im not talking about history

kansas state is in the top 10 and they have not done shit ever

the only major conference schools where making the tournament once in a blue moon should be acceptable are places where literally no one cares. I don't feel like I need to take this argument any further since the last guy we had was run out of town for never doing anything in the tournament, or otherwise. The guy we have now isn't even putting us in a position to do nothing

[Edited on February 6, 2010 at 2:56 PM. Reason : \/ i agree with this thought. our problem is our old fans are delusional and the new ones apathetic]

2/6/2010 2:34:48 PM

Frankly, we have no "rightful" place in the ACC. no one is entitled to a ranking based on name or history and the thought that that is true is ridiculous.

2/6/2010 2:38:49 PM

Look you clownshows next year we are a tourney team with two top notch recruits riding the fucking pine.

We are a borderline tournament team the following year.

If things fall into place in two years we have the potential of a lineup of
Harrow jr
Lo Brown jr
Wood sr
Cothron jr
Howell sr

With Painter, Vandenburg, Davis all seniors off the bench plus any sophs and freshmen we add in the next two classes. How can you be so fucking shortsighted? Let's see what sid can do when he gets his players, alright?

[Edited on February 6, 2010 at 3:21 PM. Reason : face]

2/6/2010 3:09:17 PM

people like genghiskhan just don't anything about baketball or its history. Basketball is not football. One or two players make a tourney team. 3 make a final four team. Julius hodge saved sendek for 5 years.

Just gotta have an AD with smarts and connections who can identify good coaches like tony bennett. And if he has his recruiting ducks in a row, it only takes 3 or 4 years to a program from nothing to one that makes noise.

Regarding virginia, they may or may not have more talent, but they have better specialists. They have a senior shooting guard who hits shots and a really good penetrating point guard. Except for tracy inside, we have a bunch of incomplete players.

Basketball is a sport where it is definitely better to be a specialist, since you can exploit that specialty to cause the defense to collapse, opening it up for other players.

A forward who cant rebound, post up, or play post defense, shooting guard who can't shoot, and point guard who can't penetrate are next to useless. This is why positionless offenses are low achieving. An opposing defense can put a fast, small guard on the forward, a slow player on the shooting guard, and over play the point guard to stop the offense. We are really easy to defend.

[Edited on February 6, 2010 at 3:30 PM. Reason : .]

2/6/2010 3:21:24 PM

If our roster this year was:

PG: Chris Wright, Sr
SG: Dan Werner, Sr
SF: Brandon Costner, Sr
PF: JJ Hickson, Jr
C: Tracy Smith, Jr

With a bench of:
Javi Gonazalez, Jr
Richard Howell, Fr
Scott Wood, Fr
Dennis Horner, Sr

And A recruiting class of:
CJ Leslie
Ryan Harrow
Lorenzo Brown
Tigershark Cothron



We would be one of the elite teams in the country. It's really not that far-fetched if things had shaken out a little differently.

So how about we give Lowe a chance to win and then maybe we won't get crushed by players leaving the program early because it's dysfunctional (Costner, Hickson), players leaving because Fowler took too long to name a coach (Werner, Wright), players decommitting because we suck (Leslie), players not choosing us because we suck (Favors, Wall, Cousins), etc

We've taken pretty big strides this year and we have a lot of returning and incoming talent.

[Edited on February 6, 2010 at 3:31 PM. Reason : a]

2/6/2010 3:31:13 PM

Quote :

"If things fall into place in two years we have the potential of a lineup of Harrow jr Lo Brown jr Wood sr Cothron jr Howell sr"

I don't see Cothron starting over painter. The ceiling for Painter is just tooooo high.

I see Cothron being an excellent bench player, nothing more.

2/6/2010 3:35:37 PM

^^You're the one who started this thread

2/6/2010 3:36:31 PM

^^^You're not really making any new points. Lots of people have been making the same points for most of this season. You might as well stop trying to argue with the "show me the wins" and "if we still had Sendek..." crowds until next year. We already have 167 pages of that crap.

[Edited on February 6, 2010 at 3:38 PM. Reason : .]

2/6/2010 3:37:43 PM

Quote :

"We've taken pretty big strides this year and we have a lot of returning and incoming talent."

I would really like to see where the hell you are getting these strides from? We haven't improved at all.

These two recruits better be able to take the team to the NCAAs themselves.

We've made the NIT once in 4 years and aren't going anywhere this year so it's all up to them.

