Quote :

"And he DID remember seeing the boy; he was lying to Sawyer."

I think they were just ribbing each other, basically. FLocke asked who Sawyer was talking to when it was clear he was talking to someone, and Sawyer said "no one." So when Sawyer asked about the boy, FLocke did the same thing and just said something along the lines of "what boy?"

2/18/2010 8:25:08 AM

Quote :

"smoke Locke not remembering seeing the boy immediately after the whole thing gave it away"

smokelocke not remembering the kid was obviously a lie. Can't believe you all missed that

2/18/2010 8:25:39 AM

^It's mambagirl. She probably thought that Fake Locke saying "What boy?" was a spoiler so she turned the tv off.

2/18/2010 8:48:09 AM

A few minutes before then Sawyer noted that he was nothing like Locke, so "showing he has some of Locke's traits" is pretty far fetched.

2/18/2010 8:55:58 AM

Sawyer also isn't the sharpest tool in the shed... I think that a being that is ancient has a little more intelligence than a hick con man

[Edited on February 18, 2010 at 9:02 AM. Reason : !]

2/18/2010 9:01:52 AM

What has Sawyer ever done that's made you think he's not intelligent? I think he's one of the smarter characters on the show.

2/18/2010 9:41:10 AM

ok well maybe i went a little overboard on classifying sawyer... but still MiB has shown the intelligence to trick/mislead/ect people into thinking what he wants them to think about himself so I really don't think that sawyer will/could in any way "outsmart" MiB

2/18/2010 9:44:00 AM

I actally think Sawyer ends up as the new Jacob on the island...

2/18/2010 9:53:53 AM

Quote :

"Sawyer also isn't the sharpest tool in the shed... I think that a being that is ancient has a little more intelligence than a hick con man"

I'm pretty sure that a guy who makes his living fooling others into believing he is someone he isn't and manipulating them can probably see the difference between fake Locke and the real Locke he knows so well.

2/18/2010 10:16:15 AM

Looking back in the episode when Richard visits Locke as a boy, do you now think that there is any additional significance to Richard denying Locke?

Seems odd to me that Richard denied him ~30 years before Jacob "touched" and accepted him. Richard may have then seen the compatibility between Smokey and Locke then tried to prevent the later manifestation. Jacob, however, may have brought Locke on anyway. He may have known all along what would happen and how it would play out for his benefit.

2/18/2010 11:44:08 AM

I thought the whole reason Richard went to see baby Locke was because adult Locke came to see him in the 50s and told him when he was gonna be born (as proof that he was a time traveler). Then Richard went back a few years later with the items to pick out (the compass among them) to see if there would be any significance.

2/18/2010 12:21:04 PM

I'd totally forgotten about the whole time-traveling deal. I've gotta refresh myself on the last season.

2/18/2010 12:53:33 PM

best episode of the season, might be my favorite of the series. I love Locke's character on the show - all incarnations of him.

A couple things:

I thought it was pretty cool that the chorus of the song playing when Locke was looking for Sawyer in his hosue kept saying "search and destroy", probably not a coincidence.

I kinda think the numbers and their association to the names on the ceiling are simply the order that they were written. For example, Ford was the 8th persons name written on the ceiling, etc. Seems like a simple way for the writers to answer the whole "numbers" question, but I could be wrong.

Quote :

"and sawyer probably gets out of the cave through another exit we haven't seen yet"

maybe under the tree where the smoke monster was "summoned" from before? Also, I think there were 3 ladders coming down the cliff, but I could be wrong.

2/21/2010 5:09:32 PM

I wonder if Kate wasn't presented on the cave ceiling as a candidate b/c she was approached by Jacob so early in her life. Besides Sawyer, they were the only ones as kids seen with Jacob. Everyone else (Hurley, Jack, Kwon's, Locke, and Sayid) were well into their adulthood.

2/21/2010 7:43:57 PM

the leader can't be a woman. thats why kate and sun aren't on there.

2/21/2010 11:29:04 PM

i thought that initially, but i'm pretty sure the names of a few women are on there but crossed out.

2/22/2010 12:04:40 AM

Quote :

"Sawyer also isn't the sharpest tool in the shed... I think that a being that is ancient has a little more intelligence than a hick con man"

That's interesting considering in season 2 ("The Long Con") he outsmarted Jack and everyone else on the island to take all the guns. Plus we've seen him reading more than any other character on the island. Doesn't seem dumb to me.

2/23/2010 2:55:52 PM

Quote :

"kinda think the numbers and their association to the names on the ceiling are simply the order that they were written."

Possible, I guess. But there were names from as far back as the 1950s sprinkled across the cave.

