1. Oregon 2. FSU 3. Bama 4. Miss St.

Predicting the committee ..

11/15/2014 11:56:59 PM

They SHOULD put Bama higher. Just beat the #1 team in the nation, whereas Florida State barely beat an unranked team.

11/16/2014 12:03:04 AM

FSU also barely won the national championship game against auburn

11/16/2014 12:04:54 AM

Mississippi State finished 7-6 last year. The Auburn team that FSU barely beat went 3-9 the year before. What does last year have to do with anything?

The rankings should be based on what teams have done this season, and FSU isn't a top 10 team, let alone top 4.

11/16/2014 1:18:44 AM

Mississippi State hasn't beat anyone either.

Bama's only good win is Miss St., who hasn't beat anyone. And that Ole miss loss isn't looking so hot these days.

11/16/2014 2:08:28 AM

Shit, Ole Miss is still in the mix... at least for the SEC Championship.

IF Auburn beats Bama and Ole Miss beats MSU, they win the SEC West.

11/16/2014 2:15:48 AM

^^lol at Mississippi State not beating anyone

11/16/2014 2:24:04 AM

The SEC West is rediculous this year. Those wins aren't diminished simply because teams in the SEC beat up on each other.

11/16/2014 7:56:43 AM

At this point I'm not sure who the best team in the nation is. No team looks dominant.

Bama is beatable, and in a rematch with Miss St, I think it would be close. FSU looks beatable every game, but finds a way to win. Reminds me of some Ohio State teams of old.

I think it's going to come down to a little bit of luck at the end of the season and who doesn't lose. A loss in the next couple weeks would be detrimental to anyone's playoff hopes.

As of now, I'd have to put Oregon, FSU, Bama, and Miss St. in the playoffs.. Not necessarily in that order, but those 4 teams.

11/16/2014 9:22:42 AM

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"A loss in the next couple weeks would be detrimental to anyone's playoff hopes."

you don't say?

11/16/2014 9:31:31 AM

Can we quit calling wins over Texas A&M and LSU great wins now?

I think you gotta move Bama to #1. Oregon and FSU probably hold steady at 2, 3. And I'd go Miss St 4.

FSU absolutely deserves to be in the top 4 at this point. Until they lose, you can't take em out. But lol at still arguing FSU hasn't beaten anybody good while people still trot out examples of Texas A&M and LSU as being such good wins for Alabama.


[Edited on November 16, 2014 at 9:48 AM. Reason : f]

11/16/2014 9:46:00 AM

So LSU and Texas A&M lose, no longer good wins.

Clemson and Notre Dame lose, FSU def. top 4 team?

Hypocrite? You can't devalue one while boosting the other on the day when FSU's arguably 2 best wins both lose, Clemson crushed and Notre Dame to NW?

11/16/2014 9:52:08 AM

^No, it's not just because LSU and A&M lost yesterday, those teams were overrated before yesterday. But it doesn't make sense to me that folks are so quick to discount wins over Clemson and Notre Dame while hyping up wins over LSU and A&M. My point was, a win over A&M should not have ever been a "good win"...I said that yesterday in this thread before they lost. The win over LSU is solid...especially on the road. But LSU isn't as good as their ranking suggested. IMO, beating Louisville on the road is somewhat comparable to beating LSU on the road. I don't think LSU is significantly better than Louisville.

And yes...ND continuing to lose doesn't help FSU's case either. However, FSU hasn't lost a game all year. Until they do you can't take them out of the top 4. FSU absolutely has a horseshoe stuck up their ass. But they keep winning. So you can't drop them from the playoff, IMO


[Edited on November 16, 2014 at 10:21 AM. Reason : cant spell]

11/16/2014 10:16:54 AM

That's cool I'm assuming you got Marshall in your top 4 too right?

11/16/2014 10:31:48 AM

Who are you putting in over FSU? Ohio State, who lost to VT? I guess you could make the case for TCU, whose only loss is to a really good Baylor team. But ya know...they still lost.

11/16/2014 10:41:21 AM

Yes, OSU's loss to VT is ugly and is only looking worse each over time. But Ohio State has improved tremendously and is playing as good as just about anyone else in the country. I'd have a top 4 of Bama, FSU (despite their best efforts), Oregon, and probably TCU.

11/16/2014 11:21:29 AM

^Yeah Ohio St is actually playing really well...and that VT loss was so early in the year, they may be able to overcome that to make the playoff. And I can't disagree with your top 4. I think the argument could be made for Miss St over TCU, but both have strong cases I think. Miss St's resume is not near as strong as it looked earlier in the year. But if they win out, I think they'll be fine.

