^^If their season is real shitty, then what does ours qualify as?

collegerpi has them at #70 and us at #107, they have played a MUCH harder schedule and have the same record sans a win over NCCU which hasn't beat a D-1 team.

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"Beyond that, we have been in every single game save the UNC game till the end."

Did you miss the Maryland game where we got pounded from the start?

2/1/2010 7:15:18 PM

Roy is doing a shitty coaching job THIS YEAR

period

2/1/2010 7:34:29 PM

Given the talent level of UNC vs. NCSU I think it would be fair to say that Lowe is doing a much better job than Roy this year. I am sick of the UNC fans crying about their lack of guard talent. Wait until your highest ranked guard is a three star recruit then come talk.

2/1/2010 7:35:11 PM

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"^^If their season is real shitty, then what does ours qualify as?"

It's as if you didn't even read my post. I think we're having a better season, especially considering what we're working with. And that's not a knock on any of the guys on the team. We have talent, but alot of the talent is still inexperienced. And except for Tracy, we don't have anyone else who could be all-ACC... this season.

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"and have the same record sans a win over NCCU which hasn't beat a D-1 team.""

as mentioned below, their record includes a win against NCCU. and if you're going to play that game, we should have 2 more wins and 2 less losses (Florida and Arizona). And while we're throwing out games against shitty teams, should we throw out their loss to Charleston?


Damn, are you really going to argue that UNC isn't having a shitty season? Even considering they're defending national champions?

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 7:57 PM. Reason : u can go back to my prev post to see other reasons i think we're having a better season]

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 7:58 PM. Reason : yeah, i know this comparison is pointless, but jeez]

2/1/2010 7:47:59 PM

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"collegerpi has them at #70 and us at #107, they have played a MUCH harder schedule and have the same record sans a win over NCCU which hasn't beat a D-1 team."

I'm nitpicking but UNC played NCCU in the beginning of the year

2/1/2010 7:51:39 PM

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"And while we're throwing out games against shitty teams, should we throw out their loss to Charleston?"

CofC is the best team in the SoCon....NCCU hasn't beat a team in D-1.

And don't give me this we SHOULD have beat Florida and Arizona shit because we didn't and nothing can change that.

Where did I say UNC wasn't having a shitty season? You said that and then I asked if theirs is shitty then how is ours not but then you guys just come back with stars, rankings, expectations, blah blah blah. You know what TOB is beating Butch Davis with "less talent and stars". I really don't give a shit about the rankings. John Henson was #3 or something and he is awful. Little off track but my point is like NyM410 said, recruiting is 2/3 of the job so nobody is to blame for the lack of talent but Sidney. You guys argue that he is a great recruiter and that he has no talent on the very same pages.

2/1/2010 8:41:41 PM

also rpi is a joke. if we traded northwestern arizona and florida with villanova kansas and kentucky, our rpi would look just like thiers.

2/1/2010 8:44:06 PM

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"NCCU hasn't beat a team in D-1."

What's your point?

2/1/2010 8:44:23 PM

1) They aren't nearly as low on the pole as CofC like Bullet made them out to be

2) That is NOT a team you should be playing in the middle of your conference schedule.

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"We have talent, but alot of the talent is still inexperienced"

And Roy's isn't? Give me a fucking break. You bash the hell out of Roy and then make up excuses for Lowe when the two cannot even be compared. Lowe starts 2 seniors and two juniors, so I don't see how you could argue inexperience on Lowe's side. Stop being so biased.

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 8:50 PM. Reason : homerism]

2/1/2010 8:45:37 PM

I know I said it wasn't worth arguing with you, but i can't resist tonight. Did you not read that one of their wins is against NCCU too?

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"You guys argue that he is a great recruiter and that he has no talent on the very same pages."

I said there is talent on the team, but a lot of it is inexperienced. Sid had one below-avg class (no knock, just the truth), but the other 2 (and 4th) have been pretty solid. I think Sid has recruited well, especially considering the circumstances.

Again, no knock on the team, but except for Tracy, none of our upper-classmen are consistent go-to guys. I think/hope that's going to change.

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 9:12 PM. Reason : ]

2/1/2010 8:52:27 PM

So next year with a loaded recruiting class, since I have unrealistic expectations that my team shouldn't be bottom three in a coach's 4th year, should I expect? If we go 20-10 and (8-8) and make the tourney because they expand it to 96 teams when we should still be in the NIT are some of you going to be wetting your pants over that?

2/1/2010 9:01:24 PM

what are you babbling about? sorry, since this is a chit-chat thread, does your name suggest you're always sloshed? i've got a pretty good buzz going right now, but you're not making any sense.

2/1/2010 9:14:33 PM

Simply put I want to know what my expectations should be since mine are clearly to high.

I expected to be out of the cellar by year 4 but I'm not realistic.

2/1/2010 9:21:09 PM

the whole acc is in the cellar

2/1/2010 9:22:35 PM

but guys

i have season tickets

how many 23 year olds can say that?

2/1/2010 9:41:32 PM

Fuck off and stop post stalking me.

