I don't understand - its like Lowe knows what the problem is but he can't get the players to understand it on a consistent basis and actually do it. Its like there is a breakdown in the communication on what they are suppose to be doing.

1/26/2010 11:35:49 PM

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"^^ at the 2? Mays, Davis, Williams...all before Horner. At the 3....I would still go with Williams or Davis most of the time. Depends on the matchups. I just don't think there are many people he can matchup with as a 2 or 3 in the ACC. I mean realistically....i'd prefer he not be on the court on the defensive end"

i agree that davis is an upgrade defensively and i love his energy, but he is a non-factor on the other end. if there are other scorer on the court, davis makes sense. williams is only mildly better on d and is even more non-existent than davis, at least davis crashes boards (i'm honestly flummoxed by cj's regression this year...). mays...well, mays theoretically has quickness and, as you say, SHOULD be a HUGE upgrade at the 2 on D. but he consistently gets blown by, caught out of position, plus he is a human turnover and his hands are the black hole where our O goes to die.

to summarize: mays sucks

[Edited on January 26, 2010 at 11:37 PM. Reason : ^yea he needs to get vandenburg to understand we dont need him to be goofy and white]

1/26/2010 11:36:48 PM

red blazer is 1-1

not. too. shabby!

1/27/2010 12:06:09 AM

I almost wonder what the difference would be next season in letting Javi player-coach the team. Any time I think I see progress with Lowe he does something stupid enough to completely negate it. Did we really need Painter to show up tonight and shoot a 16 footer? Why do we see a lineup with 2 of Davis/Williams/Vandenberg on the floor EVER, much less every game? Will our defense ever have a ceiling higher than below average?

1/27/2010 12:11:24 AM

Vandenburg is a good defensive player, but he needs to be locked in a gym for a week and learn how to shoot

1/27/2010 12:12:56 AM

he doesnt even need to do that. we need to teach him one back to the basket move. or, failing that, just tell him to turn and try to dunk it every time he gets the ball. if nothing else, he could pick up fouls that way

1/27/2010 12:15:43 AM

I think we could increase Vandenberg's confidence by getting a "BIG DANDY VANDY!" chant going.

1/27/2010 12:24:39 AM

yeah. that will help.

what a stupid nickname.

1/27/2010 12:26:02 AM

i think i've had enough of sidney lowe. great guy. love him to death. just not bringing in the W's to save his life.

ugh. im just moody. ill be better maybe next week

1/27/2010 12:37:31 AM

this isn't your blog, queer. no one cares about your emotions

1/27/2010 12:38:28 AM

ok I think the Big Dandy Vandy is a fantastic fuckin nickname

1/27/2010 12:50:05 AM

you would, shit for brains.

1/27/2010 1:02:04 AM

thanks love you too sweetheart

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 1:03 AM. Reason : fuck unc]

1/27/2010 1:03:25 AM

Amazing how this thread was to be locked last week and now is in full force.

Ahh NC State how I loathe ye athletics program.

1/27/2010 1:11:02 AM

it's fun to watch, ain't it?

1/27/2010 1:16:14 AM

I think what bothers me most is that we never seem to play a full game. It's just one good half in the majority of our games against decent competition. This game was a perfect example. Solid 1st half performance, terrible second half. Same story with Maryland the previous game. We just aren't putting it all together.

IMO next year is it. Barring a miracle we will not make the tourney this year, putting him at 0/4. If he goes 0/5 on NCAA tournament births that's gotta be a wrap considering we had made the tourney the previous 5 years prior to Lowe taking over. After this season everyone in the program will be someone he brought in. No excuses for us not to be as good as we were with the the previous coach.

While Herb was never going to be the coach to get us back to the point where we could contend for the final 4 occasionally he at least got us back into the tournament on a consistent basis. Don't get me wrong, I don't miss him and we did need to look for the coach to get us to the next level up, it seems very likely at this point that Lowe was not the answer.

If Sid can't put us in the tourney after 5 years he needs to go.

