A reporter stated it on a premium board, they didn't say it was a rumor, they stated it as fact

In reality, the Goodman thing most likely isn't a rumor either, the tweet is phrased as a direct quote from Abu

5/6/2016 2:40:51 PM

Maybe his handlers are just trying to negotiate more playing time or more touches. Maybe he's gone. I'll wait for something official.

5/6/2016 2:45:25 PM

Same as everyone else........

5/6/2016 2:46:43 PM

rather than speculating based on twitter...

5/6/2016 3:03:42 PM

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"Maybe his handlers are just trying to negotiate more playing time or more touches. Maybe he's gone. I'll wait for something official."

you're right that we should wait for something official. but negotiating for more play time is funny...dude is gonna play 30+ mpg next year and averaged nearly that this season. but i get what you're saying.

and fwiw, he wasn't the feature guy in the offense this past year and probably won't be this coming year either.

[Edited on May 6, 2016 at 3:47 PM. Reason : not laughing at you saying that, laughing at the thought of him being upset with PT]

5/6/2016 3:46:58 PM

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"rather than speculating based on twitter..."

What are you even talking about?

Reported fact: he said he was considering leaving

Reported fact: coach(s) flew to Boston today discuss

What is speculation about that?


Now that said, here is something that IS speculation/rumor: it's not the minutes but that he doesn't want to play center

5/6/2016 3:54:11 PM

I'm just saying when that Goodman tweet got posted here, many TWWers got on their normal chicken little shit. Based on some ESPN guy's twitter and not an official word from the school or Abu. Not you necessarily, but I mean everybody was shitting bricks because of a damn tweet about some possibilities.

The only thing I've read that's "official" is he was testing the waters in the draft workouts, which more players will do nowadays than in the past since they can get more NBA scout feedback than before and have a longer deadline than before (as long as they don't hire an agent). I don't put much stock in him transferring anywhere. That would be a ridiculous move by someone who wants to go pro as soon as he can.

[Edited on May 6, 2016 at 3:58 PM. Reason : .]

5/6/2016 3:56:45 PM

I don't think people are pissed off because of transfers. I think people are more concerned/pissed off with the entire establishment because these aren't players playing 5-10 minutes and are pissed because they arent getting minutes.

these are players that either start or play significant minutes and contribute. who gives a fuck if Shawn Kirk wants to transfer but Abu/Martins/Lewis/Washington/Purvis, we deserve to know what the issue is with the program.

Are we constantly recruiting over these kids? have the replacements been better, except for Lacey? I certainly don't think so.

something is wrong. Gott will need to come up with at least 2 if not 3 more players this year. I don't think we can do it. You cannot build a foundation on 5th year Seniors and Transfers. IMO

5/6/2016 4:08:39 PM

^^Abu said he was considering transferring. I don't know if you expect a press release or something but a reporter cant just make up a quote without suffering consequences.

Now sure that "considering" may be very, very low, but the fact that it is greater than 0 is concerning, especially given that it would seem to be a crazy move for him. Hence why we discuss it.

[Edited on May 6, 2016 at 4:18 PM. Reason : Aaaa]

5/6/2016 4:17:15 PM

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"[allegedly] Abu said he was considering transferring. "

5/6/2016 4:36:22 PM

I get it guys, but let's not pretend Gottfried isn't a buffoon.

5/6/2016 4:42:40 PM

maybe he was considering transferring to a new dormitory

5/6/2016 4:44:14 PM

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"I think people are more concerned/pissed off with the entire establishment because these aren't players playing 5-10 minutes and are pissed because they arent getting minutes. these are players that either start or play significant minutes and contribute. who gives a fuck if Shawn Kirk wants to transfer but Abu/Martins/Lewis/Washington/Purvis, we deserve to know what the issue is with the program. Are we constantly recruiting over these kids? have the replacements been better, except for Lacey? I certainly don't think so. "

Lewis certainly got recruited over (you can't have forgotten Cat already). With the Martin twins, it was pretty obvious they weren't both going to continue getting ~30 minutes a game next year with Henderson and Dorn in the rotation, and that's why they left. Washington and potentially Abu are the head-scratchers of the list.