2/23/2010 3:00:08 PM

apparently littleton is on there and crossed out, but i guess it could be aaron

2/23/2010 3:01:58 PM

And that still doesn't explain why the numbers keep showing up all over the place.

2/23/2010 3:06:16 PM

Some decent incite on the upcoming episodes on here:

Possible spoilers http://tinyurl.com/yk78j5p

Its the last entry in the post



[Edited on February 23, 2010 at 3:36 PM. Reason : spoilers]

2/23/2010 3:35:09 PM

good job on mentioning the spoilers, would hate to incite a riot here.

2/23/2010 3:49:24 PM

Quote :

"And that still doesn't explain why the numbers keep showing up all over the place."

coincidences

2/23/2010 3:52:57 PM

Quote :

"kinda think the numbers and their association to the names on the ceiling are simply the order that they were written."

You think that's jacob's thing for numbers? writing them in order?

2/23/2010 3:57:13 PM

was that the appendix scar?


yup.

[Edited on February 23, 2010 at 9:02 PM. Reason : yup, she just said so]


I fucking love Hurley. "I just lied to a samurai."

[Edited on February 23, 2010 at 9:14 PM. Reason : ]

2/23/2010 9:02:12 PM

Quote :

"You think that's jacob's thing for numbers? writing them in order?"

His "thing for numbers" could just mean that he liked assigning numbers to things. Instead of just writing the names on the ceiling, he assigned a number to them as well. I dunno, I'm just looking for the simplest answer since it is pretty unlikely that the writers will explain Jacob's "thing for numbers"

2/23/2010 9:48:48 PM

when the wheel in the lighthouse went past 108, what was in the mirror? looked like some type of asian building, pagoda or something

2/23/2010 9:51:26 PM

another good episode. Feral Claire is insane

2/23/2010 10:08:46 PM

aha Feral Claire

2/23/2010 10:09:27 PM

I like how they tried to squelch the "why didnt we find the lighthouse already" questions through jack. unfortunately the answer was shitty even though they owned up to it.

2/23/2010 10:23:01 PM

i was really thinking that hurley was going to recognize 23 as one of the numbers, since he was the one that was obsessed with them early on

i thought he'd at least look at the number dial and recognize some other names

2/23/2010 10:26:16 PM

so the numbers have effectively been explained, then? it's pretty cool how (relatively) simple the explanation is.

2/23/2010 10:33:32 PM

Jack flash sideways was boring as dick

2/23/2010 10:42:42 PM

Everything always turns out for the best in the flash-sideways. I think that has some significance.

Also, this part cracked me up:

Quote :

""Sometimes you can just hop into the back of someone's cab and let them know what they have to do...And other times, you have to let them look out into the ocean for a little while."

2/23/2010 10:54:32 PM

So, now it seems clear that Sayid's "infection" isn't the MiB per se, since Claire seems to have been manipulated rather than bodysnatched by the MiB. Any ideas on what/how Sayid's infected?

2/23/2010 11:23:48 PM

Quote :

"Everything always turns out for the best in the flash-sideways. I think that has some significance. "

"It only has to work once. The rest is just progress?" Maybe things are how they should be, and Jacob is ready to close up shop?

2/23/2010 11:23:53 PM

so is the appendix mark island jack becoming intertwined with nonisland jack. kind of like the cuts on his neck on the plane? wtf is goign on with that?

2/23/2010 11:37:20 PM

the tic tac toe game was representative of Jacob and Nemesis playing the "game" over and over with no victor.

2/24/2010 12:14:25 AM

hurley was supposed to stop the mirror at 108... jack did not tell him when it reached 108 but here is what was in the mirror

http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/17193ac7cc2fda68b72289ae4edba4f1

2/24/2010 5:38:23 AM

I know why they didn't show it on the wheel, if that picture is indeed what was in the mirror when the wheel got to 108. 108 is either Sun or Jin, but we don't know which. Whoever is 108 is not one of the "numbers" and therefore is not a candidate. However, it's of course worth noting that 108 IS the sum of all the "numbers".

Speaking of Sun and Jin, I feel like they've been really underutilized this season. Not that I want the show to become a soap opera about Sun returning to Jin, but I feel like they've only addressed it once, and that was just in passing.

2/24/2010 7:23:57 AM

108 is not on the island. It could be Sun's father father and hey, he loves gold.

2/24/2010 8:11:02 AM

http://sepinwall.blogspot.com/2010/02/lost-lighthouse-classical-composition.html


very good rant and review of last night's episode. some highlights.

