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"Why don't you step back a minute and think of him as a human being. Would you want to tell some poor ass college kid that all his dreams are crushed because he copy and pasted some shit off the internet and accepted $100 bucks worth of stuff?"

Seriously? People who do dumb shit in spite of themselves deserve to have their dreams taken away from them. He chases after a fucking ball on a field. All he ever had to do was abide by a very simple set of rules. He couldn't do it, so he needs to find a new fucking dream to pursue. I have no fucking compassion for this moron.

7/12/2011 12:10:24 AM

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"Why don't you step back a minute and think of him as a human being."

I'd rather think of the people who can't afford college that would give their full effort and take advantage of an opportunity such as a free education.

7/12/2011 12:50:16 AM

i can't help but think he is also being penalized for the sins of others...as in all this other shit came out, everyone was lying, and then in the second wave this was discovered, and he lied, so it's possible his situation was the straw that broke the camel's back as far as the NCAA was concerned. this may have been their way of sending a message to the program.

it's not a question of fairness, i think it's more about a pervasive problem that needed to be addressed harshly.

7/12/2011 1:27:42 AM

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"Would you want to tell some poor ass college kid that all his dreams are crushed because he copy and pasted some shit off the internet "

plagiarism alone can get a kid kicked out of plenty of schools. i don't see how you can feel sorry for him in the least bit.

7/12/2011 3:48:01 AM

I don't feel sorry for any idiot in blue that pisses away a free education by cheating.

7/12/2011 6:41:53 AM

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"Saying he had a choice in signing this "contract" with the NCAA is like someone offering you the choice of either having a shot at a multi-million dollar career in 3 years, or living the rest of your life working as a wing manager at McDonalds. Do you call that a choice?"

Inherent racism in the bleeding heart liberal ideology ITT.

7/12/2011 6:57:48 AM

I bet the tutor read/signed the contract. What would that mean for all this?

7/12/2011 7:20:13 AM

^^ I was thinking the same thing, a bleeding heart who puts a ceiling on the guys career as manager of Mcdonalds without football. You can't make this stuff up. And more importantly, at which Mcdonalds do they serve wings?

McAdoo plagiarized a paper, no life shattering deal, sit out 2010 and redshirt. But no, he had to lie about it. Then Dick Baddour and Holden Thorp lied about it publicly that the work was his. The NCAA doesn't have a lot of use for folks lying ot them, that's not a secret.

[Edited on July 12, 2011 at 7:29 AM. Reason : .]

7/12/2011 7:28:42 AM

The big thing here is the lying. Having seen what the NCAA has done to others, it's not surprising they ruled him permanently ineligible. Just look at what they did to Dez Bryant for lying about hanging out with Deion Sanders. If he hadn't lied about everything, McAdoo would be eligible this season. He probably would have sat out most or all of last year like some of his teammates, but he'd be playing this year. I have no sympathy for someone who cheats away a great opportunity, and then doesn't fess up to it like a man. Fuck him, Butch Davis, Chancellor Thorpe, Dick Baddour, the Honor Court, and the rest of that school.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4600727

7/12/2011 8:55:12 AM

Butch was mentioned on FoxSports Radio this morning on the Zack and Jack show. They were talking about the guy that caught the Jeter ball. I guess the IRS estimate on the package the Yankees are giving him is $14,000 and they were saying that Jeter should make the payment. One of the guys said so there wasn't an additional tax implication on the payment, Jeter should make it in Cash, like Butch Davis. Leave no trace, and let all of those under you take the fall...like a Mafia Don. Pretty funny to hear that reference on a national radio show. Mentioned that Chip Kelly didn't follow this golden rule, b/c you never write a check.

7/12/2011 9:11:25 AM

reposting for the LOLs

head to 1:35 for the most currently appropriate laughs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tCrL8HzSBQ

7/12/2011 9:27:51 AM

I have way more sympathy for Dez Bryant, who in reality actually didn't do anything wrong (other than lie), than McAdoo, who very clearly did break rules.

