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TAHSFC meeting at 6pm
beer and tortilla chips will be provided
wear gold
be prepared to hear a lot of profane language

3/14/2009 1:38:51 PM

I hope they win, just so I can read the EPIC implosion on PackPride.

3/14/2009 3:38:35 PM

i hope they lose.

3/14/2009 3:46:28 PM

I'll be watching....I guess I am pulling for these guys and Tennessee now since we are done and so is Davidson.

3/14/2009 3:57:57 PM

I am pulling for Herb...i've found myself rooting for them this year and hope they put together a good tournament. whatever you thought about his performance at here you have to admit it's nothing short of amazing what he's done with ASU in such a short time. that program was in shambles

3/14/2009 4:00:19 PM

i'd be a lot more inclined to pull for him if i didn't have to deal with a bunch of unc/duke/whatever fans / state haters saying "oh i bet sendak is lookin pretty good now isnt he!"

3/14/2009 4:14:50 PM

i'm definitely pulling for them to win it

3/14/2009 4:17:13 PM

Why? Our fanbase ran off a great coach because he thought getting to the NCAA tournament and being a top 50 team year in and year out was more important than beating UNC and Duke. Honestly, we deserve to rule the shittier, Herb was a great coach and a good guy and we did him wrong. (Hmmm, reminds me of another coach we had... )

3/14/2009 4:19:00 PM

our fanbase ran off a great coach

give it a rest...if he isnt fucking man enough to deal with fans talking shit, he damn sure isnt man enough to ever be able to get us to a point to compete with unc or duke, or go much farther than the 1st weekend in the ncaa tourney...get over sendek, he's gone, he left because he couldnt take the heat of coaching at a program with history and expectations...tough shit for him

3/14/2009 4:28:13 PM

Herb is a better than average coach who, if he were still in the ACC, would probably be the 5th best coach in the league, behind K, the Williams boys and Purnell (big drop off from G. Williams to Purnell).

If they lose today I'll simply think the man is cursed. There is no reason for them not to win today. Still, I don't see them going very far in the NCAAs, but that's par for the course.

3/14/2009 4:35:42 PM

More like he was sick of taking shit from too many fans with unrealistic expectations from 2 decades ago.

3/14/2009 4:37:03 PM

Why is it unrealistic to think that State can compete on a national level? We did it for the better part of 5 decades.

3/14/2009 4:38:10 PM

^^^That's funny because Herb's last few years he practically owned Gary Williams.

And Tree come on, people were talking shit to his little girl. Would you have stayed?

[Edited on March 14, 2009 at 4:39 PM. Reason : Herb hating]

3/14/2009 4:39:12 PM

Gary Williams also has a national title and ACC championship on his resume. How can you rank a coach higher than him when Herb's greatest accomplishment was reaching the Sweet 16?

3/14/2009 4:41:05 PM

We were competing on a national level, we went to the tourney 5 years in a row.

3/14/2009 4:41:49 PM

i supported herb 100% when he was here, but he has a big boy job and gets big boy money for it, oh so some fans are being rude, oh no lets pack up and move across country...he had plateaued with what he could do for our program

^and in those 5 years, our record was 6-5 in the tourney

whoopty do

or was it 5-5?

[Edited on March 14, 2009 at 4:46 PM. Reason : .]

3/14/2009 4:43:46 PM

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"people were talking shit to his little girl"

elementary school girl gets teased. more at 11.

3/14/2009 4:47:45 PM

I don't know I would rather have 5-5 in the NCAA tourney than the garbage on the court I watch now.

3/14/2009 4:49:43 PM

i want everything immediately, i have no patience, or understanding of college basketball

3/14/2009 4:51:31 PM

I'm just saying I was one of the few who was happy with where we were when Herb was here and quite upset to see him go.

3/14/2009 4:53:54 PM

i was also happy with where we were, i truly was, but since he's gone, i realize it takes time to get back to where we want to be, and i'm willing to give it til at least midway through next season

3/14/2009 4:58:25 PM

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"Herb is a better than average coach who, if he were still in the ACC, would probably be the 5th best coach in the league, behind K, the Williams boys and Purnell (big drop off from G. Williams to Purnell)."

Purnell? He's never even won ONE tournament game in 20 seasons of being a head coach at the D-1 level... Are you kidding me?

And yes Herb would be, at best, the 4th best coach in the ACC... when you think that Hall of Famers like Jim Boeheim would probably be 3rd that is probably not exactly an insult.

Rick Barnes would be 3rd. John Calipari would be 3rd. Tom Izzo would be 3rd. See my point?

^ gonna need to wait until 2 years from now to really judge. Next year is going to be rebuilding. We could be as good as we were this year but expecting anything more than that is pretty unrealistic...

[Edited on March 14, 2009 at 5:00 PM. Reason : x]

3/14/2009 5:00:13 PM

Well even though I am displeased with where our program is right now I still have hope on Sidney. I just don't understand the fans who want to see nothing but the worst for Sendek.

3/14/2009 5:01:32 PM

Winning at Clemson is no small feat. Even Barnes didn't have that much success there, but you have to admire the effort Clemson gives on the court, even if I hate them. I would take Purnell and his style any day over Herb.