UF fires Muschamp by the way

[Edited on November 16, 2014 at 11:26 AM. Reason : d]

11/16/2014 11:25:57 AM

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"IMO, beating Louisville on the road is somewhat comparable to beating LSU on the road. I don't think LSU is significantly better than Louisville."

please don't compare a night game in Death Valley to playing at Papa John's Stadium

11/16/2014 11:29:43 AM

If Kansas state loses to WVU then suddenly TCU and Baylor have no impressive wins. Somehow TCU is #4 though because it seems like every team they played was overrated when they played them so they have beaten a bunch of top teams who aren't even ranked anymore. They lost to Baylor but are aheadd of them for that.

Nobodys talking about this but i think arkansas could beat mizzou and if goergia destroys georgia tech and alabama, then they deserve to be in as SEC champ with Tod Gurley. Or do you punish them for Gurley being an idiot?

Ohio State is just in the way at this point, they have no business in this but it looks like they might slide their way in to #4. Why do you guys think they are better than florida state?

When did winning close become worse than losing?

11/16/2014 11:32:06 AM

Can we hire Muschamp as a D coordinator?

11/16/2014 11:41:32 AM

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"please don't compare a night game in Death Valley to playing at Papa John's Stadium"

Didn't mean to compare the atmospheres. Obviously @LSU is a much tougher atmosphere. LSU is not a significantly better team than Louisville.

^I wish, but Muschamp would probably have his choice of about any DC job in the nation

[Edited on November 16, 2014 at 11:44 AM. Reason : d]

11/16/2014 11:43:10 AM

no team that lets NC State score 41 points on them is a national championship caliber team

Florida State's best wins this year are to a few teams that all have 3 losses. Maybe they should be in the top-4 because they haven't lost since like 2013 but they're not nearly as good as they were last year

[Edited on November 16, 2014 at 11:53 AM. Reason : .]

11/16/2014 11:52:07 AM

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"Maybe they should be in the top-4 because they haven't lost since like 2013 but they're not nearly as good as they were last year"

That's exactly what I'm saying. I don't see how you can justify dropping them from the top 4. I'm not lobbying for them to be #1 or anything.

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"Florida State's best wins this year are to a few teams that all have 3 losses."

Same goes for Miss St...plus they've lost a game.

11/16/2014 11:58:18 AM

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"Those wins aren't diminished simply because teams in the SEC beat up on each other."

Of course they are. College fball teams don't play real OOC schedules, so you can only judge them by conf record.

11/16/2014 12:11:41 PM

You can also judge them by watching them. A team like Alabama, who apparently hasn't beaten anyone, has a roster loaded with elite talent. If you watch them play, you can tell how good they are. If you watch a team like Notre Dame play, you can tell how good they aren't.

11/16/2014 12:15:37 PM

I watched Bama struggle against Arkansas and LSU and lose to an Ole Miss team that has beaten nobody else

Quote :

"Or do you punish them for Gurley being an idiot?"

if you punish teams like Clemson for injuries, you have to punish Georgia for suspensions. They got killed Florida, for gods sake

11/16/2014 12:45:24 PM

I watched Florida State do more than struggle against NC FUCKING STATE

11/16/2014 12:48:14 PM

Only a national championship caliber team could make the comebacks they have made. They've been down by 3 scores in 3 different games and just turned it on like it was nothing to score over and over on offense while completely, suddenly shutting down the other team down the stretch. Thats very impressive.

Also, Cutcliff to Florida.

11/16/2014 12:50:43 PM

FSU beat us 49-17 after that 1st Q.

Arkansas, who gave Alabama a much closer game, hadn't won an SEC game in 2 years...an NC State like streak.

11/16/2014 12:51:29 PM

we get mad about having to play Clemson and FSU every year

they have to play Bama, LSU, A&M, Auburn etc every year

[Edited on November 16, 2014 at 12:55 PM. Reason : mad =! made]

11/16/2014 12:54:50 PM

don't forget Louisville. pretty much the same as lsu amirite?

11/16/2014 12:55:59 PM

Louisville would get waxed by Wisconsin and Ole Miss

and LSU is having a down year. Louisville is finally playing in a semi-real conference and it's showing

[Edited on November 16, 2014 at 1:02 PM. Reason : .]

11/16/2014 12:59:48 PM

The SEC is definitely way better than the ACC. But Arkansas is still not a good team. Why does Bama get a pass for barely beating them, while FSU doesn't get a pass for close games vs NC State and Louisville (both of which FSU won by double digits)

Is it because Alabama's defense is better and didn't let Bama get down big early...even if FSU did win those games going away.

[Edited on November 16, 2014 at 1:14 PM. Reason : f]

11/16/2014 1:10:06 PM

Because the SEC is significantly better than the ACC, and Big 10 for that matter. Arkansa would be a top 3-4 team in any other conference. Watch the games, the level of play in the SEC is just superior and I am not punishing the conference because they have more functional teams than other conferences and beat up on each other. There are less freebies in the SEC than any other conference.

My personal list right now would be 'Bama, Oregon, Miss St., TCU followed by FSU then Baylor then tOSU.