7/12/2011 10:30:21 AM

First of all, this is god damn America. There is no such thing as a lack of (or waiving) due process.

Secondly, I don't understand why you guys are jumping to point out that the problem is that he lied in addition to cheating, and that he's obviously guilty.

I said I know he's obviously guilty, and has no chance of winning.

But that doesn't mean, from a procedural and ideological perspective that he shouldn't have due process. He should be able to do what he's doing. And the NCAA should smack the UNC administration in the mouth for backing him up for his blatant horrible plagiarism.

7/12/2011 10:44:17 AM

of course he should be able to sue, but I don't think he has a chance in hell of winning unless the judge grants the request for immediate reinstatement while the case continues and then McAdoo's lawyers play a delay game until the season is over and drop the suit which I guess is winning in a way.

7/12/2011 11:01:03 AM

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"Why don't you step back a minute and think of him as a human being. Would you want to tell some poor ass college kid that all his dreams are crushed because he copy and pasted some shit off the internet and accepted $100 bucks worth of stuff?"

Yes, I would, because plagiarizing, cheating and stealing are all dishonorable, unsportsmanlike, and wrong.

7/12/2011 11:04:56 AM

i think there may be some sort of faulty thinking here.

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"Due process is the legal principle that the government must respect all of the legal rights that are owed to a person according to the law. Due process holds the government subservient to the law of the land protecting individual persons from the state. When a government harms a person without following the exact course of the law it constitutes a due process violation which offends against the rule of law"

You see, since the NCAA is in fact, not the government due process DOES NOT APPLY? He didn't have to waive his right to due process in an NCAA investigation because its non-applicable to a non-government body. He signed a contract with clearly stated rules and consequences, the other party felt that he had violated his part of the contract and there for invoked their contractual rights to disallow his participation in their future events. He is allowed a due process recourse to challenge their rulings on his eligibility which we are seeing now in the form of a government sanctioned legal proceeding. Actual due process is upheld and we are still in America, despite what the people at UNC-CHeat might want or believe.

7/12/2011 11:08:08 AM

Seriously if these guys have such a problem with the NCAA they should be up in arms with UNC for deciding to be and remain a member of the NCAA. People act like there aren't alternatives just because the alternatives aren't as nice.

7/12/2011 11:23:49 AM

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"First of all, this is god damn America. There is no such thing as a lack of (or waiving) due process."

you don't have due process here, do you? if a mod thinks you're such an idiot for not comprehending the basics of due process and decides to permaban you, is that a violation of your rights?

PS - you can play in college and not be under the NCAA

here's a list of pros that have played in the NAIA

http://naia.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/091005aaa.html

[Edited on July 12, 2011 at 12:27 PM. Reason : .]

7/12/2011 12:19:46 PM

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"First of all, this is god damn America. There is no such thing as a lack of (or waiving) due process."

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

7/12/2011 12:51:04 PM

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"First of all, this is god damn America. There is no such thing as a lack of (or waiving) due process."

This was already discussed before. If you don't like NCAA's rules, you don't have to play in the NCAA. Just as if you don't like a company's policies, you don't have to work for that company. Just as if you don't like the terms set-out in your lease agreement, you don't have to rent from that property owner.

God Damn America?

7/12/2011 12:58:50 PM

it has been reiterated multiple times, but he just doesn't get it.

7/12/2011 1:03:18 PM

(it's not like he's being threatened with incarceration, or even a fine)

7/12/2011 1:29:09 PM

Due process, in the terms we're using it here, means "fair treatment." I know due process is typically a law term, and that it typically applies to make the government listen... but that's not the context we're using it in. So let's all put on our thinking caps and use some context clues here. I think we can agree that in this context, "due process" is just "fair treatment from the system."

The NCAA not being a government body is a non issue. You people who keep parroting that are missing the point.

McAdoo is being punished by an institution without, from his perspective being treated fairly by the system. That is why he is suing, that is why he SHOULD sue.