3/14/2009 5:01:53 PM

nice to see that so many people are showing an interest in the program!

I hope ASU doesn't shit the bed tonight. Herb deserves a banner. his best banner so far is winning the conference with Miami (OH)

3/14/2009 5:26:41 PM

Pendergraph's uncle posts on devilsdigest and he said in NC they're doing some ACC Today show after the Duke game, highlighting the regular season

like a half hour special

my DTV tv guide says nothing about that...but it would suck to miss the first half due to a UNC/Wake suckfest

3/14/2009 5:40:46 PM

3/14/2009 5:45:13 PM

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"Even Barnes didn't have that much success there"

He was only there for four seasons, he finished fourth in his last two years, three NCAA trips and I think a sweet sixteen appearance.

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"I would take Purnell and his style any day over Herb."

I would take Greenberg over Purnell, I would take Doherty over Purnell, I would take my cat over Purnell

[Edited on March 14, 2009 at 5:56 PM. Reason : ]

3/14/2009 5:53:32 PM

I think the 'Herb hit his max' argument is pretty stupid. He may have had a bad last year, but overall his last 5 years, the program showed remarkable improvement. If he had another five years we'd probably be a very respected program and a perennial S16 / E8 contender. We get lucky in any of those, and we win it all.

No, he's not a Roy Williams or Coach K and he knew he wasn't either. Maybe that was his problem in that he didn't focus on those games or programs, which he probably knew he couldn't consistently win, and instead focused on the big picture. State fans are simple folk, and Herb was too complicated on and off the court. A red coat and prior history get us pumped, but talking about 'daylight compartments' or whatever the hell makes is wonder about a person's sanity.

Regardless, we've been absolute shit every year Sid has coached and we've hit rock bottom in the last two. Would I take a Top 4 ACC finish and NCAA Tournament over the shit we have right now? Absolutely.

3/14/2009 6:00:28 PM

thank God i just discovered user block

3/14/2009 6:10:28 PM

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"overall his last 5 years, the program showed remarkable improvement."

how do you figure?

3/14/2009 6:16:44 PM

come on, dammit! fucking ACC market


10-5 ASU at the under-16 TV timeout

3/14/2009 6:23:09 PM

Don't you have DTV? Isn't there an alternate or west coast CBS channel?

3/14/2009 6:29:30 PM

yeah but we don't get it

tied 17-17

3/14/2009 6:30:21 PM

what a pass

3/14/2009 6:34:59 PM

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"I think the 'Herb hit his max' argument is pretty stupid."

I guess we'll never know, since Sendek was too much of a pussy to stick around and find out

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"State fans are simple folk, and Herb was too complicated on and off the court"

bullshit...its about winning...if Herb had been able to win a few games in the ncaa tourney (in the same year), nobody would care if he went to carnegie mellon or anything else

[Edited on March 14, 2009 at 6:43 PM. Reason : .]

3/14/2009 6:38:10 PM

this is too good to be true

they're bound to cool off sooner or later

3/14/2009 6:45:21 PM

Here's some simple math:
NC State + Sendek= Tourney
NC State + Lowe= Doo Doo

3/14/2009 6:45:34 PM

nc states first 5 years with sendek = no ncaa tourney

3/14/2009 6:49:49 PM

It's well known that NC State was in the shitter when Sendek took it over, so yeah it took him 5 years to clean up the program and get some success. When Lowe took over this was a top 40 program.

3/14/2009 6:54:52 PM

Absolutely incredible defensive schemes by both coaches. Difference is the Sun Devils have James Harden and no one else does... probably one of the more impressive 3 point first halfs I've ever seen from a player...

3/14/2009 6:55:44 PM

He's so smooth

3/14/2009 6:58:20 PM

ASU basketball = Jekyll & Hyde


meaningless regular season game, don't make first FG til the 10 minute mark

championship game, drop 39 impressive points in the first half

3/14/2009 7:02:14 PM

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"nc states first 5 years with sendek = no ncaa tourney"

You claim to have supported Herb and then you say stupid things like this.

Was he supposed to make the NCAAs with Jeremy Hyatt as his star player?

3/14/2009 7:02:35 PM

So by your rationale, if Sidney Lowe is ever going to be a good college basketball coach, he's supposed to pick up right where Herb left off and have made the NCAA tourney the last 3 years

sounds equally retarded

and yeah i supported herb, go look at some old posts youngster

[Edited on March 14, 2009 at 7:11 PM. Reason : .]

3/14/2009 7:10:30 PM

game is a long way from being over. We lead Maryland by 19 at halftime of the championship game and ended up losing.

3/14/2009 7:13:19 PM

haha herb is dropping F bombs

3/14/2009 7:16:33 PM

ASU will lose this game

mark my words

3/14/2009 7:16:47 PM

No I'm saying that Lowe took over a program in much better shape than Herb did
^And no they won't, you thought they would lose yesterday and they did not. SC will make a run and then ASU will make a run late to pull away

[Edited on March 14, 2009 at 7:20 PM. Reason : ]

3/14/2009 7:18:00 PM

Since when are facts stupid? Herb didn't make the NCAAs the 1st 5 years he was at State, that's just a fact of life.

3/14/2009 7:19:36 PM