here's a question ive always had about "releasing documents": How do you know they released all of them? you don't right?

6/29/2011 9:15:22 AM

I hope the NCAA doesn't just say, "give us all your documents," and hope for the best. I'm sure they request specific documents and I would think it would be fairly easy to figure out if something is missing from the list.

Nobody is going to give up incriminating evidence willfully no matter how "unprecedented" their level of cooperation.

6/29/2011 9:28:54 AM

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"Scoring to his magisty WaffleIron on packpride, butch has refused to release his 216 records and his bank records. Obviously it will have to go to court to get those phone records because he used it as his work phone."

thank you for pulling a packpride and not reading my post, and the person who quoted it, both of which were on the SAME PAGE.

6/29/2011 11:34:38 AM

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"magisty "

someone find jennifer wiley at once

6/29/2011 11:51:06 AM

I want someone to request the tutors financial information. I cant wait to see how much money she was actually sending/recieving and where she got it from.

6/29/2011 12:23:57 PM

^no way anybody is getting anything from her, she has one the same lawyers as the defense in the duke lax case

6/29/2011 12:42:37 PM

not only that, but I don't see a scenario where she would be required to give it.

6/29/2011 1:32:40 PM

^ The only way it's possible if it comes out that Butch was paying her a large sum of money. Then the IRS starts to get interested. But that's got about a .00000000126% chance of happening.

6/29/2011 1:39:21 PM

If you think Butch wrote her a personal check(s) I've got beach front property in Kansas for sale. Cash every time.

6/29/2011 1:47:34 PM

OK...can we do a little investigative journalism and find out who is financing her to pay for the lawyer. Can we start there?

6/29/2011 1:48:39 PM

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"Butch's emails why the hell have they not been seen yet?"

FERPA, duh. talking to agents about students' futures certainly should be protected under FERPA, right?

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"I'm sure they gave them the same story: Look no calls, I just didn't conduct ANY business over the phone."

Nah, they just used the "I didn't know" defense. "Hey, look, I didn't know I was supposed to actually communicate with people... Come oooonnnnnnn!!!!"

Quote :

"Scoring to his magisty WaffleIron on packpride, butch has refused to release his 216 records and his bank records. Obviously it will have to go to court to get those phone records because he used it as his work phone."

What part of the fucking LAW do these assholes not comprehend?

^^ exactly. they laundered money the old fashioned way

[Edited on June 29, 2011 at 1:50 PM. Reason : ]

6/29/2011 1:50:19 PM

Some impressive research being done on the 216 thread on PP.

6/29/2011 3:22:44 PM

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"FERPA, duh. talking to agents about students' futures certainly should be protected under FERPA, right?"

Seriously, FERPA is there to keep people from trying to get at your grades and not much more (or at least it shouldn't be).

6/29/2011 3:59:32 PM

I'm thinking about throwing the PP cats a bone and building a little dataviz widget so they can get all googly-eyed when they see the links between the phone numbers


should be easy enough to do, I'd just need some help with the data entry shit (because I don't want to parse through those phone records myself)


also I really need to question if i have enough time or interest to do the news agencies' work for them

6/29/2011 5:20:13 PM

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"Some impressive research being done on the 216 thread on PP."

Yep...the good stuff starts around page 10 or 11 of that thread. But definitely some interesting stuff in there. Here is the link to page 11 of the thread for those interested

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=178&f=2515&t=7632790&p=11

From that thread:

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"Anyway, more info.... holy crap... DICK BADDOUR spoke with Butch extensively in 2010, on Butch's 216-410-5183 number. 4/23 5/18 5/26 -- at 4:09 pm. Butch and BLAKE talked at 3:27pm that day. 6/7 6/8 6/28 x2 6/30 x3 7/2 7/8 7/14 x2 8/3 8/4 x3 8/5 Then things start getting hot and heavy... 8/23 8/24 8/25 x5.... AND, Baddour also had calls from the 216-409-3302 number, so this is obviously another phone line of Butch's. 8/26 x2 8/29 x2 8/30 8/31 9/1 x3 9/2 x3 ... and then virtually every day for awhile. I only looked through the end of September. It should be noted that Baddour made calls to BOTH of Butch's 216 numbers again on 9/22. So how in the WORLD can Butch's 216 numbers (since we now know there are two different ones) NOT be considered "business" lines, since he talked with his A.D. virtually every day in 2010, once all the NCAA allegations began to hit? Media? Is anyone reading this?"

