violation is.


Also, the formula is WEIGHTED by position so Kobe's effectiveness is being compared to OTHER SG's.

Kobe isn't the only player in the league that has to take a shot at the end of the shot clock occasionally. You might argue that he takes a few more than most players because he often dribbles around aimlessly because he dislikes passing and is too washed up to get into the lane as frequently as other SG's... and if you took that argument you might be onto something.



I've missed like 10-12 playoff games TOTAL so far. I also check every box score. There have been many times in the past where I've thought someone had a pretty good/bad game and upon checking the box score I realized I was wrong. That's why you should always consult the box score before forming an opinion by relying on the fallible "eye test".

[Edited on May 19, 2012 at 10:26 PM. Reason : a]

5/19/2012 10:24:32 PM

damn Sessions just pulled an Olajuwon

(thats a pivot pass fake btw, since the box score can't show it)

5/19/2012 10:36:34 PM

^^Watching the game in the context of plays made is more than an eye test. There are several types of plays that have a huge impact on the game that don't show up in the stat sheet.

Every sg doesn't have the same role as Kobe. Only the ones who play without a dominant pg or sf who is the closer. Also no one else on the lakers will jack up a shot late in the clock because they know kobe is on the team and shoots ~35% on bad shots. That is probably the highest bad shot fg% in the league. His teammates realize this and give him the ball in bad spots late in the clock.

Again, this affect is magnified by the fact that the best two teammates cannot handle the ball and the pg is not a shooting point guard.

[Edited on May 19, 2012 at 10:51 PM. Reason : creating shots]

5/19/2012 10:49:10 PM

Harden 1-6 from behind the arc IN THE FIRST HALF

pretty obvious he used to play for Sendek

5/19/2012 11:35:08 PM

game should be canceled too much condensation due to all of the activity in the building. westbrook got hurt in vein.

5/19/2012 11:37:06 PM

game should be canceled too much condensation due to all of the activity in the building. westbrook got hurt in vein.

5/19/2012 11:37:06 PM

Terrible half for OKC, not sure they can win this game they arent even trying to get loose balls or play defense.

Kobe had a pretty good half, but I agree with you guys these flops are getting annoying. When Lebron, Kobe, Wade, etc all just flop and get whistles it kinda kills the sport. Kobe has taken it to the next level where he flops WITHOUT the ball.


The Westbrook injury is actually interesting. The Thunder are a better team if they put Harden/Sefolosha together in the backcourt. The scary thing is that Brooks has a LOVE fest with Derek Fisher so he'll probably play Fisher instead and in that case they have no chance of winning the series if Westbrook isn't okay.

Making Harden guard Kobe while you have Sefolosha on the bench and Fisher in the game is just ridiculous on so many levels.


Cant believe i forgot to mention WHY THE FUCK IS BROOKS PLAYING PERKINS STILL?!?!

He is sinking this team. You can't play a guy who sucks 30 minutes a game under any circumstance. He can't rebound, he can't score, he sets illegal screens, he can't defend. Andrew Bynum might have the first ever quintuple double this game if they leave Perkins in on one leg.

Bynum in the first half 7-11 fg, 14 pts, 7 reb, 4 ast, 1 stl, 2 blk, 0 to. That's a good GAME already

[Edited on May 19, 2012 at 11:47 PM. Reason : a]

5/19/2012 11:41:57 PM