The issue is not whether or not he WANTS to or is WILLING to follow the rules. The issue is that he is being PUNISHED by the institution without the due chance to defend himself with facts and proof from unfair treatment.

It's really frustrating when none of you actually pay attention to the content of the post, and just reply NOT THE GOVERNMENT, DOESN'T APPLY.






Also, ^^^ lol... Ok, you got me there. I guess not EVERYONE in the eyes of the law gets due process.

7/12/2011 1:46:59 PM

he didn't have the chance do defend himself in the first review of his case?

7/12/2011 1:51:12 PM

No, he had a chance to get interrogated by the NCAA

7/12/2011 1:52:54 PM

did you read the minutes in the doc from the ncaa review? He was interrogated by the ncaa way before the review, in the review he was given a chance to present evidence for his case and appeal the decision.

[Edited on July 12, 2011 at 1:55 PM. Reason : there was no interrogation in the review]

7/12/2011 1:54:25 PM

HE? Or UNC?

7/12/2011 1:57:27 PM

AstralEngine, just stop dude
you are not going to win this argument b/c you are just flat out wrong.

7/12/2011 1:58:20 PM

Yeah even for state action, due process usually just requires notice and a hearing and he got that

I think you're wrong bro

[Edited on July 12, 2011 at 2:01 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on July 12, 2011 at 2:02 PM. Reason : too many .s]

7/12/2011 2:01:30 PM

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"just stop dude"

7/12/2011 2:04:42 PM

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"HE? Or UNC?"

both.

7/12/2011 2:31:28 PM

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"ArmstrongWTVD Mark Armstrong Dunno if this was out there - but cameras are allowed in to shoot the McAdoo hearing tomorrow."

Makes me think that UNC knows how this thing is going to turn out...

7/12/2011 3:22:05 PM

lol, no way UNC walks out of there without an ass whooping.

7/12/2011 3:31:05 PM

^^live streaming? haha

7/12/2011 4:24:56 PM

shouldn't UNCCHEAT be blocking cameras because of FERPA??

7/12/2011 5:05:37 PM

not knowing much about the issue, why would it be UNC's decision?

7/12/2011 6:20:15 PM

yea, UNC has as much say in cameras being in a courtroom as any other defendant.

7/12/2011 7:03:56 PM

No man, don't you get it, the judge probably went to UNC and is just opening up the courtroom so everyone can see how awesome UNC is. He's gonna be like "We're here today for a trial.... sike, have some cake and punch"

7/12/2011 7:12:40 PM

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"Saying he had a choice in signing this "contract" with the NCAA is like someone offering you the choice of either having a shot at a multi-million dollar career in 3 years, or living the rest of your life working as a wing manager at McDonalds. Do you call that a choice?"

Sounds like a choice to me. He could also work his ass off for a couple years and then enter the draft. Nothing stops him from doing so.

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"Inherent racism in the bleeding heart liberal ideology ITT."

When you can't make an actual coherent argument, just play the race card. shows what you really got.

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"First of all, this is god damn America. There is no such thing as a lack of (or waiving) due process."

First of all, THE NCAAS IS NOT A GOD DAMNED COURT OF LAW. THUS, THERE IS NO FUCKING DUE PROCESS, YOU STUPID FUCKER. I don't give a fuck if this is Happy Namby Pamby Land and there are god damned unicorns flying around and shit. NCAAs == no due process requirement. Where in the FUCK do you think the phrase "due process" is found? That's right, the motherfuckin Constitution.

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"He signed a contract with clearly stated rules and consequences, the other party felt that he had violated his part of the contract and there for invoked their contractual rights to disallow his participation in their future events."

But they did so ACCORDING TO THE TERMS IN THAT GOD DAMNED CONTRACT!!! Ergo, they did EXACTLY what they said they would do; they followed their shit TO THE LETTER. Jesus you armchair lawyers are stupid as fuck. Dude has ZERO claims in court, because I'm betting the fucking contract said "all shit is done through arbitration and our dispute process," at which point the judge will tell him to fuck off. Due process applies TO THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT, not some random private organization.