5/6/2016 5:52:37 PM

^^^^i mean...are you saying Goodman is just making shit up? there's no reason to believe he'd make that up. there's a HUGE difference between "considering transferring" and actually transferring. Abu is still on the team. i agree with TT10, and others, saying that i don't really believe he will transfer because that would just be pretty dumb - having to sit a year and all that. people, myself included, were overreacting at the initial tweet saying Abu was considering going pro or transferring. but there's still no reason to believe Goodman is just making things up. it's not like PigPen said that.

5/6/2016 6:54:53 PM

Yeah, Gott hated Lewis from day one. TJ Warren was the only reason Lewis was here for his sophomore season. It was pretty common knowledge that he liked playing with Lewis at PG.

But yes, when starters are leaving (not for the NBA) it's hard not to freak out.

To me, it seems like gottfried plays favorites, and that causes problems.

5/6/2016 7:13:52 PM

maybe it's partially playing favorites. but i also just think some of it's his rotation preferences...he only goes maybe 8 players deep. so if you've got 10 guys on scholarship, there's definitely gonna be a guy or two on outside looking in.

5/6/2016 7:20:20 PM

Lol at this entire page

5/6/2016 8:59:29 PM

I know you guys have excuses for all of them but brown, leslie, and lacey are also all bad exits. Its pretty clear that the common thread is they see no value in spending another year with this staff.

5/6/2016 9:02:38 PM

Leslie could have gone to the draft a year earlier, but I don't hear Gott getting praised for convincing him to stay.

And focusing on a bunch of juniors or older players who leave is fucking stupid. When it's an underclassmen, yes, it's an issue. When it's Lacey or Leslie, you're just being selfish acting like everybody who isn't a surefire top-5 pick is gonna stay in school for 4 years.

[Edited on May 6, 2016 at 9:31 PM. Reason : .]

5/6/2016 9:30:56 PM

5/6/2016 9:41:30 PM

it sucks losing guys like lacey, and other upper classmen, but we keep losing folks who demand getting significant minutes/starting. we need to fill up our bench with 2 star type guys so we can develop some actual depth rather than force our starters to play 35+ minutes.

5/6/2016 9:42:16 PM

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"brown, leslie, and lacey are also all bad exits"

In the NBA, already stayed an extra year, and old as fuck with a family to support.

5/6/2016 10:10:41 PM

^allegedly

5/6/2016 11:05:46 PM

PigPen reference FTW

5/7/2016 5:05:15 AM

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"we need to fill up our bench with 2 star type guys so we can develop some actual depth rather than force our starters to play 35+ minutes."

i get the sentiment. but people already bitch about Gott being unable to develop talent.

5/7/2016 7:34:14 AM

We have two national titles, a NBA arena, a great fanbase (still top 20 in attendance in losing season), great city in Raleigh and yet you people defend a .500 ACC coach with players that play a lot of minutes trying to jump ship.

Is it HB2 to blame now? If Anya hadn't pissed in the only shot in his career outside of 5 feet, Gott probably is already fired. Do you all know how empty PNC is going to be this coming year once Abu makes it official he is gone? We haven't landed any JUCOs or transfers yet. Things are not going to get better.

5/8/2016 12:41:44 AM

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"a NBA arena, a great fanbase"

5/8/2016 1:24:20 PM

Lol

5/8/2016 1:27:12 PM

raleigh is a boring ass city and our campus life is bottom of the barrell. At least at a place like gt you are in atlanta. Meanwhile the college town campus life is amazing. Our players have to go to chapel hill to have fun. We get the worst of both worlds.

[Edited on May 8, 2016 at 2:45 PM. Reason : none of that means we have to keep a shitty coach ]

5/8/2016 2:44:02 PM

Well in Gotts defense, Tyler Lewis wasn't an acc level point guard. And cat is the best pg we've had since corch... and probably better than him

5/8/2016 2:56:05 PM

nvm

[Edited on May 8, 2016 at 4:05 PM. Reason : never adjust]

5/8/2016 4:05:25 PM

^^Zo was pretty solid. I liked Lewis when Zo was out because he didn't play as timidly. I think he certainly would have been able to play at the ACC level if he wasn't afraid of being benched after every TO. Would have been nice to have the depth at least.

Crazy to think what our teams could have looked like without all of the departures (expected/reasonable or otherwise).