1/27/2010 3:40:58 AM

^ agreed but me thinks the only reason he has his job next year is Ryan Harrow, Lo Brown and the potential chance of getting CJ Leslie.

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 8:53 AM. Reason : can't spell]

1/27/2010 8:52:42 AM

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"the only reason he has his job next year is Ryan Harrow, Lo Brown and the potential chance of getting CJ Leslie Lee Fowler"

If we want to get technical about it.

1/27/2010 7:31:30 PM

and cothron

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 7:39 PM. Reason : ^^]

1/27/2010 7:39:40 PM

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"Vandenburg is a good defensive player"

hahaha

hahahahaahahah

AHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH


you're killing me man, killing me, pshew



fyi, being tall is not the same as being a good defensive player. vandenberg plants himself in hte lane and occasionally gets a block whne somebody drives at him. but the guy has no mobility and no strength and is def not a good d player, at least not yet.

1/27/2010 8:35:33 PM

dude plays pretty good d for a 230lbs 7'1" project prospect

1/27/2010 8:58:05 PM

I'd say he has the potential to be a great defensive player. He already makes pretty much everyone alter their shot. And he's quick...compared to your average 7'1" white guy that is. Unfortunately, he also fouls like crazy with the constant swats and hand check shit.

1/27/2010 9:51:04 PM

Vandenberg needs to be locked in the gym and not let out until he puts on about 30 pounds of muscle, learns how to shoot the ball from 6 ft. and in, and learns at least 2 post moves.

Defensively he's not a liability or anything, but right now he's a swatter, which means he'll never play more than 20 minutes a game before fouling out. If he can unlearn that bad habit he could be a presence in the paint on the defensive end.

1/27/2010 10:07:54 PM

Who is this Vandenberg player that you're referring to as a project player?

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 11:28 PM. Reason : Ohhh.....you mean THE BIG DANDY VANDY]

1/27/2010 11:27:39 PM

Vandenberg is a decent defensive player for a freshman. He still gets caught out of position and picks up fouls, and he needs to put on weight, but he's not bad

1/27/2010 11:51:47 PM

^He's a helluva lot better then most expected he'd be at this point considering that:

A) He's a freshman
B) He's getting used to playing a more physical brand of basketball
C) He still needs to put on another 30 lbs or so to fill out his frame

I expected him to sit this year while learning the game and getting bigger. Hell I was just hoping he'd eventually make some contribution to the team down the road. I think that it's safe to say that Vandenberg will make a far bigger impact at State than anyone outside of the coaching staff initially expected.

1/28/2010 8:41:03 AM

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"If we want to get technical about it."

good point

MrLuvaLuva85

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" and cothron"

after watching him play, me thinks he is over-hyped so i purposely left him out of that list but thats just my opinion.

1/28/2010 9:59:33 AM

well, he did drop 31 on CJ's team (some of which were while CJ was guarding him). Not saying he will be great, but I'm excited to see what he can bring.

1/28/2010 10:01:07 AM

Quote :

""When you're trying to have an advantage over the opponent, you don't want ‘shiny,'" Lowe said. "You want something that makes them say, ‘Why do we have to play in here?'"

http://tinyurl.com/yabtbnc

1/28/2010 12:30:11 PM

I don't disagree with him but it looks pretty weak to say that after you just got smoked by 14 at home. Playing that game in Reynolds wouldn't have changed the outcome

1/28/2010 1:14:30 PM

UVA game makes me hate how much we lost to UNC that much more.

EVERYONE is destroying them right now and they killed us. GG guys.

2/1/2010 2:41:19 PM

Well, in good news, we're making the tourney next year

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/source-march-madness-with-96-teams-done-deal-27742

NCAAT - still credible?

2/1/2010 2:50:08 PM

IMO, this years's team has exceeded my expectations. For a team w/ not a lot of raw talent, and even less experience, they've played some good ball and put up some good fights. Yeah, we've had some shitty droughts, and a few poor games, but i'm happy with this team.

Just for comparsion, for those who think Sid is uncreditable, consider that Roy Williams the Great has much more talent on his team, yet they're arguably a worse basketball team than us this year, at least so far. Well, except that they beat us at home. But otherwise.

