captain caps lock to the rescue!

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9/7/2007 10:26:04 AM

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"DUDES WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ALL ARGUING ABOUT SO THE IPHONE DROPPED IN PRICE BIG FUCKING SURPRISE THERE IS NOT A CELL PHONE ON THE PLANET THAT DOESNT DROP IN PRICE AFTER A COUPLE OF MONTHS LIKE WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ALL ARGUING? HURRRRRRRRRR IPHONE ADOPTERS GOT OWNED HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR ANYBODY THAT BUYS ELECTRONICS KNOWS THIS HOW IT WORKS. DONT BE A DUMB FGT."

9/7/2007 10:34:23 AM

i have a belly button.

9/7/2007 10:37:54 AM

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"but I guarantee you hardly anyone would've bought it if they knew that the phone was going to drop in price by 33% after just two months. A year and several million iPhone sales would make that price drop more understandable."

Have you ever met an apple fanboy? Hell have you ever read any of Golovko's posts on the subject?

Of course they would have sold almost just as many phones. How else would you have known who the true Apple enthusiasts were?

9/7/2007 10:54:10 AM

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"xienze - i'd really stop trying to argue your point... you're just digging yourself deeper and deeper in that mine of stupidity"

Then let me just ask you this... pretend the iPhone launched at $599 and exactly one week later cost $399. Would you be upset if you bought on launch day? How about two weeks later? Where do you draw the line? Two months is just too short a time for such a drastic price cut to not point fingers in Apple's direction as having planned the whole thing all along and being dishonest with their customers. Nobody expects a company to not make a profit, but it leaves a bad taste in your mouth when you find out to what extent they're really taking you for a ride. People expect a certain amount of markup with products, but there's only so far you can go.

Also, I didn't actually buy an iPhone (thought it was a poor choice with no 3G -- typical Apple, leaving products intentionally crippled from the start), but my viewpoint is far from a minority one...

9/7/2007 10:56:17 AM

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"Of course they would have sold almost just as many phones. How else would you have known who the true Apple enthusiasts were?"

Well, good point, they Apple faithful would willingly hand over any amount. True. However, the ~900K phone sold were sold to a whole lot of "regular" people who would've had enough sense to wait two months for a phone to save $200.

9/7/2007 10:58:21 AM

OH REALLY

WOULD HAVE HAD ENOUGH SENSE EH?

EVEN THOUGH EVERY PIECE OF ELECTRONICS EVER MADE EVER COMES DOWN IN PRICE AFTER A FEW MONTHS

AND HAS DONE SO SINCE THE FUCKING VACUUM TUBE RADIO

SOMEHOW 1 MILLION AMERICANS WERE TOTALLY CAUGHT OFF GUARD?

OR MORE LIKELY, WE'RE A CONSUMER NATION AND WILL TAKE OURS WHERE WE CAN GET IT?

JESUS HOW THE FUCK DO ANY OF YOU MAKE IT THROUGH COLLEGE?

9/7/2007 11:05:27 AM

I'M NOT FILLED WITH RAGE

9/7/2007 11:07:48 AM

SandSanta? More like SandInVagina.

9/7/2007 11:11:35 AM

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"Have you ever met an apple fanboy? Hell have you ever read any of Golovko's posts on the subject? Of course they would have sold almost just as many phones. How else would you have known who the true Apple enthusiasts were?"

coming from the guy who bought a new nano the next day after it was announced. talk about fanboy.

9/7/2007 11:11:48 AM

El Nacho? more like El Fanboy

9/7/2007 11:14:42 AM

HEY EL NACHO

DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT ALL BY YOURSELF?

I'M SIMPLY AMAZED BY YOUR ORIGINALITY.

SHOCKED EVEN MORE ABOUT THE CREATIVITY OOZING FROM YOUR FINGERTIPS THEN ABOUT THE IPHONE PRICE DROP.

9/7/2007 11:14:47 AM

Really? that's all you got? me buying a nano?

Shit, I hope you don't find out I'm typing this on my macbook I just purchased an hour ago. You'd really go apeshit then.

The difference between me and you? I don't act like it's the second fucking coming of Christ. It's just a fucking mp3 player and a laptop to me.

9/7/2007 11:15:47 AM

LOL, el dipshit....nothing i've said is fanboy material....you just think it is because by your guidelines if someone owns a product made by apple they are instantly a fanboy. So i stand by my statement. You are a fanboy.

