Captain Rich All American 652 Posts user info edit post |
Well although this may sound condescending, i should know better than to expect much from many sopranos fans 6/4/2006 10:28:23 PM |
UJustWait84 All American 25821 Posts user info edit post |
the season sucked ok
people have every right to be pissed 6/5/2006 12:32:39 AM |
Punter16 All American 2021 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Also i hate it when people expect this show to be nothing but violence and sex. it ignores some of of the most brilliant things about the show." |
I don't just watch the show for the violence.....I appreciate all the little subtle nuances, undertones, symbolism, social commentary, etc. that you're referring to as the "brilliant things about the show", and yes:
Quote : | "worst fucking season ever " |
6/5/2006 12:40:30 AM |
SipnOnSyzurp All American 8923 Posts user info edit post |
i thought moltisanti was gonna get popped when they were having coffee and talking about goin to a meeting...it's like the music changes a little when they walk outside
this season was pretty underwhelming, to say the least
i'm not the dude that says everything has to be bulletholes in the head and rampant sex
but jesus
throw me a fucking cliffhanger 6/5/2006 1:12:11 AM |
sober46an3 All American 47925 Posts user info edit post |
agreed...the first episode was great, but everything aftewards seemed to be building and building to something big....but nothing ever happened. 6/5/2006 8:11:52 AM |
typhicane All American 2400 Posts user info edit post |
I will say it, I watch it for the sex and gangster fucking violence. If I want to see happy endings and healthy family life, I will watch fucking 7th Heaven. All the symbolism and parallels make this show great and worth watching over and over, but seriously, throw me a bone with the stories.
Blow some shit up, fuck some whores and kill some New York guys. No more gay johnny cakes, or that shit about a european vacation or any of that. Get the sights on some fat round NY gangster heads and squeeze a few off. Then hit your goomar's(sp?) house and tie one off.
6/5/2006 8:36:55 AM |
ssjamind All American 30102 Posts user info edit post |
these last two episodes needed to be less anticlimactic (sp?). the last two episodes took the season from a 9 to a 4 (on a scale of 1-10) 6/5/2006 10:01:53 AM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148446 Posts user info edit post |
did any of you geniuses know that last night's episode was NOT the season finale? that the finale 8 episodes next year are "bonus episodes", that are a part of this season? no, i guess you wouldnt know that would you 6/5/2006 10:16:58 AM |
ssjamind All American 30102 Posts user info edit post |
i did not know that 6/5/2006 10:20:05 AM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148446 Posts user info edit post |
also if you think about it from that perspective, it makes last night's episode not seem as disappointing 6/5/2006 10:34:29 AM |
BEU All American 12512 Posts user info edit post |
Any break in episodes over 6 months is the end of a season, and with that a finale. I don't care if they are technically in the same season. I have to wait 6 months for the next season. Which will have a season premiere and finale with it. 6/5/2006 11:16:36 AM |
sublimechica All American 10847 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " thought moltisanti was gonna get popped when they were having coffee and talking about goin to a meeting...it's like the music changes a little when they walk outside " |
i kinda had that feeling too, but i thought julianna would get it6/5/2006 11:36:22 AM |
BEU All American 12512 Posts user info edit post |
I definatly thought moltisanti(sp?) was gonna getit. 6/5/2006 11:38:08 AM |
Restricted All American 15537 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Call it a semi-finale
Anti-climactic episode means wait'til 2007 for real fireworks
Monday, June 05, 2006
WARNING: This column contains major plot spoilers for last night's "Sopranos" episode.
Don't think of it as a season finale. You might feel happier that way.
HBO has been careful to call January's final eight shows "bonus episodes" for this season. At first, I assumed that was just clever language to avoid having to negotiate a new season's salary for the actors. But the only way to rationalize last night's meandering, closure-light episode is if you believe that David Chase considers all 20 episodes to be of a piece.
But fact is, this is the last episode we'll get for seven months. An eyeblink compared to the last hiatus, but season five closed with the double-barreled power of "Long-Term Parking" and "All Due Respect," and "Kaisha" wasn't nearly in that class. By opening the hour with a dedication to the late John Patterson, who had directed all the previous season finales, Chase and company were calling this a finale of some kind.
I've heard all the complaints about this season, but this was the first time all year where I felt genuinely unsatisfied. I know I've been writing for weeks that we were heading towards an implosion, and that I didn't think much would be resolved before January. But it's one thing to predict it and another thing to experience it.
Chase has always had a fondness for zagging when the audience expects him to zig, and sometimes it feels like he goes zagging off just because he can. He wants to wean viewers off of all the TV narrative traditions they've been suckling since birth, but some of those traditions are there for a reason, and have been since long before TV existed. Steven Bochco didn't say that if you show a gun in the first act, you have to fire it by the third; Anton Chekhov did.