[Edited on February 6, 2010 at 4:14 PM. Reason : Least he changed the starting 5 today mixing it up finally with Howell]

2/6/2010 4:09:20 PM

Quote :

"So how about we give Lowe a chance to win and then maybe we won't get crushed by players leaving the program early because it's dysfunctional (Costner, Hickson), players leaving because Fowler took too long to name a coach (Werner, Wright), players decommitting because we suck (Leslie), players not choosing us because we suck (Favors, Wall, Cousins), etc"

Well, sadly you have to play with the team you have, not the team you could have had.

The team we have is poorly coached.

2/6/2010 4:21:46 PM

they're not poorly coached, they just can't fucking shoot

2/6/2010 4:34:13 PM

bump, because we're down by 7 and this game is pretty much over.

2/6/2010 4:35:35 PM

fire cody

2/6/2010 4:35:49 PM

Quote :

"they're not poorly coached"

o rly

2/6/2010 4:37:04 PM

Quote :

"they're not poorly coached, they just can't fucking shoot"

4 years later we're still blaming the players. Those damn players!

2/6/2010 4:38:41 PM

calling timeouts at times that don't make sense

seen this a lot the last few years

2/6/2010 6:17:25 PM

black on black non-handshakes needs to stop

2/6/2010 6:25:58 PM

i say we fire because everyone doesn't agree with him 100% of the time.

2/6/2010 6:26:00 PM

still credible

2/6/2010 6:27:40 PM

Lowe needs to work on those droughts, a lot. He deserves at least one more year, especially with the class coming in.

[Edited on February 6, 2010 at 6:29 PM. Reason : .]

2/6/2010 6:29:06 PM

Quote :

"He deserves at least another year with what he has been doing though."

What has he been doing?

We lose one game close after being blown out the last three and all of a sudden we are improved?

[Edited on February 6, 2010 at 6:30 PM. Reason : ^That is the only reason he will still be here, Boom or Bust next year]

2/6/2010 6:30:12 PM

Lowe is half the reason our school even has some type of championship hopes and expectations in the first place

lets run him off!

2/6/2010 6:31:22 PM

It has been 4 years with Lowe, 4. Do you really think anyone else we would have gotten during the coaching search would have done a better job?

2/6/2010 6:34:42 PM

Define "better job"

I'm pretty sure there's someone out there we could've hired that wouldn't have taken us directly to the bottom of the ACC.

2/6/2010 6:36:33 PM

Who, Paul Hewitt?

2/6/2010 6:37:05 PM

Quote :

"It has been 4 years with Lowe, 4. Do you really think anyone else we would have gotten during the coaching search would have done a better job?"

you're new, and I don't know your style, so I can't tell if this is serious or sarcastic

2/6/2010 6:37:29 PM

Quote :

"I'm pretty sure there's someone out there we could've hired that wouldn't have taken us directly to the bottom of the ACC."

Nobody worth a damn wanted the job, and I'm pretty sure nobody worth a damn will want the job now.



[Edited on February 6, 2010 at 6:38 PM. Reason : ]

2/6/2010 6:37:41 PM

^^^

A few years ago, Paul Hewitt's team was in the championship game.

A few years ago, Sidney Lowe was failing at a different level of basketball.

[Edited on February 6, 2010 at 6:38 PM. Reason : .]

2/6/2010 6:38:38 PM

Yeah making the Eastern Conference finals as an assistant coach sure is failing!

2/6/2010 6:39:27 PM

^^^ you're pretty sure because you are a dumbass. you have no idea who was available and who could have been enticed because you don't have any connections in the college basketball world and have apparently never had to hire anyone before.


finding the right person is all about who you know and getting good advice. the list of candidates we actually know about was probably not the end all of what was possible, given a better AD

[Edited on February 6, 2010 at 6:41 PM. Reason : .]

2/6/2010 6:39:51 PM

I could have coached this team to the bottom of the ACC. So someone whos actually coached before probably would have done better.

2/6/2010 6:40:07 PM

Quote :

"Nobody worth a damn wanted the job, and I'm pretty sure nobody worth a damn will want the job now."

These posts piss me off more than anything. Just because Lee Fowler fucked up the coaching search does not mean people are not interested in our job. We have a NBA arena, play in the ACC, have great resources, and a huge fanbase. Trust me, tons of potential candidates would be interested. We do need to remove Fowler before any change.