5/8/2016 5:15:20 PM

Looking back the TL transfer did not hurt us at all. He was still not a major conference level PG this year. Played less MPG this year than he did at State. Shot .387 from the field and .292 from 3 and a whopping 5.9 PPG.

Nobody is really blaming Gott for that.

5/9/2016 12:08:18 PM

You people are ridiculous.. Gott has four NCAA berths, two resulting in Sweet 16 appearances, in 5 years. The last time we had that much success was under Jimmy V. Gott is the best basketball coach we've had since... BY FAR.

The one year he sucks is right after his star player leaves unexpectedly and he has an injury right out the gate.

I really don't understand what people hope to get here... What's even more baffling is who the hell you think we're going to get to replace him?! If we fire a coach that went to the Sweet 16 twice in the last 5 years (one being only ONE year removed), who the hell is going to take a job to replace him? There seems to be no logic to the talk at all!

[Edited on May 9, 2016 at 11:56 PM. Reason : I swear, I can spell... really.]

5/9/2016 11:43:40 PM

Saying he is better than previous coaches is not saying much. He can be our best coach since v and still be bad even though i think herb was better.

5/9/2016 11:50:12 PM

^^ The lunatic fringe doesn't do logic. They do emotion-fueled miserableness, which they love to wallow in. They get no joy from the highs, only the lows. It's sad really.

5/9/2016 11:55:19 PM

Didn't Herb's teams finish dead last in the conference in rebounding like 5 years in a row? I'm sure mambagrl would love that.

5/9/2016 11:57:22 PM

I just expect more from an athletic program that calls me every year for my donation that I always oblige to. Given the resources, this is a poorly ran business. By business i mean football and basketball.

[Edited on May 10, 2016 at 12:07 AM. Reason : ,]

5/10/2016 12:05:07 AM

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"Saying he is better than previous coaches is not saying much. He can be our best coach since v and still be bad..."

How many coaches in the country can tout two Sweet 16 appearances in the last five years?! I would wager it's under 10 at most. How someone in that company could possibly be considered "bad" is beyond me... And even more so, who is out there that we can recruit for the job that has anywhere near those credentials?

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"...even though i think herb was better."

Wait, what?!? Herb was 5/10 getting to the NCAA tourney, and only one Sweet 16 in those 10 years. And for the record, he also happened to be known for running off talent.

5/10/2016 12:05:49 AM

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"How many coaches in the country can tout two Sweet 16 appearances in the last five years?! I would wager it's under 10 at most. How someone in that company could possibly be considered "bad" is beyond me... And even more so, who is out there that we can recruit for the job that has anywhere near those credentials? "

First of all, making the sweet 16 is not a real goal. It means you won two tournament games. "win two big games in a row" is not one of my ultimate goals.

I'm not saying its been all bad but enough time has passed to see that gott isn't going to accomplish more. He's had some extremely talented teams and had disappointing seasons. winning a few games at the end doesn't erase the disappointment of that season when we should have been winning those types of games all along.

When talent drops off, you saw how bad things get and when talent was high things weren't great in the first place. That signals to me that there is no real upside. We're never going to have much more talent than we've had in the gott years but even herb's best seasons were better. Its apples and oranges though. The program and conference are in much different positions now. Herb came in to a nothing program while Gottfried inherited a talented team. Either way, I don't see why we would be comparing them anyway. Its not a choice between gottfried and our former coaches.

5/10/2016 12:27:10 AM

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"winning a few games at the end doesn't erase the disappointment of that season"

Yeah, when Beejay Anya hit that hook shot to knock off the #1 seed and send us to another Sweet 16, I couldn't celebrate because I was bathing in the disappointment of some losses in December.

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""win two big games in a row" is not one of my ultimate goals. "

How about "win four big games in a row," is that insignificant too? Not as important as competing for a mythical regular season championship, eh?

[Edited on May 10, 2016 at 12:38 AM. Reason : .]

5/10/2016 12:37:37 AM

^^Can't believe it but I agree with that entire post. Herb's first five are not comparable to Gott's five.

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"How many coaches in the country can tout two Sweet 16 appearances in the last five years?! I would wager it's under 10 at most."

Off the top of my head: K, Roy, Boeheim, Bennett, Brey in the ACC alone. Sean Miller, Self, Izzo, Pitino, Calipari, Bo Ryan, Mark Few, Tom Crean, Chris Mack, Dana Altman, Billy Donovan, Gregg Marshall, John Beilein, Lon Kruger. So it is not under 10....but nice try. I've got at least 19 that have just as many.

