17 more years without ACC Championship

11/6/2010 4:08:45 PM

How the fuck did we beat FSU?

11/6/2010 4:09:27 PM

41 points in the final 3 quarters by VT does not equal "a handful of plays"

11/6/2010 4:13:47 PM

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"41 points in the final 3 quarters by VT does not equal "a handful of plays""

Sure it does, I thought we were talking hypothetical. VT scored twice in the final 90 seconds. if RW threw a TD instead of an interception in the endzone, that could have made all the difference.

[Edited on November 6, 2010 at 4:15 PM. Reason : ]

11/6/2010 4:13:58 PM

meh, still that's 27 points we gave up. 30 points should be enough to win

[Edited on November 6, 2010 at 4:32 PM. Reason : .]

11/6/2010 4:30:28 PM

ATTN: NCSU football coaches:

11/6/2010 4:31:35 PM

TOB should be given an ultimatum -- hire better coordinators or get fired.

We can't put teams away because our coordinators play to lose.

Rules for being a good coach

- avoid the other team's strengths
- give the ball to your best players
- be creative in getting the ball to your best players
- stick with what is working until the other team stops it
- stop doing what doesn't work
- put the game in the hands of your best unit (Offense, in our case. Our defense sucks balls in the 4th quarter. Any team can march right down the field on it.)

11/6/2010 5:06:36 PM

Fans before the season: "Throwaway year. Filler for basketball. 3-4 wins max. We gonna get raped."

Fans Now: "NOT IN DRIVER'S SEAT FOR ACC CHAMPIONSHIP! FIRE TOB!"

11/6/2010 5:12:56 PM

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" the final 3 quarters"

11/6/2010 5:16:09 PM

you all need tp shut the fuck up

the coaches didnt kick a 4 yard punt

shit happens

its still a good season

seriously

all of you dont know shit

shut the fuck up

11/6/2010 5:17:16 PM

^

11/6/2010 5:17:28 PM

the problem is that they called for the punt. in no way was that the right call. no fucking way.

11/6/2010 5:18:08 PM

i hate when people get high and mighty against people that criticize the coaching staff

on no planet was that punt, at that point in the game, a good call.

11/6/2010 5:21:03 PM

On the planet where we have a good defense and good special teams. So, not this one

11/6/2010 5:22:21 PM

^this.

11/6/2010 5:25:39 PM

I

[Edited on November 6, 2010 at 5:55 PM. Reason : fuck it]

11/6/2010 5:55:12 PM

gutless call by tob, imo. the best offense in the league should be able to get 1 freaking yard. with the way our d had played, i could MAYBE understand punting IF we were at home. being on the road, you gotta go for it.
then again, if you would've told me in august that we'd be 6-3 at this point, i woulda been thrilled.
meh, what are you going to do, it's the life of an nc state fan. i've been dealing with it for 30 years.

11/7/2010 3:11:50 AM

cant believe any of you support punting it...forget if the punt is 50 yd or 5 yd.

we hadnt really stopped those bullshit screens and plays where they got 3 yds every time.

clemson stopped themselves...so if they got the ball and we burned our 3 time outs then got a first down it would have been over.

so why not attempt to go for it...worst comes to worst they get the ball at the 40...not like they were gonna kick a field.

i just cant believe how he didnt even think about it...he was screaming at the team lets go when clearly they were like WTF, we're not going for it?

11/7/2010 8:33:22 AM

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"Sure, you can look at this way...and you can also sy: if handful of plays went our way, we'd have beaten vt and ecu... and clemson"

Yeah, but those games the turning point didn't come in the very last second because of a fumble due to a slight misalignment during a play action pass

11/8/2010 8:22:45 AM

Let's be real here, our offense was shit that game. If we had gone for it and didn't get it, most of you bitches would have been complaining we didn't punt. I wish we had gone for it but I'm really not all that upset about it. I'm more upset about the poor execution that really lost the game for us. We should have been up 24-0 at the half.

11/8/2010 8:55:24 AM

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"If we had gone for it and didn't get it, most of you bitches would have been complaining we didn't punt."

Nope...not at all. Either way Clemson gets the ball but with going for it you at least have a chance to keep the ball. Stupid call no matter how it turned out.

