he's just lucky that they don't have papers from other classes to examine...

7/8/2011 3:59:36 PM

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"Just out of curiousity, what are the differences that account for several FSU players cheating on their language test (I think it was) and getting sidelined for 4 games and McAdoo cheating on up to three papers and getting banned from the NCAA as a result? Does he have a decent case for reinstatement?"

I saw an argument on IC between an FSU fan and the UNCCHEAT horde and it looks as if FSU was honest and McAdoo wasn't.

SportsbyBrooks really laid the wood though to this talking about how not only McAdoo lied, but the Professor, Baddour, the Lawyer, and the Honor Court are all on the hook for this "dis"honorable act.

7/8/2011 4:02:30 PM

Does anyone know any Carolina alums that are pissed yet? This circus would seriously irritate me if it was going on at my school.

7/8/2011 5:07:09 PM

http://charlotte.cbslocal.com/2011/07/08/reading-now-optional-in-unc-investigation/


lol >.<

7/8/2011 5:19:28 PM

nice, gotta give Colin props for that, he's a huge UNC homer

7/8/2011 5:27:40 PM

^^^^ Have no idea what exactly happened down at FSU, I think they were getting automated multiple choice tests hand delivered before the test, and it was open and shut, and FSU reported it immediately, there wasn't really a lot of gray area. But this McAdoo paper was investigated way back in August and made it past the teacher, the honor court, Dick Baddour, Chancellor Thorp, the entire academic support team, the entire compliance department, and a whole host of others and the blatant plagiarism made it through undetected. UNC has already publicly claimed he made incorrect citations and that's it, that the work was his. It reeks of a coverup to have the entire institution miss this when 3 guys on packpride spent a collective 15 minutes researching the paper and found that virtually the entire paper was lifted. And oh yea, the professor gave him a passing grade on the paper originally.

[Edited on July 8, 2011 at 5:30 PM. Reason : .]

7/8/2011 5:28:54 PM

^^^ what's so awesome about this article is that only 2 days ago, the IC tard horde was saying "finally someone gets it" in adoration of Colin. This is really going to be sick burn and butt hurt over on IC once they see this.

7/8/2011 5:32:23 PM

Poor bob in the comments just doesn't get it

7/8/2011 5:43:29 PM

^ yea he must be one of the deluded IC horde, because he is saying verbatim what they are in that thread

7/8/2011 6:15:38 PM

Holy shit those three articles have made my day.

7/8/2011 6:39:50 PM

so is carolina going to get a "lack of alumni lawyer control" as well?

7/8/2011 7:07:17 PM

GUYS GUYS GUYS....McAdoo didnt copy sources from the internet, his paper was so well-written, bits and pieces of it have been copied by various authors and used in their text.

7/8/2011 7:52:30 PM

And he discovered a time machine so he could have it written 100 years ago in the case of the one section! Damn that MacAdoo is one smart one to do all of that.

7/8/2011 8:07:12 PM

They should get slapped with LOAC Lack of academic control

7/8/2011 8:09:37 PM

shut down the whole damn university


and rescind all diplomas given out

7/8/2011 8:11:13 PM

It makes me wonder how the prof didn't see the word "mohammedanism" and wonder what was up with that...since it's a word that is no longer used and hasn't been used in 100 years. I would think that'd be a red flag for the prof.

7/8/2011 8:20:17 PM

^ he didnt read it, just figured it was the tutor who wrote it like she did for all the other football players

7/8/2011 8:21:32 PM

He didnt read it. He didnt want to be "that guy" to fail an athlete and make him ineligible

7/8/2011 8:24:30 PM

^ yea, just imagine all the brow-beating the tassle-loafer club would have given him (shudders).

the new mental/moral low in the IC thread is that "if he directly copied 3-4 pages i say: 'so what?'"

that's what i say

7/9/2011 12:57:43 AM

"yea. So what if the academic integrity of our "public ivy" school has gone down the shitter"

7/9/2011 8:02:03 AM

GOLO strikes gold again!

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"I read somewhere that the reason that the Pack Pride owner is so interested is because the players are black and he is a member of the Klan. I don't know if it is true or not, but the whole nasty overtone from that side makes me wonder. "

7/9/2011 9:24:50 AM

^That can't be a serious comment...good Lord.

7/9/2011 9:38:08 AM

^^ best message board comment ever?

7/9/2011 10:01:44 AM

sounds like UNC is developing a "lunatic fringe" of their own

7/9/2011 10:02:25 AM

^ where's the audio of the racist UNC fans after that one loss they had

7/9/2011 10:09:20 AM

"go back to the ghetto" lol

7/9/2011 10:11:41 AM

haha, yea that's the one.