[Edited on May 10, 2016 at 12:48 AM. Reason : Cronin has 1? Huggins 1/2? Pearl is close as well]

[Edited on May 10, 2016 at 12:49 AM. Reason : forgot Mike Brey so 19+]

5/10/2016 12:47:20 AM

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"Herb's first five are not comparable to Gott's five."

Yeah, Gott's were much better. No way in hell you would've advocated keeping Herb after his first 5 years based on how we have 2 national titles and a top fanbase and (at the time) an NBA historic arena, we're NC State, we should be just as good as we were in the mid 70s!

5/10/2016 12:51:00 AM

^^ What he said...

Gott has the highest win percentage, both overall and in conference, of any coach we've had since Jimmy V. He's finished 4th in a conference twice that has four coaches in it that are already insured to be hall-of-famers. Teams like Duke, Carolina, Louisville, and Syracuse can recruit top talent to sit on their bench... we can't at the moment, but if Gott's next 5 years looks similar to his first 5, we might start to.

Regardless, you still haven't answered the real question.. who the hell are we going to recruit? If Gott is "bad," then the options sitting on the wire are horrendous, and no coach that's even similar is going to touch us with a 10' poll if they see our expectations are so high that multiple Sweet 16 runs won't cut it. Even the thought is ludicrous.

5/10/2016 12:54:29 AM

Jesus Christ this arguement has taken place about a million times you troll.

Starting Fives inherited:

Herb

Gainey
CC Harrison
Ish Benjamin
Jeremy Hyatt
Danny Strong

Sidney

Atsur
Fells
Grant
Costner
McCauley

Gott

Zo
CJ Williams
Wood
CJL
Howell

5/10/2016 12:55:20 AM

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"K, Roy, Boeheim, Bennett, Brey in the ACC alone. Sean Miller, Self, Izzo, Pitino, Calipari, Bo Ryan, Mark Few, Tom Crean, Chris Mack, Dana Altman, Billy Donovan, Gregg Marshall, John Beilein, Lon Kruger. So it is not under 10....but nice try. I've got at least 19 that have just as many."

Fine, so lets say 25.. which of those coaches is going to take a job at NCSU, especially after we fire a coach with one unsuccessful season in the most competitive conference in the country?

5/10/2016 1:00:19 AM

Who gives a fuck about starting 5's inherited? Herb couldn't even make the damn tournament in 5 years. Some of those starting 5's are damn near 30 years old by Herb's 5th failure before he finally made the dance. Yet you act like all of a sudden you'd be patient with Herb's first 5 years, instead of being a hyper reactionary douche that you normally are any time State loses a game.

even when Earl says you can't even count Doeren's first year when he went 0-8, that's at least more reasonable than you basically saying you can't count Herb's first FIVE years

[Edited on May 10, 2016 at 1:07 AM. Reason : .]

5/10/2016 1:01:05 AM

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" Yeah, when Beejay Anya hit that hook shot to knock off the #1 seed and send us to another Sweet 16,"

psst...that shot beat LSU, not Nova. but that's not meant to refute your overall point.

5/10/2016 7:35:04 AM

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"win two big games in a row" is not one of my ultimate goals. "

What in the fuck are you talking about? So you have no interest in doing well in ncaa or acc tourney??

5/10/2016 7:41:12 AM

We're finally beating Duke and/or UNC each year(save for this year) and making the NCAA Tournament(save for this year).

The plan was to find a good coach that had some staying-power, surround him with a good recruiting staff, and start laying the foundation for the changing-of-the-guard that is about to happen in the ACC. K, Roy, Pitino, and Boeheim won't be coaching for much longer. So we either continue to let Gott make us a stable top 25 program where we make the tournament most years, or we burn it to the ground and hope we somehow magically find some amazing coach that can lay his foundation before that coaching change happens.

Have your past coaching searches taught you guys nothing? We can't just bring in a top coach because we're in the ACC and we were great in the early 80s. Remember we ended up with Lowe because everyone passed on us after we treated Herb like shit? You think coaches will want to join a program that just fired a coach after one bad season?

5/10/2016 9:04:35 AM