You wanna argue too that Lowe is a better coach than Roy?

I think Lee Fowler has many of you brainwashed that this isn't a desirable job.....

2/1/2010 9:51:08 PM

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"1) They aren't nearly as low on the pole as CofC like Bullet made them out to be"

Considering UNC played them too, I still don't see your point.

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"2) That is NOT a team you should be playing in the middle of your conference schedule."

I disagree. Nothing like a tune up game to help keep their confidence up and let them get better. It's like a practice against another D-1 team, only you get a win for it. Sure it hurts our RPI, but it hurts it no more than playing them at the beginning of the season, and wouldn't be the difference between making the tourney and not making it. You can play them whenever you want, maybe it's a good thing they aren't going a week without a game?

2/1/2010 10:41:31 PM

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"and if you're going to play that game, we should have 2 more wins and 2 less losses (Florida and Arizona)."

no we shouldnt. the florida game was a piece of shit that neither team deserved a W for. they were like 1-19 or something ridiculous from 3 before that bomb. don't want to get owned by luck at the end of a game against a bad team? don't be up only 1 possession. ask marquette if you think our luck is bad

and lol @ arizona. we were down like 10 with a minute left before javi went bananas. even if you want to play the last second drive+layup game, it'd still only go to OT. Unless you want to play the Smith card but come on, most teams have players miss a couple games here and there. Shit, Tennessee had to kick their best player off the team. And IIRC that CofC loss was when UNC was down a couple guys. Clemson is w/o Stitt, etc

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"You know what TOB is beating Butch Davis with "less talent and stars"."

arguable. Is Lowe a better coach than Seth Greenberg? Ultimately, neither guy has accomplished shit and Sidney is something like 5-1 against him career. Yea, the rivalry matters a lot more than some yawn worthy vpi vs ncsu match up but it's not like Butch and TOB have had equal records the last 3 years with only the h2h to separate them. And before you get your pants all up in a bunch, I'm not saying Id rather have Davis

2/2/2010 1:53:17 AM

Still inCredible!

2/2/2010 2:43:22 AM

^^ shit, I would rather have Davis. I think he is a far higher ceiling than does TOB. I don't think I'm a bad fan for saying that.

And yes to all who have said it, UNC is having a terrible season by their standards. Doesn't really change the fact that Williams is one of the elite coaches in the history of college basketball.

We should not even ever bring him or K up when discussing the job that Lowe is doing here. As I said, it is unfair to BOTH parties.

2/2/2010 9:50:02 AM

neither davis nor o'brien are smart enough to know their teams would improve instantly were they to cut loose the cancers that are shoop and archer

2/2/2010 10:12:55 AM

to be fair, is it really that hard to win at kansas and unc? you said recruiting was 2/3 of the game well those schools recruit for themselves and williams inherited championship talent at unc...

2/2/2010 11:39:32 AM

Williams is an average in game bench coach (he tends to let his players play through shit more than most coaches, and he makes fewer in game adjustments), but he's stellar at all the other aspects of coaching. Would he be able to win more games than Lowe with this team? Probably not. Is he one of the greatest coaches in the game right now? Yes.

2/2/2010 11:46:55 AM

NCSU vs. UNC this year:

Head to Head Matchup
Advantage: UNC

Overall Record
Advantage: NCSU, barely, for right now

Quality Wins:
NCSU: Duke
UNC: Michigan State
Advantage: tie

Bad Losses:
NCSU: None
UNC: College of Charleston
Advantage: NCSU

I'd add in strength of schedule, but hey, State could've swapped Florida, Arizona and Northwestern with Kentucky, Texas and Syracuse, we'd have a higher SOS, and the same record...SOS doesn't mean shit if you don't beat anybody

2/2/2010 11:52:28 AM

if we make a run im glad we lost by an epic shot because everyone on the commitee will be like "o thats the team that lost on the 75 foot shot". They otherwise wouldnt have any idea how we lost our games.

If unc gets anywhere close to buble theyre in because theyre unc and because theyre good at losing to great teams.

2/2/2010 11:56:33 AM

^^ they beat mich state and ohio state w/ turner

you can write up comparisons all you want, fact is theyre currently "on the bubble" and we arent even in the picture. as I said, I think neither team makes it but theyre in a better position to do so if they turn things around

dont give me the UNC garbage either. Didn't Herb make the tourney with one of the lowest RPIs in history?

2/2/2010 12:04:14 PM

Tree, I'd give us another quality win as the FSU win.

2/2/2010 12:08:36 PM

^^Currently UNC is on the bubble...the NIT bubble

10th place in the ACC is not on the bubble for the NCAA tourney...obviously if they move up in the standings its a different conversation, but right now, UNC is NOT an NCAA team, and if they finish in 10th place, they will not even be in the discussion

^Yeah FSU is a good team, but Michigan State and Duke are very good teams

2/2/2010 12:09:53 PM

being blown out by UNC is a bad loss

2/2/2010 12:11:04 PM

Are you guys seriously arguing that we are having a better season when they easily waxed our ass at home? We have nearly identical records so what else are you going by here?