So is Roy Williams uncreditable as a college coach?

2/1/2010 3:00:04 PM

He still beat our ass....all his "talent" is based on recruiting rankings which is what most of you go by instead of watching the games. I still maintain that our team should have beat them. I don't see how you could argue that. After we beat Duke, the talent excuse should have went away. Obviously we are good enough to beat the best team so we should be able to hang with anyone.

2/1/2010 3:03:41 PM

sorry boozie, you're wrong. williams and mays, for example.

2/1/2010 3:13:25 PM

our talent is still worse than UNC's by a good measure but I don't think the gap is going to be any closer than it is this year. we're pumped for harrow/brown but they get 3 of those guys every year. some of them suck, but most don't. that loss was terrible and one of the most discouraging games all year. not just that they beat us at home, but that they housed us by fourteen. awful

2/1/2010 3:17:08 PM

^^Oh ok good comeback. You know many of you want Lowe around because of his recruiting skills and then at the same time say our team lacks talent. So which way is it exactly?

And are you seriously questioning the coach with the highest active winning percentage's ability to coach? Roy has 2 titles. Lowe has 2 big wins. No comparison. Stop with it already. If Roy is so bad, then why did our team get beat badly by his team? Pretty stupid to even mention it.

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 4:23 PM. Reason : At what point will you guys stop blaming the players and start blaming Lowe?]

2/1/2010 4:11:20 PM

I think it could be said that talent can mask bad coaching. I mean Doherty won Coach of the Year there FFS.

2/1/2010 4:37:57 PM

packboozie, do you think this team would be playing better if roy was our coach?

b/c right now we're playing better than them. yes, i know they beat us, but that happens. they had one of their better games of the season, and we had one of our worst. but you can't argue (although i know you will) that if you compare the talent of the scholarhip players, they're much deeper than us. and yet we're doing better. how? why? please tell me packboozie, b-ball guru who is such a huuuuuuuuge fan.

EDIT:

And I'm not blaming anybody. I said I think the team is playing better than I expected this year.

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 5:09 PM. Reason : ]

2/1/2010 4:48:37 PM

How exactly are we doing better than them?

You guys have lost it. Look at the standings....we're at the bottom. Plus they waxed our ass.

Quote :

"packboozie, do you think this team would be playing better if roy was our coach?"

ABSOLUTELY. Anyone that says they had rather have Lowe coaching than Roy Williams is a fucking idiot.

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 5:21 PM. Reason : Cool last place exceeds your expectations, no wonder you love Lowe]

2/1/2010 5:19:49 PM

"Playing better" is a nebulous and fleeting term. UNC is positioned much better to make the tournament if they were to turn things around (fwiw I think neither team does. We'll finish something like 5-11 and theyll go something like 6-10). Roy Williams is undeniably a poor game coach but I think what's lost when people make fun of him is that he has a very solid system. The way his teams push the tempo is typically good for at least one 10-2 run every game that will put it out of reach if the teams are playing evenly. Now that isn't happening this year because Larry Drew sucks ass but it's worked about 20 more years than whatever Sidney Lowe's system is

If 13-8 is better than expected, what the hell were you expecting? I feel like we were on a good trajectory to outperform expectations until ACC play hit, and now were looking at a team that is 2-5 in conference and has lost its last 2 games to bubble teams by a combined 40 points. That's about as bad as I thought we'd be

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 5:23 PM. Reason : we're 14-8 now but the nccu game really shouldnt count]

2/1/2010 5:22:37 PM

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"If 13-8 is better than expected, what the hell were you expecting?"

The better question is... what were you expecting? I mean, we were picked last in the ACC and I think most believed we would be at or around there. I figured we would drop a game to one of the cupcakes early, we didn't. We barely got beat by florida and lost to arizona without tracy. We beat a good marquette team on the road and we whipped duke's ass. Beyond that, we have been in every single game save the UNC game till the end. We have played tough D for the most part and at times our offense has looked downright stellar.

If you expected all that, then you are one optimistic guy.