PP getting love in the N&O

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"As former North Carolina football player Michael McAdoo was fighting to stay on the team at an NCAA infractions hearing late last year, school officials repeatedly said he had not committed academic fraud in letting a former tutor help him produce a term paper for an African studies class. "We are arguing that this was Michael McAdoo's work, even the citations were his work," UNC athletic director Dick Baddour told the NCAA, according to a Dec. 14 NCAA hearing transcript released in a court filing last week. "... To not reinstate Michael McAdoo is unduly harsh and is not warranted in this situation." But when McAdoo's paper in question was made public in the court filings related to McAdoo's lawsuit against the NCAA and the university, commenters on the Pack Pride website - a site popular among fans of rival N.C. State - fired up their Internet search engines. They found numerous passages that appeared to largely lift word for word from other sources, including a 100-year old text. Thursday night, the sports blog SportsbyBrooks.com reported on the alleged examples of plagiarism in McAdoo's paper. Read more: http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/07/09/1331635/mcadoo-paper-made-public.html#ixzz1RcM3UZeF"

[Edited on July 9, 2011 at 10:17 AM. Reason : ]

7/9/2011 10:12:38 AM

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"PACKPRIDE KLAN GUY"

7/9/2011 10:31:54 AM

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"FIRE UP SEARCH ENGINES"

7/9/2011 11:31:53 AM

/me presses the primer three times and pulls the ripcord on my computer, which is powered by a lawnmower engine

7/9/2011 11:45:47 AM

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"^ where's the audio of the racist UNC fans after that one loss they had"

Haha, I forgot about that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QMcxcpOn6s&feature=player_embedded

7/9/2011 12:13:47 PM

I love how IC people are now trying to change the meaning of plagiarism. According to them, he didn't plagiarize, he just "forgot to cite his sources."

7/9/2011 12:20:46 PM

Sounds like a black chick saying that lol

7/9/2011 12:22:02 PM

i like how it's 'okay' for MM to rely on a tutor to cite his sources for him. the douche is too lazy to google "how to cite sources" but heaven help you if you take away his football. the freakin sense of self-entitlement some people have just pisses me off.

7/9/2011 1:03:47 PM

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"http://charlotte.cbslocal.com/2011/07/01/facts-optional-in-unc-investigation/"

really? His whole freakin complaint is they used a plural word sometimes? really? Oh, and "UNC notified the NCAA of 4 of the violations?" Well, no fucking shit! It'd look a hell of a lot worse with the NCAA ALREADY ON FUCKING CAMPUS.

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"The lawyer has a point."

No, he doesn't. It's not a god damned court of law! The players signed fucking contracts that say as much!

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"The NCAA, as an entity, gets to decide punishments and change futures for students based on what can amount to no more than hearsay. "

The NCAA GAVE THOSE STUDENTS THAT FUTURE IN THE FIRST FUCKING PLACE!!! I don't think it's too much for the NCAA to say "hey, we're gonna give you a huge boost in life, follow some simple rules, k?"

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"Just because you aren't in a government building doesn't mean you don't deserve human rights."

I don't see them throwing anyone in a dungeon here. "Hey, we're gonna take away the gravy train because you cheated" doesn't sound like "depriving someone of human rights." There is no fucking right to play NCAA football.

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"http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/07/08/unc-ncaa-michael-mcadoo/index.html?eref=twitter_feed"

How in the FUCK did the UNC Honor Court find "insufficient evidence of academic fraud"? REALLY?

7/9/2011 4:09:05 PM

Aaron, read my post. I know it's not a court of law, but these students have no opportunity to defend themselves against unduly harsh punishments and responsibility for infractions. I think the due process of letting McAdoo defend himself is an important one, even in a member institution like the NCAA. If UNC or the NCAA has thrown him under the bus, then he should be able to point out when and in what ways that was done. UNC gave him the opportunities he has in life, and UNC uses the NCAA to make money off it. The NCAA then gets to come in and completely take it away based on their own observations and the word of the university? The players have no choice but to talk to the NCAA without proper counsel? These things are not kosher, in my opinion. These kids aren't qualified to do much else but play football. It's pretty serious to take away a lot of potential money by not letting him play (and therefore affecting his chances to get into the NFL).

I'm speaking specifically about procedure here, and in no way claim that McAdoo has even a remote chance of getting his eligibility returned, considering the damning evidence. I just agree that he should have the right to come out and say, "UNC put all this stuff on my back, and the NCAA declared me ineligible, but they shouldn't have because I didn't cheat and here's proof."


but he did cheat, and there IS proof of that. So I'm going to eat popcorn and watch him get nailed to the wall.

[Edited on July 9, 2011 at 4:34 PM. Reason : ]

7/9/2011 4:34:18 PM

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"i like how it's 'okay' for MM to rely on a tutor to cite his sources for him. the douche is too lazy to google "how to cite sources" but heaven help you if you take away his football. the freakin sense of self-entitlement some people have just pisses me off."