2/6/2010 6:41:24 PM

Quote :

"you're pretty sure because you are a dumbass."

Care to elaborate? Need I remind you who we have leading the coaching searches?

2/6/2010 6:41:25 PM

FatTony could you have coached us to a win over Duke and @ Florida State?

2/6/2010 6:41:26 PM

Quote :

"calling timeouts at times that don't make sense"

Maybe you just don't understand the game/Lowe, but I always know what he's up to

Quote :

"4 years later we're still blaming the players. Those damn players! "

Horner's a senior that was supposed to be able to shoot can't hit open shots... did Lowe unteach him?

2/6/2010 6:42:12 PM

I didn't say that. But I did say that I could have led this team to the basement of the ACC like Lowe has.

2/6/2010 6:44:17 PM

i know one thing's for sure -- we would have lost our 10th game at least a week ago if I were coach

Sid > me

2/6/2010 6:45:36 PM

Fowler could restore a lot of credibility in my eyes if he fires Lowe at the end of this season. Come on Fowler do it for me!

Let's all be honest and admit that the Lowe experiment was a failure.

2/6/2010 6:46:50 PM

Sid Lowe is 919234578675432 times the coach anyone on this board is. With most of you guys at coach we'd probably be close to 20 losses right now.

^We could be honest and admit Lowe was given more time for a reason, and there's hope for the future. We can also be honest and admit you're an idiot.

2/6/2010 6:47:25 PM

^ no one is arguing they could coach better than Lowe.

2/6/2010 6:48:27 PM

Wow Sid's a better coach than a bunch of TWW nerds.

Give him an extension!

Seriously is that all you got?

2/6/2010 6:48:34 PM

Its funny how Lowe leads us to a 2nd title as a school, and because we have 2 titles, we think we are too good for Lowe and deserve better

god dammit I hate our fanbase

2/6/2010 6:48:35 PM

Quote :

"Fowler could restore a lot of credibility in my eyes if he fires Lowe at the end of this season. Come on Fowler do it for me!"

Fire Sid after this year, and we lose the two most promising recruits we've had since Hodge. If we're awful next year, by all means, let the guy go, but please GOD let Brown and Harrow get on campus first. That, or just refuse to let them out of their LOI's


[Edited on February 6, 2010 at 6:50 PM. Reason : ]

2/6/2010 6:49:06 PM

Then I wouldn't question his substitution patterns, which typically makes sense, or his offense, which usually gets us open shots.

2/6/2010 6:49:19 PM

you guys have seriously lost your minds. He did a great job today, i feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I read this site...

2/6/2010 6:49:33 PM

What does Lowe winning a title have to do with him sucking as a coach?

Amato played his heart out for us. But we fired his ass too. Should we have kept him around?

2/6/2010 6:50:15 PM

^^you should be used to it by now.

[Edited on February 6, 2010 at 6:50 PM. Reason : k]

2/6/2010 6:50:36 PM

Quote :

"Fowler could restore a lot of credibility in my eyes if he fires Lowe at the end of this season. Come on Fowler do it for me! Let's all be honest and admit that the Lowe experiment was a failure."

Are you brain dead? Firing him at the end of this season would be FUCKING DISASTROUS to our program. The media would be all over us talking about how we fired another coach and did it just when he was about to get his program changers in, AND we would lose those program changers. You want to fire him? Wait until Brown and Harrow are on campus. Then we would have a set of players that will act as an extra enticement for a new coach.

Oh, and fire Fowler before we fire anyone else.

2/6/2010 6:51:03 PM

Quote :

"god dammit I hate our fanbase"

Matt Doherty was on the 1982 championship team too. Doesn't mean dick as a coach. So you're basically admitting what I was afraid of. We are going to show him more loyalty because he is one of our own.

2/6/2010 6:51:29 PM

Quote :

"FatTony could you have coached us to a win over Duke and @ Florida State?"

who gives a shit. and actually yea, I bet he couldve told Scott Wood to single handedly beat another team that has no coach. Duke? Who knows, but when youre 2-7 then 2 teams you beat really dont matter

I'm not going to analyze the game we just played because it was so bizarre (and also featured another terrible coach) but I will say that I appreciated that the team came back and made it close. If we could've gotten that type of play throughout the entire ACC season I would not be as pissed off about our future. Unfortunately, we do not play teams that crumble against even the slightest pressure every game

2/6/2010 6:52:21 PM