[Edited on June 29, 2011 at 6:21 PM. Reason : quoted]

6/29/2011 6:19:43 PM

The fact that Butch and Blake talked daily should nix the idea that Butch had no idea what Blake was up to, both to the NCAA and to the UNC brass (lets pretend they care bout the truth for a moment). Forget all the "they were friends for 36 years...Blake was the Associate head coach......Blake's reputation was shady before Butch" etc. In the eyes of the NCAA, they say the head coach is responsible for knowing what goes on, well, there's documented proof of countless phone calls on a daily basis. There's no way to dispute this, and it is not curcumstantial. Curious as to when they release Butch's emails? Also, someone mentioned that Thorp or Baddour could go into Butch's office (again, if they cared about finding the truth) and demand to see his Ohio cell phone records. Thorp made a big spectacle back in August during the presser about "getting to the bottom of all this."

edit: Also, in Butch's contract, it staes that major violations that occur that the coach should have known about can be grounds for a show cause. Well, that pretty much means that UNC could fire Butch yesterday without pay and if he sues, all UNC needs to produce are the call logs between he and Blake to a judge to show that they were having daily conversations, open and shut case.

[Edited on June 29, 2011 at 9:28 PM. Reason : .]

6/29/2011 9:21:11 PM

-jadn
did save a copy of the wedding site? if so can i get a copy?

6/29/2011 9:25:03 PM

I got you, son

6/29/2011 9:41:31 PM

@jpgiglio- Results of a 40-minute interview with Todd Stewart(aspiring agent) will be in Thursday's paper.

@jpgiglio- His versions of the infamous trips to Miami and the NCAA's are not the same.

6/29/2011 9:48:05 PM

6/29/2011 9:50:44 PM

^^what the fuck does that even mean?

Is the agent trying to cover for austin and co.?

or

Is the agent going to blow up austin and co. spot even more than it already was?

[Edited on June 29, 2011 at 9:55 PM. Reason : ^]

6/29/2011 9:55:42 PM

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"and it is not curcumstantial"

Saying things doesn't make them true.

It is circumstantial, but that's ok because we can use that here.

6/29/2011 10:34:46 PM

^
You forgot to add your tagline to your post.

6/29/2011 10:43:09 PM

I'll be interested to read the Gigilo article...

I'm sure a lot more money/benefits were received than what was in the NOA...the NCAA probably couldn't dig up everything (and the players probably couldn't remember it all)

[Edited on June 29, 2011 at 10:48 PM. Reason : ]

6/29/2011 10:47:15 PM

^ Yeah, looking forward to that article. At best it'll hurt UNC. At worst it won't help them. Either the guy spills the beans about stuff the NCAA didn't know about and they go looking for more dirt, or he disputes their findings, they ignore him, go about their business, and tear UNC a new one anyway.

6/29/2011 11:02:51 PM

since he has already been accused of providing impermissible benefits to at least 3 players as outlined in the NOA, not sure what he gains by spilling the beans. i am doubtful this will be very damaging for UNC.

6/29/2011 11:23:44 PM

Since he was already named in the NOA, I really doubt he's gonna come out and say that he really provided many more benefits to the players than what the NCAA knows about...I'm guessing the interview will be more about the culture of the agent business. Or not. But I don't see him further implicating himself in the whole mess (maybe he calls out other agents or tries to clarify his side of the story). Still, should be interesting...but I'm not expecting an earth-shattering, UNC damning story tomorrow. But I am interested in what differs between his story and the NCAA's, as Gigilo tweeted.