I'm not insisting we needed all-out war between Phil and Tony, or Carmela to visit the FBI offices in search of Adriana, or Paulie to die of cancer. But we needed something interesting to happen in one of the arcs, rather than the crude jokes Chase and company tried to disguise as resolutions, like Carmela abandoning the Ade search as soon as Tony revived the spec house, or Phil's heart attack tabling the war.
The latter half of this season hasn't had the same drive and cohesion of the first five or six episodes, but each hour has featured at least one compelling development or image: Johnny Sack, broken man; Tony finally taking a firm hand with AJ; an oblivious Carmela helping Tony get dressed for a tryst; etc.
Last night was mostly another installment of the Christopher Moltisanti Scag Junkie Hour. We get it already: Drug addicts are among the most boring people on the planet. We got it when Christopher shot up through the Italy trip. We got it when he was high at Livia's wake. We got it when he sat on Cosette. New punchline, please.
We know that characters on this show rarely, if ever, change (even New Tony has backslid enough that you could call him Slightly New Tony), but usually the writers manage to use that immutability in service of interesting stories. When they revisited Christopher's Hollywood obsession in "Luxury Lounge," at least we got to see him punch Lauren Bacall in the face. All we got here was Julianna Margulies proving that skimpy underwear doesn't make you look good if you're puking in it.
Even Tony had to acknowledge to Melfi how much his life is running in place -- and that, since his therapy sessions haven't done him much good in years, he just comes to see her. (Note his wardrobe for these visits.)
Not coincidentally, the only character not stuck in the mud was the most interesting of the night: AJ. Not only has his derisive nickname been upgraded from "Prince Albert" to "Working Man," but for the first time in his life, he seems to understand about responsibility.
Falling for the right girl helps, of course, not that Carm's prejudices would allow her to see that Blanca could be the right one for AJ. Before, he might have been dumb enough to think he could scare those guys on the stoop, or callow enough to just use them as an excuse to bail; instead, he offered up his bike to make them go away, about the smartest, most selfless thing he's ever done. To be fair, he did get rewarded with his first sex scene on the show, but this really feels like a new and improved AJ. Even the bit where he mouthed off to Tony at the Christmas party ("I got a guy." "And I got a job.") felt different -- maybe because AJ wasn't taking the easy way out.
But is AJ's redemption enough to tide us over until January? "Kaisha" didn't change my opinion of the overall brilliance of this season, but it's leaving a sour taste in my mouth as we wait one last time for more adventures of Messrs. Soprano, Gualtieri, et al.
Some other random thoughts:
Butch Deconcini, one of Phil's sidekicks, was played by Gregory Antonacci. Nearly 30 years ago, Antonacci played a wannabe wiseguy from Newark in two Chase-written episodes of "The Rockford Files" called "The Jersey Bounce" and "Just a Coupla Guys." The latter featured a family-oriented Jersey mob boss named Tony who was sort of a rough draft for our Tony. And the circle is complete.
I know she's only appeared twice, but I think I hate Mrs. Phil more than any character in the history of the series. Now she feels bad that Vito's dead?
At The Movies I: Christopher's line about getting "the 50 Cent movie" free at the car wash was a self-deprecating joke by Terence Winter, who wrote the script for "Get Rich or Die Trying." Also in the wheels-within-wheels category: The Christopher character in "Cleaver" is named Michael. Might the last name start and end with an I?
And now AJ has replaced narcoleptic Aaron as the guy Tony throws food at on Thanksgiving. Good times.
At The Movies II: "Vertigo," the movie Chris and Julianna see, is about a man whose obsession with his dead lover consumes him to the point where he tries to turn his new girlfriend into a copy of the old one. When we come back in January, will Julianna have talon fingernails and an animal print wardrobe?
Maybe "The Shah of Iran" is an unfair nickname for Phil. When he lurched back into the hospital, he looked more like Frankenstein's monster.
With Junior, it always comes back to JFK, doesn't it? Sad, sad old man, trying to keep his dignity by regifting the Bacala money to his orderly.
At The Movies III: Why so many shots of Bacala's son watching "Casablanca"? Will there be a scene in January where Phil and his guys start singing "New York, New York" at the Crazy Horse and Tony and pals drown them out with a stirring "Thunder Road"? Will the final shot of the series be Tony and Agent Harris walking along a Newark Airport runway, talking about their beautiful new friendship?
That's all the mob talk until January, folks. I'm still writing about TV daily in The Star-Ledger and on our Web site (nj.com/tv/ledger/), and if you're a fan of HBO's other violent masterpiece, "Deadwood," my fellow Star-Ledger critic Matt Zoller Seitz will be doing weekly Rewind columns that you'll be able to find on our Web site every Monday. And we may have more Rewinds in store when the network TV season resumes in September. Until then, see you in the funny papers ... " |
6/5/2006 11:59:26 AM |
Cif82 All American 10455 Posts user info edit post |
i fucking love this show, bring on the last 8 episodes 6/5/2006 12:46:00 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148446 Posts user info edit post |
they've gotta set you up for the last 8, like maybe AJ will have a kid with old girl or maybe Chrissy will OD or some shit 6/5/2006 12:50:10 PM |
UJustWait84 All American 25821 Posts user info edit post |
THAT WOULD BE BRILLIANT IF THAT HAPPENED 6/5/2006 1:45:41 PM |
BEU All American 12512 Posts user info edit post |
^^^^If he is predicting an implosion, where will the source be.