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"Due process, in the terms we're using it here, means "fair treatment.""

Sure, if you redefine the god damned word, you can make it mean anything.

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"but that's not the context we're using it in."

That's PRECISELY the fucking context we are using it in. No wonder you are so fucking confused. If you mean "fair," then say "fair." I'd still say this little turd was treated "fairly," though, because he was treated exactly the way his contract said.

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"The NCAA not being a government body is a non issue."

Actually, it's PRECISELY at fucking issue. Due Process, in the sense that EVERYONE ELSE WHO ISN'T REDEFINING THE GOD DAMNED WORD uses it, applies ONLY to government.

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"McAdoo is being punished by an institution without, [b]from his perspective[b] being treated fairly by the system."

And, from his perspective, copying and pasting entire passages of someone else's work into his own and claiming it as his own also seems A-OK. Forgive me if I don't give a shit about McAdoo's fucked up perspective.

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"The issue is that he is being PUNISHED by the institution without the due chance to defend himself with facts and proof from unfair treatment. "

How do you figure? he went before the damned Honor Court. Sounds like a chance to defend himself, don't you think? They swept it the fuck under the rug, though, so I guess you could say he didn't "defend" himself. As well, he had full chance to defend himself to the NCAAs. He just then FUCKING LIED ABOUT IT. Sorry, chance at defense ends at the point you decide to lie.

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"It's really frustrating when none of you actually pay attention to the content of the post, and just reply NOT THE GOVERNMENT, DOESN'T APPLY."

It's really frustrating when someone comes in and bitches about something and then redefines a commonly understood phrase to mean something completely different and then gets pissed off when people discuss everything from the common definition of the phrase.

7/13/2011 1:50:27 PM

i'm not even reading all that shit...

you're like a lawyer who has to always get the last word

7/13/2011 1:53:41 PM

he's right though

7/13/2011 1:55:59 PM

TSB invades ST again...

(Not that I don't agree with most of his points)

[Edited on July 13, 2011 at 1:56 PM. Reason : .]

7/13/2011 1:56:03 PM

it's not that he's wrong, it's just funny that he has to comment on what everyone says in one elongated post full of quote boxes

7/13/2011 1:58:18 PM

Like they all do over at TSB. Which makes it unbearable to read.

7/13/2011 2:01:40 PM

fyi, court case starts at 2:30, various local triangle twitter personalities will be in courtroom and tweeting, not sure if it will be live on Wral et al. or not, but twitter's good enough for me.

@armstrongwtvd

7/13/2011 2:02:58 PM

26 minutes to go!

7/13/2011 2:04:03 PM

Just keep in mind that the LAST time a UNC player sued the NCAA for reinstatement, they won, regardless of all the rights they implicitly signed away when they joined the NCAA.

So suck it, the NCAA obviously has to be held to some standards of fairness by our judicial system, don't they?

[Edited on July 13, 2011 at 2:07 PM. Reason : ]

7/13/2011 2:05:33 PM

only in regards to the court proceedings...if they have rules outlined in their by-laws, the court can't question fairness.

think of it as contract law, that's the closest comparison.

7/13/2011 2:06:54 PM

and also keep in mind that courts usually like to stay out of the way private organizations punish offenders (i.e. those in breach of contract), which also an argument against the whole: the courts should at least look at the unfairness or inconsistency of the way punishment is applied.

All the NCAA has to do is start making their case for why, and if its sufficiently complicated sounding, the judge will go "you have no case".

It's also not like they are preventing McAdoo from playing professional football or going to a different association etc.

7/13/2011 2:14:34 PM

McAdoo broke rules clearly outlined by the NCAA...the $100 or whatever is petty, but he lied. he also lied about his paper, and i can tell you that courts do not like lying. it immediately brings your credibility into question, so anything he or his lawyers try to prove may be tainted.

7/13/2011 2:21:41 PM