Exactly...http://citationmachine.net does it for you, all you have to do is enter the information into fields provided and press "enter" and then copy and paste in your paper. That's quicker than emailing your tutor to do it. UNC fans act like citing is some difficult task...it takes less than a minute to do it online.

7/9/2011 4:59:25 PM

where do you put a footnote when the whole paper is someone else's work?

7/9/2011 7:56:27 PM

is it possible that the footnotes take more room than the actual body of the paper?

7/9/2011 10:00:18 PM

tww missed a golden opportunity to get in on this scoop

7/10/2011 2:37:15 PM

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"Aaron, read my post. I know it's not a court of law, but these students have no opportunity to defend themselves against unduly harsh punishments and responsibility for infractions."

and they agreed to that when they signed the contract. "Follow our rules and don't even let it look like you aren't, or else." That's exactly to what they agreed. Don't like it? Don't fucking agree to it.

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"UNC gave him the opportunities he has in life, and UNC uses the NCAA to make money off it."

No, BOTH gave him the opportunity, AND THEY TOLD HIM THE RULES HE HAD TO FOLLOW. What is so fucking hard to comprehend about that?

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"The players have no choice but to talk to the NCAA without proper counsel? "

According the agreement THEY MADE, then yes.

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"It's pretty serious to take away a lot of potential money by not letting him play "

Ergo, THEY SHOULD FOLLOW THE FUCKING RULES THEY AGREED TO FOLLOW. again, HOW FUCKING HARD is that to comprehend?

7/11/2011 7:07:22 PM

Damn, Aaronburro is getting all upset over this shit.

7/11/2011 7:13:46 PM

no, I just think it's absurd when someone thinks it's sad that someone has to follow the rules

7/11/2011 8:43:59 PM

aaron, "following rules" != "having due process"

Yes, there are rules he has to follow (and he broke the shit out of those)

but if he was treated unfairly, there should be routes for him to save his good name, hopefully at the expense of UNC as an institution.

I am talking about being treated fairly during the process of uncovering UNC's shit and punishing them for it. I agree he should have to follow the rules. But he should be able to sue the shit out of the NCAA and UNC if they threw him under the bus as a scapegoat.... Much like Blake is doing.

7/11/2011 9:33:16 PM

1. Blake isn't suing anyone
2. Clearly McAdoo wasn't treated unfairly, the NCAA caught his bullshit. Otherwise, if all he really had done was got help on his citations page (which I don't even see as cheating) I would agree.
3. He was part of two prongs of the investigation, taking benefits and committing academic fraud so I'm sure the combo had something to do with it.

7/11/2011 9:54:58 PM

Yeah its easy to see mcadoo as being railroaded if you think only about $100 in benefits, but combine it with the academic issues and what clearly appears to be a situation where he didn't come clean when asked and you have a recipe for a pounding. That said, if they had initially said 4-6 games for him I wouldn't have seen it as being out of line, but they can't go changing it now that he trying to get the lawyers involved or every other player in the world will make life miserable for them.

7/11/2011 10:02:22 PM

^and lying

7/11/2011 10:02:26 PM

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"aaron, "following rules" != "having due process""

and there IS NO DUE PROCESS in the NCAAs. The players agree to this before they ever set foot on the field.

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"there should be routes for him to save his good name"

Why? Why should an institution that is NOT the law be held to the same standards as the law? They said he did shit, and they basically said "if we think you did shit, we'll boot you" before he ever stepped onto the field. He agreed to it, he got it.

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"But he should be able to sue the shit out of the NCAA and UNC if they threw him under the bus as a scapegoat"

Not if he signed a contract that says he can't.

7/11/2011 11:16:19 PM

Saying he had a choice in signing this "contract" with the NCAA is like someone offering you the choice of either having a shot at a multi-million dollar career in 3 years, or living the rest of your life working as a wing manager at McDonalds. Do you call that a choice?

Why don't you step back a minute and think of him as a human being. Would you want to tell some poor ass college kid that all his dreams are crushed because he copy and pasted some shit off the internet and accepted $100 bucks worth of stuff?

[Edited on July 11, 2011 at 11:37 PM. Reason : .]

7/11/2011 11:34:53 PM

^ i fault the system that taught his ass that he could cut corners. the big problem, as DalesDeadBug mentioned was they caught his ass lying.

look, we all make mistakes, but some of them are costlier than others. Why wouldn't TA McClendon just follow the rules, stay in school etc.? Maurice Clarett? Most NFL teams also don't want guys who don't have some modicum of character, its a bad investment.

7/11/2011 11:58:24 PM