11/8/2010 11:00:33 AM

maybe you wouldn't have, but you know our fanbase, there would have been people bitching he didn't punt. Coaches are damned if you do, damned if you don't here.

11/8/2010 11:06:23 AM

Its the same as the 4th down call to go for it against Florida State where we scored the TD. If we go for that and dont get it I will respect the call and accept the loss. If we kick the FG and FSU drives and kicks a game winning FG which its obvious they would have, then I'm upset with the call. Same here if they go on 4th and dont get it I accept the loss as ugly as it was and say hey they made the right call we just didnt execute.

11/8/2010 11:43:22 AM

everyone bitching about the punt needs to shut up. TOB's plan with the punt worked perfectly. We used our timeouts early (also worked perfectly) and our defense held Clemson to a punt (worked perfectly) and we had the ball with 3:00+ to pass down the field and score.


The play calling is where TOB's plan fucked up, and that's because he's been taking cues from DANA BIBLE for entirely too long.

11/8/2010 1:21:43 PM

^ yea that cue from Dana Bible to go for it on fourth and goal against Florida State for the game winning touchdown was horrible and fucked up

11/8/2010 1:23:13 PM

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"TOB's plan with the punt worked perfectly"

Other than the 4 yard punt. I actually agree in retrospect with what TOB was doing. Get a good punt, pin them inside the 20, get a three and out, get the ball back around your own 40-45, needing about 30 yards to get in FG range. If the punter had done his job, we might have won. Oh the fuck well, we are still 6-3 and control our own destiny to make the Orange Bowl. I'll take it.

11/8/2010 1:26:44 PM

^^ Hey, even your dumb ass could get a call right every now and then. You have to look at the whole body of work.

11/8/2010 1:30:44 PM

wrong call, imo. It was 4th and 1, not 4th and 4. IF you dont think your O can get one yard, what makes you think they can get 30-40?

Same with FSU, TOB instinct was to kick... everyone in the stadium knew it was going to cost us the game if we kick there...glad our OC talked him out of it.

11/8/2010 1:50:58 PM

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"Fans before the season: "Throwaway year. Filler for basketball. 3-4 wins max. We gonna get raped." Fans Now: "NOT IN DRIVER'S SEAT FOR ACC CHAMPIONSHIP! FIRE TOB!""

11/8/2010 1:52:37 PM

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"IF you dont think your O can get one yard, what makes you think they can get 30-40?"

UGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

11/8/2010 1:53:12 PM

Punt was a pussyfoot move any way you slice it. Had John Fox written all over it.

11/8/2010 2:22:45 PM

He was on 99.9 today talking about his rationalization for kicking. Honestly, it wasn't a bad call (the punt just fucked us over). Basically,

The Tigers rushed for 8 yards the whole third quarter. TOB knew his boys could hold them if they were down near their endzone, where they would run.

If that worked, the tigers would be punting from their endzone, which usually lends itself to shorter punts than otherwise, leaving us the ball on the 50 ish at worst and making us only need a couple first downs to get into field goal range and win it.

FOUR YARD PUNT aside, the plan worked well, we got the ball with lots of time, and we just didn't execute (two dropped passes for a first down and two broken plays is not a bad coaches decision, it's poor execution by your team)

11/8/2010 2:35:10 PM

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"Honestly, it wasn't a bad call"

yes, it was

11/8/2010 2:40:53 PM

roll wilson out and bring your all acc TE with him to give him a run/throw option. gain your one yard then you only need to gain 15 freaking yards and you win the game.

i almost always think coaches play it too conservative in those situations but when you haven't moved the ball all day and are sitting 15 yards from a win, you have to just go for it

(15 yards = field goal range)

[Edited on November 8, 2010 at 2:41 PM. Reason : 1]

11/8/2010 2:41:01 PM

Let it go people.

11/8/2010 2:42:58 PM

^^ And who's to say that Clemson doesn't throw down the field with the 4 minutes or so they have left and beat us at that point? TOB was playing a much more thorough game of chess than you, both accounting for the clock time AND taking into account that Clemson hadn't run well all game.

It's only a bad call because the punt was horrible, not by virtue of being bad.