Tony makes peace(so it seems) with Phil at the end of the episode, but butts heads with Phils lieutenant leaving the room. I wonder if Phil dies, will this lieutenant cause the implosion?
[Edited on June 5, 2006 at 3:01 PM. Reason : g] 6/5/2006 2:57:40 PM |
typhicane All American 2400 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "did any of you geniuses know that last night's episode was NOT the season finale? that the finale 8 episodes next year are "bonus episodes", that are a part of this season? no, i guess you wouldnt know that would you" |
derr... thanks for that info. you know over memorial day they showed reruns....6/5/2006 3:11:54 PM |
wolftrap All American 1260 Posts user info edit post |
if anyone has recordings of this season's episodes please PM me 6/5/2006 3:43:36 PM |
Lewizzle All American 14393 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "AJ's new girl is hot" |
She's also Calliston in X-Men 3.
[Edited on June 5, 2006 at 8:11 PM. Reason : a]6/5/2006 8:10:31 PM |
Mr. Joshua Swimfanfan 43948 Posts user info edit post |
GTFO
Really? 6/5/2006 9:23:26 PM |
SipnOnSyzurp All American 8923 Posts user info edit post |
that real estate chick is pretty hot as well
maybe it's her personality contributing, too 6/6/2006 1:13:24 PM |
ssjamind All American 30102 Posts user info edit post |
if I had a broad like Christopher's, i would never stray 6/6/2006 1:17:39 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148446 Posts user info edit post |
but the playing field is temporarily closed, or whatever 6/6/2006 1:20:39 PM |
SipnOnSyzurp All American 8923 Posts user info edit post |
this show got me saying whore like "hoo-ah" 6/6/2006 2:01:25 PM |
Kris All American 36908 Posts user info edit post |
real estate girl isn't nearly as hot as his wife 6/6/2006 5:59:06 PM |
Kris All American 36908 Posts user info edit post |
[Edited on June 6, 2006 at 5:59 PM. Reason : ]
6/6/2006 5:59:28 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148446 Posts user info edit post |
^^agreed ^wtf 6/6/2006 10:19:59 PM |
jordanfromnj All American 1177 Posts user info edit post |
when are they gonna replay the last season and possibly the whole series? 6/6/2006 10:51:21 PM |
ncWOLFsu Gottfather FTL 12586 Posts user info edit post |
on hbo on demand 6/6/2006 11:05:56 PM |
JRattB All American 2008 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I definatly thought moltisanti(sp?) was gonna getit." |
Yeah, it seemed like that was going to be the way the episode ended. I think Phil even mentioned killing Chris last season after his brother was killed.6/9/2006 6:18:21 PM |
Mr. Joshua Swimfanfan 43948 Posts user info edit post |
[old]?
6/13/2006 8:50:32 AM |
Mr. Joshua Swimfanfan 43948 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Gandolfini injured; 'Sopranos' delayed Series' final episodes now likely to start in March" |
http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/TV/07/13/tv.sopranos.ap/index.html
Fuck. 7/13/2006 4:15:42 PM |
joepeshi All American 8094 Posts user info edit post |
damn 7/13/2006 9:39:27 PM |
elkaybie All American 39626 Posts user info edit post |
durrrr...i shoulda known this was already posted
[Edited on July 14, 2006 at 9:15 AM. Reason : ] 7/14/2006 9:14:57 AM |
Cif82 All American 10455 Posts user info edit post |
from tvguide.com
Quote : | "Daniel Baldwin has been cast in a potentially recurring role on The Sopranos, playing the star of the "Saw meets The Godfather" horror flick that Christopher has been developing" |
8/8/2006 3:29:25 PM |
mrlebowski All American 9310 Posts user info edit post |
haha, that's awesome 8/9/2006 9:49:16 AM |
Lewizzle All American 14393 Posts user info edit post |
His dismembered body parts were on the same garbage route. Puhahaha, brilliant! 8/9/2006 10:00:50 AM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148446 Posts user info edit post |
CLEAVER 8/9/2006 10:50:15 AM |
Mr. Joshua Swimfanfan 43948 Posts user info edit post |
ahahahaha
9/9/2006 2:09:54 PM |
ncWOLFsu Gottfather FTL 12586 Posts user info edit post |
lmao 9/9/2006 5:26:35 PM |
optmusprimer All American 30318 Posts user info edit post |
bump 10/16/2006 1:48:42 PM |
hunterb2003 All American 14423 Posts user info edit post |
i want to buy all the Sopranos seasons 10/17/2006 8:56:22 AM |
mrlebowski All American 9310 Posts user info edit post |
Ize gots dem all 10/17/2006 10:38:46 AM |