9/7/2007 11:19:30 AM

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"OH REALLY WOULD HAVE HAD ENOUGH SENSE EH? EVEN THOUGH EVERY PIECE OF ELECTRONICS EVER MADE EVER COMES DOWN IN PRICE AFTER A FEW MONTHS AND HAS DONE SO SINCE THE FUCKING VACUUM TUBE RADIO SOMEHOW 1 MILLION AMERICANS WERE TOTALLY CAUGHT OFF GUARD? OR MORE LIKELY, WE'RE A CONSUMER NATION AND WILL TAKE OURS WHERE WE CAN GET IT? JESUS HOW THE FUCK DO ANY OF YOU MAKE IT THROUGH COLLEGE?"

How do people not figure out that caps lock is on?

Yes, electronics do decrease in price at a fairly expected rate. Consumers take this into consideration when weighing their options. It's also more gradual than 33% all at once. Usually we see consumer electronics go down 5-10% every quarter or so.

Apple likewise has a fairly predictable pricing structure. Namely, the price stays the same and around six to eight months after the last revision the specs are updated. People familiar with Apple are usually hesitant to buy a particular product "late" in its lifecycle for this very reason.

A 33% price drop (very unusual for Apple) after only two months (very, very unusual) caught everyone off guard. I only wish consumer electronics from other manufacturers dropped in price that rapidly.

9/7/2007 11:19:47 AM

but its ok, because all us early birds knew this 33% price drop was going to happen after 2 months but we bought the phone anyway because we're fanboys.

9/7/2007 11:21:26 AM

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" Yes, electronics do decrease in price at a fairly expected rate. Consumers take this into consideration when weighing their options. It's also more gradual than 33% all at once. Usually we see consumer electronics go down 5-10% every quarter or so. "

TRANSLATION:

YEA I'M GOING TO CONCEDE THAT ELECTRONICS DROPPING IN PRICE IS A KNOWN FACT BUT BY GOLLY APPLE DROPPED THE PRICE TOO FAR!!1

EXCEPT WAIT,DIDN'T THE RAZR DEBUT AT SOME ASININE PRICE?

AND DIDNT IT DROP IN PRICE SIGNIFICANTLY BY THE NEXT QUARTER?

WHY YES, YES IT DID.

LIKE ALL CELL PHONES.

9/7/2007 11:27:10 AM

You know, you could probably call Golovko a lot of things, but I don't really think "Apple Fanboy" is even remotely close to true.

9/7/2007 11:28:43 AM

^^ Chill with the caps lock.

One important thing about the RAZR that you're (intentionally?) forgetting is that Motorola had sold millions upon millions of them by that time. You can at least chalk the price drop up to economies of scale.

9/7/2007 11:32:33 AM

^^His posts scream otherwise.

9/7/2007 11:33:15 AM

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"^^His posts scream otherwise."

Your posts make you sound like you've got a huge stick up your ass and whine a lot.

Accurate depiction?

9/7/2007 11:34:46 AM

I just can't stand for stupidity.

Sue me.

9/7/2007 11:35:16 AM

I think el Nacho is a smart guy and knows what he's talking about.

9/7/2007 11:36:24 AM

well of course you're gonna think that.

You're retarded.

9/7/2007 11:39:08 AM

I'm still laughing at the fact that the same person that said this:

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"nothing i've said is fanboy material"

also said this:

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"Doesn't sting at all to have paid $200 more and been using the iPhone all this time. =)"

9/7/2007 11:45:10 AM

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"Do not consecutively reply to a topic - If you are within the alloted timespan for editing a message that no one has replied to and you think of something to add, EDIT the message. DO NOT REPLY AGAIN. Constant abuse of this will not be tolerated."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

9/7/2007 11:46:59 AM

Yeah so this thread is dead. Please lock it mods.

9/7/2007 11:48:58 AM

yes, because all threads die when Charybdisjim says so.

9/7/2007 11:50:23 AM

How about when you and a few others fill the last couple pages with nothing but childish bickering and bullshit? Thank you for killing this thread.

[Edited on September 7, 2007 at 12:22 PM. Reason : ]

9/7/2007 12:20:26 PM

INCORRECT.

MOTOROLA SOLD MILLIONS OVER THE LIFE OF THE PHONE.

IT HADN'T SOLD MILLIONS BY THE TIME ITS FIRST PROMOTIONAL PRICE CUT HAPPENED.