[Edited on November 8, 2010 at 2:43 PM. Reason : ^We'll let it go next Saturday, you shut up]

11/8/2010 2:43:15 PM

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"so we were playing for a FG with no kicker? I dont think that call could get any worse, but it just did"

Anyway, with that 99.9 rationale, I feel a little better about the decision. That or my headache is affecting my thought process right now

[Edited on November 8, 2010 at 3:03 PM. Reason : ugh]

11/8/2010 3:00:29 PM

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"It's only a bad call because the punt was horrible, not by virtue of being bad. "

Epic No. If we can not have enough faith in our offense for one fucking yard than we should have bent over from the start and given the game to Clemson. If nothing else i would rather state's fate rest in our hands not on the hope to force a 3 and out after coffin punting Clemson to the 10 yard line.

11/8/2010 5:19:13 PM

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"If we can not have enough faith in our offense for one fucking yard than we should have bent over from the start and given the game to Clemson."

This is so fucking illogical

11/8/2010 5:21:06 PM

no its spot on

11/8/2010 5:24:02 PM

Because 4th and short is automatic? Clemson's d-line destroyed us all game -- we had five yards on the ground in the fourth. TOB doubted that we could pick up the first, so he gave us what should have been a higher chance at a field goal had we not gotten fucked on the punt.

Not having confidence in your offense for one situation is not the same as packing it in. If anything, he called for the exact opposite of packing it in: he tried to put us in the best position to win. And it probably would have worked if not for a bad bounce and bad offensive playcalling.

11/8/2010 5:30:51 PM

worst case clemson has the ball on there own 40 yard line. Either way one first down and they can wittle the clock down, point the ball deep into our territory and say good luck

11/8/2010 5:49:49 PM

not to mention clempson did a better job of stopping themselves in the game than we did and there was almost no reason to think we'd hold them to a 3 and out.

11/8/2010 5:55:06 PM

Uh

Not to mention we had done a shit job converting third and fourth down and running the fucking ball in general and getting Wilson outside the pocket

So there's no reason to think we'd be able to convert that fourth down

[Edited on November 8, 2010 at 5:58 PM. Reason : That's my last post, TOB and Ernie and rflong 4 life]

11/8/2010 5:58:00 PM

Not to mention that Czajkowski was hurt at that point and we prob wouldn't be wanting to try a long fg with whoever the 2nd string kicker was.

11/8/2010 6:02:43 PM

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"there was almost no reason to think we'd hold them to a 3 and out."

Yes there is, read the god damn thread. They rushed for a season low against our defense, and for single digits in the fourth quarter. They are a run first defense, so if the punt can pin them near the endzone, they're going to try to run out. We are going to stop them (again), and kicking from their own endzone is going to give us pretty decent field position WITH more clock AND with the game in our hands to score for the lead and leave Clemson with no time on the clock to come back.


Pay attention, make smarter comments, gtfo

11/9/2010 11:38:53 AM

The punt became a non issue once we got the ball back with 3:00. Well a non-issue provided a terrible offense can somehow manage get back to the original field position that they punted from.

People gave TOB hell over the decision to punt but I'm more upset with all those wasted downs where we tried to run it up the middle and failed. Sure, you've got to burn some downs to test the middle, but once you know it doesn't work...

11/9/2010 12:08:58 PM

^^ how many times did we force a 3 and out in the 2nd half? Only 1. When they didn't fumble or miss a field goal, they scored. And even if we get off a good punt, we're still probably in better field position at the 42 on 4th and 1 than we would be when we got the ball back. Shouldn't have come to a 4th and 1 call anyways but that's just more nc state shit.

[Edited on November 9, 2010 at 12:27 PM. Reason : ]

11/9/2010 12:20:11 PM

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"RUN FIRST DEFENSE"

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"Pay attention, make smarter comments, gtfo"

11/9/2010 12:25:17 PM

I honestly cant remember the last time I have heard so much controversy over an NC State call. Despite what someone else stated, had he gone for it, and we had NOT made the conversion, I seriously doubt we would hear 10% of complaints from that call, than what we hear now. We'd be more pissed at sloppy play, than any single coaching decision.

11/9/2010 12:45:14 PM