They beat the shit out of us. /argument.

2/2/2010 1:34:05 PM

I'm arguing we're having the same caliber season

Feel free to try and prove me wrong

2/2/2010 1:57:52 PM

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"Are you guys seriously arguing that we are having a better season when they easily waxed our ass at home? We have nearly identical records so what else are you going by here? "

Go back and read the posts... very slowly. My argument was that compared to what we're working with and what was expected, we're having a better season. I've forgotten, where was carolina predicted to finish in the ACC? What was their national ranking coming into the season? I know they beat us handily, but we waxed Duke. Does that mean we're having a better season than Duke? We also played Clemson, Wake, and Virginia much closer than Carolina did.

And nobody said that Lowe was a better coach than Roy. If you think that argument has been presented, go back and read the thread.... slowly.

[Edited on February 2, 2010 at 2:50 PM. Reason : ]

2/2/2010 2:47:16 PM

[Edited on February 2, 2010 at 2:48 PM. Reason : DP]

2/2/2010 2:47:43 PM

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"And nobody said that Lowe was a better coach than Roy."

You implied that if Roy was coaching our team we would be doing worse.

You asked me if I thought we would be doing better with Roy and I said absolutely.

2/2/2010 10:57:37 PM

i'd like to imply that you are a whiny faggot

can i do that?

[Edited on February 2, 2010 at 11:35 PM. Reason : ibtquitpoststalkingme..whinewhinewhine.youmustlovesidney..areyouarguingthatheisthegreatestofalltime?

[Edited on February 2, 2010 at 11:36 PM. Reason : ibtyoumustthinksidneyisdoingagreatjob.]

2/2/2010 11:34:52 PM

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"I'm arguing we're having the same caliber season Feel free to try and prove me wrong"

Maybe. Though all things taken together they are in far better shape to be a tourney team than us, and it has nothing to do with tin-hat conspiracies or their name.

They have a far better RPI and a far better Pomeroy ranking... The latter meaning that they have been more efficient as a team.

So while we have the same record, UNC has been the "better" team on paper.

2/3/2010 10:20:43 AM

Given the current trend neither team is going to the tourney. The strength of UNC's roster had most sports analysts picking them 1st or 2nd in the conference. State was picked... LAST. Who is doing a better job?
Roy is an excellent recruiter but a rather average in game coach. He doesn't know how to run a half court offense. I really wouldn't be surprised if we were much worse with Roy at the helm given his inability to get quality play out of his guards (or his roster as whole).

2/3/2010 11:54:38 AM

A lot of that prognostication was based on the thought that Henson was going to be an absolute stud. I saw mocks left and right that had him as a Top 3 pick in this years draft and even saw a few comparisons to Kevin Durant. He was obviously overrated and not nearly ready physically.

That's why you can't really rely on freshman to predict before a season... coincidentally that is also why I'm not as super optimistic about next season for us given that we simply don't know how Harrow/Brown will be (though I think 'Zo will be very good because he is a year more physically mature thanks to not qualifying this year).

2/3/2010 2:07:32 PM

^^I love it because we were predicted to suck we are supposed to be ok with it.

Sorry for being a "whiny faggot" for expecting better than last place in a coach's 4th year.

2/3/2010 3:10:49 PM

It's ok boozie. I know you can't help it.

I realize that you're one of the biggest fans of Wolfpack basketball out there, and I appriciate it. I'm sure the team does too. Keep up all the good work!!!

2/3/2010 3:18:05 PM

I'm 50/50 right now. Leaning towards credible.

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 8:52 PM. Reason : fa]

2/3/2010 8:51:57 PM

ya first half credible

2nd half not credible

2/3/2010 8:52:23 PM

that second half performance was INcredible

2/3/2010 8:54:37 PM

that 2nd half was Herbilicious

2/3/2010 8:55:57 PM

What a fucking joke. 47 points with a pissed in 3 at the end.

When are we going to see the high scoring offense he promised 4 years ago?

Julius Mays has to be the worst guard in the ACC.

2/3/2010 8:59:09 PM

^next year

2/3/2010 9:02:09 PM

Fuck next year. Fuck guards. Fuck talent. Fuck his recruits. He better turn things around or their may not be a next year.

I'm so fucking tired of these excuses. His team can't even score 50. We have been absolutely demolished 3 games in a row. I really don't give a shit anymore. I have never stopped watching a NCSU game but damn if I didn't come close today.

2/3/2010 9:04:10 PM

Lowe could lose every game for the rest of the season and there will still be a next year.

And there have been less watchable games. Re: Seton Hall...

2/3/2010 9:09:47 PM

His recruiting class next year is the ONLY reason to even consider retaining him another year, and Im not even sure thats a good enough reason. I really wanted to see Sid succeed, but its become painfully obvious thats not going to happen.

2/3/2010 9:12:33 PM

Are there any UVA fans on this board? I'd like to talk to someone with a coach at the helm that can actually coach. I want to find out what that's like.

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 9:21 PM. Reason : drunk]

2/3/2010 9:20:50 PM