2/1/2010 5:32:23 PM

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"Cool last place exceeds your expectations, no wonder you love Lowe"

I've never professes any love for lowe. Putting words in mouth, yet again. you ain't worth arguing with. But just to clarify, when I say "playing better", I'm not referring to wins and losses. I've enjoyed watching this team, they're fun to watch (sometimes). I've had more fun watching this team then i have any State team in the last few years. Sure, we've still had some very frustrating droughts, but when play well, we play very well (see Duke game, or FSU game....).

2/1/2010 5:33:15 PM

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"our talent is still worse than UNC's by a good measure but I don't think the gap is going to be any closer than it is this year."

thats nonsense.

they lose possibly their best 3 players

davis
thompson
ginyard

we lose two of our worst players

degand
horner


they gain a bit more than we do (ratings wise) but they don't replace the frontline that they lose. the ware brothers will be their frontcourt. we lose our worst two starters and replace them with players that will be instantly better.

drew/strickland/marshall
bullock/mcdonald
barnes/graves
henson
ware/ware

vs

harrow/javi
brown/mays
wood/davis
howell/cothron
smith/vandenberg

we will be a more experienced team next year. they get even younger. I don't see how you could think they'll be better. even if harrow or brown is a bust, we look much better at 2 or 3 positions.

2/1/2010 5:45:01 PM

So are we going to rush the court next year when we beat them?

2/1/2010 5:50:55 PM

That's the real question^

2/1/2010 6:06:02 PM

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"ABSOLUTELY. Anyone that says they had rather have Lowe coaching than Roy Williams is a fucking idiot."

+1

I don't know how good a coach Sidney Lowe will eventually be.

I do know that Roy Williams has the highest winning % of any active coach in the sport and has won two national titles with completely different teams in the last five seasons.

People really need to just stop being retarded fools and calling him a shitty coach in order to... you know what? I don't even know what the point of being that stupid is, to be honest.

Great programs sometimes have bad years. Especially because those great programs typically lose players early at a far greater rate than shitty programs.

This years Tar Heels team just isn't as talented as past years. Getting talent is 2/3's of coaching at the college level IMO. You can't say "good recruiter, bad coach." They are synonymous with each other at this level of basketball.

2/1/2010 6:26:30 PM

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"they lose possibly their best 3 players"

davis - sure
thompson - maybe, he seems to suffer from Horner-itis to me where he'll pound scrubs and shrink vs most major conf. teams
ginyard - LOL no

degand has been an underrated help to the team this year. it sucks that we have to play 2 guys at once to get what most people get from 1 pg but still.

I didnt expect us to be any good this year but I hoped that the team would get better as the year went on. As I said, things were going fine until recently. I thought we could finish somewhere from 8th-10th in the ACC instead of 10-12th. Right now we're tied for last

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 6:30 PM. Reason : next yr is good on paper for us vs unc as well. im more concern about our record than theirs, tho]

2/1/2010 6:27:16 PM

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"People really need to just stop being retarded fools and calling him a shitty coach in order to... you know what?"

nobody called roy a shitty coach. i just questioned his credibility. and i was referring to his performance this season. it had to be done to be fair to Sidney.

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"How exactly are we doing better than them?"

We haven't lost to the likes of COfC, our overall record is better, and we've kept more of our losses closer. We've played clem, uva, and wake closer. And we stomped duke. We lost to Arizona by 2, w/o Tracy. And we lost to Florida on a mircale shot. If we'd won those two games, I wonder if people would still be bitching?


Whatever guys, you can't bring me down, i'm still excited about NEXT YEAR!!!!!!11

(V again, i'm referring to this season. and i think you're taking my "credibility-call" a little too seriously. i know roy is a good coach. but they're having a real shitty season so far.)

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 7:18 PM. Reason : ]

2/1/2010 6:53:27 PM

I'm pretty sure only the certifiably insane would be calling in to question the credibility of the current defending National Championship coach...

And really comparing anything Lowe has ever done in his life as a head coach to Roy Williams is being unfair to him AND Lowe.

2/1/2010 6:54:57 PM