Quote :

"Here's the thing: I'm on record as saying I don't require answers to everything in this final season, so long as good stories are told. But in two out of these first four episodes, we've gotten no answers and flat stories. I know there are certain storytelling devices you just have to accept when you watch "Lost," like the way characters rarely seem to share information or don't ask good questions, but it was easier to accept that in the show's earlier days, when we knew Lindelof and Cuse (who got script credit for this episode, the show's Number-iffic 108th) had to stall because they didn't know how long they'd have to stretch things out for. But the finish line isn't just set; it's in sight, and now it feels particularly stupid that Jack apparently doesn't know any more about what happened to Claire than what Dogen told him at the end of "What Kate Does," and maddening that the island's movers and shakers still feel the need to manipulate our heroes through misleading or purposely vague instructions. Watching Jack smash the lighthouse's mirrors, and recognizing that this is exactly what Jacob must have intended when he told Hurley to bring Jack along, reminded me once again of Ben's overly-convoluted plan to get Jack into performing spinal surgery on him. Back in the middle of season 3, I asked Lindelof why Ben required such a ridiculous scheme when he could have walked up to the castaways' beach on, like, day 5 and offered them shelter and food (let alone a trip home on the Dharma sub) in exchange for some tumor removal. Lindelof countered that "that version is considerably less intriguing for a mystery show." The problem is that if that's the only reason things are vague and overly-complicated - if it doesn't come from the characters, or the needs of the story, but from an external need to maintain an air of mystery - then it doesn't work. It's obvious and distracting and irritating, especially this late in the game, when there's no damn excuse for it. Don't build an entire hour around our characters once again being led around by the nose, following some plan they don't much understand, getting vague promises of more information down the road. Because that damn sure isn't compelling drama. The return of Smokey (or insert your own fake nickname here)means things can only get better next week. And they'd better. I didn't want to believe the complaints of the last two weeks that Team Darlton was under some sort of obligation to write the series differently because we're in the final season. But I see it now, and I'm starting to get impatient waiting for things to either get in gear, or just get more entertaining. 'Cause when Terry O'Quinn and/or Josh Hollway aren't around, things are dragging - far more than they should at this stage in the series' lifespan. Some other thoughts: • Sayid's accent remains decidedly more British post-resurrection. I have to assume this is deliberate, and not just Naveen Andrews getting a little sloppy, because sooner or later someone would correct him. Hurley's time travel comments, by the way, for some reason made me think of the kayak shootout from last season when Sawyer and company kept skipping through eras. Is that the only bit of time travel from that season that never got entirely explained (i.e., we never found out who was in the other boat)? And, if so, do you think we'll ever find out the answer, or is that one of those minor loose threads we just have to accept won't get tied up? "

2/24/2010 8:12:54 AM

what if 108 is Ji Yeon

2/24/2010 8:26:34 AM

108 is no one important

2/24/2010 8:31:30 AM

Quote :

"Jacob hasn't just been watching Jack, but all of his contenders. And there were more names tonight: Almeida (homage to 24?), Cruz, Linus (a k a Benjamin) and Rodriguez (a k a Ana-Lucia's real-life last name) all were spotted on the lighthouse wheel, and crossed out. But guess whose name was not crossed out? Number 51: Kate Austen! Yep, she is on the list, people. Just not one of the numbers that add up to 108."

[Edited on February 24, 2010 at 8:58 AM. Reason : ac]

2/24/2010 8:32:41 AM

^^agree. From L&GF

Quote :

"In case you were wondering, 108 on the wheel was a crossed out name of "Wallace"... which I can only assume means Braveheart himself, William Wallace. Actually, this probably confirms that Jacob was simply using the Lighthouse mission as a ploy to get Hurley and Jack away from the Temple - and that there isn't anyone else coming to the Island."

2/24/2010 9:06:29 AM

Quote :

"108 is either Sun or Jin, but we don't know which."

It showed "Kwon" next to I think 42 on the dial and considering that both Jin and Sun are both on the island already, I doubt they would need to be led to the island. Also, the name "Linus" is on 117 and it looks like there is a name on 56 that isn't crossed out, but I can't read it from the screen shots. It looks like Rousseau is the name on 20.

To whoever said it could be Sun's father or whatever, he would have the name Paik, not Kwon.

[Edited on February 24, 2010 at 9:32 AM. Reason : ]

2/24/2010 9:19:47 AM

Smokey uses Smoke and Jacob uses mirrors. It's all smoke and mirrors.

lawl

2/24/2010 10:21:54 AM

http://instantrimshot.com/

2/24/2010 10:43:53 AM

Pretty interesting to see everyone who was on the list:

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Candidates

2/24/2010 11:30:12 AM