SIR.

9/7/2007 12:21:38 PM

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" Also, I didn't actually buy an iPhone (thought it was a poor choice"

oh, i'm glad you cleared that up. i couldn't tell...i thought you actually owned one.

and i'll post this again, for your benefit. just read the articles, and perhaps you'll realize the stupidity of your pricing complaints.

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"...if its the latter, i suggest reading through this entire thread as theres a lesson on how to troll on almost every page. if its the former, read these articles in their entirety: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand"

9/7/2007 12:42:39 PM

if you're bitching about $200 then you obviously can't afford it anyways.. some of us make more than that per day and have used the iphone enough in the last few months to justify the $200

9/7/2007 4:23:44 PM

This thread houses one of the most bizarre arguements

1) It costs too much im not going to buy it

***200$ Price Drop a few months later***

2) It dropped in price TOO much.


Interesting.....

It isnt like the things a ps3. It's a phone and does make phone calls. The gamespot, ign rating of the phone call content may vary by location.

9/7/2007 6:58:59 PM

^haha its anti-apple fanboys. They live off this bitching.

9/7/2007 7:45:31 PM

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"One important thing about the RAZR that you're (intentionally?) forgetting is that Motorola had sold millions upon millions of them by that time. You can at least chalk the price drop up to economies of scale."

Yea this is completely wrong. The RAZR didn't start selling in mass until the second or third major price cut.

Golovko is not an Apple fanboy, he is a tech fanboy. Get it right people. Homeboy will buy ANYTHING just to be the kid to have it and look cool with it.

9/7/2007 7:48:48 PM

correction - homeboy's non-job-having-ass's uncle will pay for one for him

9/7/2007 10:22:36 PM

"anti apple fanboy..."
that doesn't make sence

fan of what... the underdogs?

9/7/2007 11:01:08 PM

I don't really get you people. Everybody I've spoken to who already had an iPhone was not "unhappy" that they dropped in price. Those who bought it at $600 thought it was worth it -obviously. I don't know if it's jealousy some of you have or what. Some people have more money than you do... Some people appreciate different things, etc. I bought two on the day of the price drop. Sounds like it'll get them more sales. Again, it was worth $600, it's w/out a doubt several tiers above anything else avail. at the new price point. I don't see the problem.
Ahmet

9/8/2007 12:38:42 AM

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" Golovko is not an Apple fanboy, he is a tech fanboy. Get it right people. Homeboy will buy ANYTHING just to be the kid to have it and look cool with it."

EXACTLY...i love tech. that if its a product i think is cool and well though out, i'll pay to have it. Proud of it too.



And i'm just curious to know what biography you people have been reading about me....cause you seem to know more about me then I do.... :shrug:

9/8/2007 3:09:37 AM

I never really had a problem with the iPhone's price, hell I bought an iPod 4 years ago when they cost $400. I just didn't think it was a complete enough product yet to justify a purchase, like almost any first gen apple product. It's supposed to combine your iPod and your smart phone into one device, but it's not good enough at being either one to justify the price for me.

It doesn't have enough storage to replace my 20 gig iPod, so I'd still have to take that with me. It's not a good enough smart phone to justify a $600 price tag, given phones like the At&T 8525 which were available at the time for as much or cheaper, and destroyed the iPhone in functionality and feature set. Today, you have the HTC TyTn II (soon to be the AT&T 8925), which has a touch screen interface, 3.5G, GPS, and a microSD expansion slot.

However, I really do like look, feel, and usability of Apple products so I'm still inclined to wait and see if the iPhone will expand it's feature set to compete with those other phones. However, I'm just not ready to spend $600 or even $400 just for the novelty of posting on TWW while taking a crap at work (yet)

By the way, saying you're ok that it dropped in price is one thing, but pretending that there weren't a lot of iPhone owners who were seriously miffed about a 33% price drop 2 months after release is just being blind, deaf, and dumb. Saying that this a common place price drop is like saying App over Michigan is an every day upset in college football. Why do you think they announced the $100 credit? They were having fucking riots in front of Apple Stores for god sakes, and the blogosphere was on fire with pissed off Apple fan boys. It's fine that you don't care, I probably wouldn't have either, but there were plenty of people that did.

Oh, and Wall Street obviously didn't think it was a great move either, given the way Apple's stock value tumbled after the announcement.