[Edited on June 30, 2011 at 12:01 AM. Reason : ]

6/30/2011 12:00:21 AM

^maybe we're lucky and he's just petty, or got screwed by whoever is in charge of him and wants to blow things up

not getting my hopes up though

6/30/2011 12:02:06 AM

http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/06/30/1310970/stewart-defends-his-role.html

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" In a 40-minute interview with The News & Observer and Charlotte Observer, Stewart said he is being used as a scapegoat by the NCAA and the University of North Carolina. He said he did "good things" over the years for his friend Austin, but he denied the NCAA's assertions that he paid for trips made by Austin and UNC teammate Greg Little or that he offered other improper benefits. He also denied ever working with Pro Sports Financial, the Fort Lauderdale, Fla.-based group of financial advisers named in the June 21 Notice of Allegations delivered by the NCAA to UNC. "My name is out there for what went on, but it's untrue. It's all lies," Stewart said in a phone interview Friday. "At the end of the day, the NCAA needed to pin it on somebody, and I was the only one who would talk to them." "

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"The bulk of the expenses cited by the NCAA, Stewart said, were for paying for Austin and Little to travel to Miami. Stewart denies that he covered those travel costs. Stewart was interviewed by the NCAA's Chance Miller (noted in the NOA as occurring Aug. 19), and told him that he has lent his car to Austin and has let him stay at his house in Landover, Md., but that he didn't pay for any of the players' trips cited by the NCAA as improper benefits. "I didn't pay no seven thousand dollars for no body to do nothing," Stewart said last week. "That's ridiculous.""

I hate that this provides a crutch for UNC to lean on when defending what they did...but at the same time I love how it's going to piss them off and they'll keep crying about how the "NCAA was out to the get them"

6/30/2011 8:39:13 AM

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"I didn't pay no seven thousand dollars for no body to do nothing"

Is that an even or odd number of negatives? Also, was there any finger crossing involved?

_________________________

I didn't pay no seven thousand dollars = I paid seven thousand dollars
+
no body to do nothing = nobody does nothing = everyone doing at least one thing
=
I paid seven thousand dollars for everyone to do at least one thing.





[Edited on June 30, 2011 at 8:50 AM. Reason : -]

6/30/2011 8:46:23 AM

NCAA would like to call ibonics translator to the stand.

6/30/2011 9:11:31 AM

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"the bitch set me up"

6/30/2011 9:17:52 AM

god dammit it's ebonics

and this doesn't give UNC a crutch for anything. clearly the NCAA has a vastly different idea of what this guy did.

6/30/2011 9:41:57 AM

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"You forgot to add your tagline to your post."

NOT AstralAdvent

6/30/2011 10:06:41 AM

6/30/2011 11:11:24 AM

^^^It doesn't give the university a crutch...but it's something their fans will whine about. Not that it really matters what their fans say.

6/30/2011 12:43:54 PM

all it means is Austin and Little were eventually more honest with the NCAA than this guy

wonder how the UNC fans will spin it though...I'm sure they're content believing him, but also blaming him for their entire mess

6/30/2011 1:55:55 PM

Get your popcorn back out....something is about to come out in the next 5 days and it won't be good (for the Holes atleast)

6/30/2011 2:58:12 PM

where did you get 'next 5 days' from?

6/30/2011 3:08:15 PM

^^Ok, thanks for the no information!

^I bet it'll take you one guess.

[Edited on June 30, 2011 at 3:11 PM. Reason : .]

6/30/2011 3:09:09 PM

6/30/2011 3:12:07 PM

Gold:

http://tarpirate.blogspot.com/

6/30/2011 3:23:16 PM

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"Oh yeah and I saw on the news that CAROLINA won the world series!!! SUCK IT YANKESS and BO SOX!!!! LOL!!!! WE WIN NATTTY CHAMPS and I'm so busy getting paid I don't even know!!!"

lulz

6/30/2011 3:34:44 PM

^^that dude is just making shit up, he has no idea what is going on

he says we've never beaten the 'criminoles'

6/30/2011 3:50:35 PM

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"Thorp made a big spectacle back in August during the presser about "getting to the bottom of all this."

"Getting to the bottom of all this." clearly means "getting all this shut swept under the rug." duh!

^ that dude is obviously not serious. read a little more and you'll see that he's just trolling and not a real UNC fan

[Edited on June 30, 2011 at 4:01 PM. Reason : ]

6/30/2011 3:59:44 PM

^^it's obviously a joke

6/30/2011 4:02:13 PM

6/30/2011 4:04:58 PM

Trying to read that "216" thread over on PP made my head hurt....

6/30/2011 4:05:39 PM

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"^^it's obviously a joke"

well it wasn't obvious enough when i read a few lines hastily

6/30/2011 4:17:48 PM

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"SHUT UNDER THE RUG"

6/30/2011 4:31:55 PM