[Edited on September 8, 2007 at 8:18 AM. Reason : :]

9/8/2007 8:09:33 AM

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"Oh, and Wall Street obviously didn't think it was a great move either, given the way Apple's stock value tumbled after the announcement."

Everything in that post was ok except for this. This is made-up nonsense. "Buy on the rumor, sell on the news." Happens every time apple has a big announcement.

9/8/2007 10:24:59 AM

i still have a belly button

9/8/2007 11:00:22 AM

In the cellphone industry, a price drop a couple months after release is standard. Standard. I've sat through marketing meetings where they'd clearly marked:

"RELEASE"
"Q1"
"Q2"
"Q3"
"EOL"

And indicated the different price points and changes in margin expected so they could calculate overall ROI. All this, by the way, is usually planned before a single engineer even touches the product.

The only people shocked by this price drop are the hordes of naive consumers who payed more then 40$ for a phone for the first time in their lives (and coincidentally, half of you kids on this website).

Price drops on products that are selling don't "magically" happen. They're generally always founded by market reasons and Apple giving a refund is really only because Apple put its foot in its mouth by claiming that the iphone price would be constant.

9/8/2007 9:32:22 PM

Is it common with smart phones though? The iPhone's closest competitor, the AT&T/Cingular 8525 was released back in November of last year for $599 without contract, $399 with contract. Nine months later, and it still costs......

http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-details/?device=AT%26T+8525&q_sku=sku970003

$599 without contract, $399 with contract. Is that completely out of the ordinary?

9/8/2007 9:58:45 PM

Uh... http://www.amazon.com/AT-T-8525-PDA-Phone/dp/B000KFWUMG/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-3296243-8270558?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1189303252&sr=8-1

$200 with service plan

[Edited on September 8, 2007 at 10:02 PM. Reason : .]

9/8/2007 10:02:01 PM

Yeah, try checking out for that price. You have to sign up for the $110+ a month service plan, and that deal has also been available since day one. Trust me, I looked all this shit up months ago when I was looking to buy one of these things. The price hasn't changed.

9/8/2007 10:10:11 PM

My iTunes taking way longer (few min) to sync after installing the new 7.4 version. Anyone having same problems?

9/8/2007 11:29:06 PM

http://www.amazon.com/AT-T-8525-PDA-Phone/dp/B000KFWUMG/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-3296243-8270558?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1189303252&sr=8-1

3 tips:

1) The iphone is not a business class smartphone.

2) The phone discount rule applies to all phones. If you're too incompetent to find a cheap cost then baby, stick with whatever they give you for free.

3) Seriously dude. Like stop even trying to theorycraft this shit with me. I've had this very discussion hundreds of times with people way smarter then you that also happened to be in the cellular industry.

PS- Just the verify that you are, in fact, an idiot (and I say this with love Iskander, but good God your arguments are just rotten). I added the cheapest plan (39.99) available and went all the way through to checking out: right down to the part where I select one of my CC numbers.

199$ subtotal.





[Edited on September 9, 2007 at 3:15 AM. Reason : yawn, it bae late.]

9/9/2007 3:09:42 AM

Why not all of u go back to discussing the iphone rather than arguing about the price... do they have another date when they will be updated to fit consumer desires or do thay plan to do that at all?

9/9/2007 7:26:54 AM

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"Just the verify that you are, in fact, an idiot (and I say this with love Iskander, but good God your arguments are just rotten). I added the cheapest plan (39.99) available and went all the way through to checking out: right down to the part where I select one of my CC numbers."

Then I suggest trying again. They automatically select the $44.99 a month unlimited data service plan for you, on top of whatever call plan you choose, which you have to commit to for 6 months to get that price. And it doesn't change the fact that the price hasn't dropped a dime since release.

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"The iphone is not a business class smartphone."

If your price drop theory doesn't apply to a business class smartphone, how the hell does is apply to an iPhone then? Your entire argument this page (scratch that this entire thread) has been "I worked for a cellphone company so by default, I'm right and your wrong". How do expect to be taken seriously by anyone here when all you can do is blab about your job and type in caps?

^I'm not arguing price. I'm not even saying early adopters got screwed, the price was going to drop eventually and anyone who buys something day 1 knows what they are getting into. It's just funny that people keep insisting that a price drop of this magnitude, in this time frame, is the norm. It's not. It's happened about as many times as a company has given out a $100 credit to early adopters.

9/9/2007 9:40:05 AM