11/16/2014 4:52:18 PM

Hell if you just put Duke into the Atlantic division they would have 3 guaranteed losses: FSU, Clemson and Louisville (although GTech has me scratching my head in that Clemson win, classic Clemsoning). The biggest win they have is Georgia Tech...

I find it sad the best football school in NC right now is ECU and there is no argument there.



[Edited on November 16, 2014 at 5:08 PM. Reason : _]

11/16/2014 5:08:04 PM

no one outside NC gives a damn about who's the best team in NC unless that team is undefeated.

speaking of undefeated as long as the reigning National Champion are undefeated they are going to be top 4. just reality.

11/16/2014 5:15:51 PM

except for the fact that it's Duke, not ECU

11/16/2014 5:16:11 PM

lol at ECU being the best team in the state.

You must've quit watching after they beat VT and UNC this year

[Edited on November 16, 2014 at 5:41 PM. Reason : cant spell]

11/16/2014 5:19:26 PM

I did stop watching (entire game) ECU after they played SMU, shit I didn't realize they had dropped their last 2 games.

Oh well, the fact is Duke has the weakest schedule of anyone in the ACC, but I guess they are the best in NC now.. fuck ECU, I was actually pulling for them, but missed their last two.




[Edited on November 16, 2014 at 5:35 PM. Reason : _]

11/16/2014 5:34:17 PM

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"I watched Bama struggle against Arkansas and LSU and lose to an Ole Miss team that has beaten nobody else"

qft

11/16/2014 6:37:02 PM

Ok so honest question, what are the good wins this year? What counts as "beating somebody?"

As the season goes on teams are going to lose games. It happens. If we eliminate LSU, Ole Miss, Texas A&M as "quality wins", guessing now you might as well throw Auburn in there since they lost another game, including to Texas A&M who we've established isn't good, Arizona St. must stink now too, which negatively affects UCLA's win over Arizona St. leaving UCLA as less of a quality win for Oregon now who has a good win over a Michigan St. team who just lost to an Ohio St. team who def has no quality wins other than Michigan St. but because Michigan St. only had a quality win against Nebraska who just gave up a quarter mile in rushing yards that win doesn't look very good anymore for Mich St. Does that leave the best win Baylor over a TCU team who lost to WVU who just lost to Texas, but TCU did beat Kansas St. which looks like a good win except Kansas St. has technically "beaten nobody" and lost to Auburn who we've previously established is no longer any good since they just lost to a UGA team who lost to Florida who is firing their coach. 'Bama did beat Miss St. though, but their best wins are against Texas A&M, Auburn, and LSU and we've established those teams are bad because of course Texas A&M, Auburn, and LSU all lost on the same day against "nobodies" meaning that Miss. St. was highly overrated and has NO quality wins because beating those 3 teams in a row looked good at the time but is now less impressive, so that hurts 'Bama cause for having beaten "somebody."

That leaves Florida St. We thought they had good wins against Notre Dame and Clemson but those two teams just laid eggs this weekend against teams that aren't especially good unless we are considering a Georgia Tech team that lost to Duke and UNC good? Don't think so, so that hurts Clemson who it took OT as a quality win and we'll throw always over-ranked Notre Dame out after failing to beat a school that is known more for reporting sports than playing them, and so maybe Miami is FSU's best win, but they have lost to Georgia Tech and Nebraska and if you scroll back up we remember Nebraska the team that can't tackle and Georgia Tech the team that can't beat teams from North Carolina where ECU is the best team in the state(at least if you scroll a few posts up). So perhaps it is Louisville that is FSU's best win but they have lost to Clemson who lost to GT and they lost to Virginia who is 2-4 in the ACC and that is all that really needs to be said about that.

Clearly Marshall is the best team going IMO.

11/16/2014 8:59:35 PM

It's not that beating LSU and Aubrun shouldn't count for anything. Those are good teams. A few recent losses don't make those teams bad. But now, in retrospect, those wins that seemed so season-defining at the time are less impressive. But people wanna use a win over a decent LSU team on the road as an indicator that a team is great and deserves to be ranked ahead of another team. And in the same breath, will say FSU is not good because they had to come back to beat Clemson or Notre Dame or whoever. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Oh man, Bama won at LSU they're great! Dang, FSU barely won at home vs Notre Dame, they suck!

But yes, as a season grinds on and teams we thought were good start losing, it really changes how you look at strength of schedule and stuff. Remember when A&M destroyed a then top 10 South Carolina team? That game and the reactions are pretty funny in hindsight. SC is not good. A&M is just decent. And the result of that game is completely meaningless, but at the time we didn't think that. I don't think you can outright say "well that win against Auburn (or whoever) now means nothing"...but you do have to take into account that maybe Auburn isn't as good as we originally thought they were. And I guess we all maybe have a closer eye on this stuff this year with it being the first year of the playoff and playoff committee.

I also think people easily get caught up in the SEC...which is a great conference, it really is by far the best conference. It just seems like if an SEC team grinds a close win over a decent opponent it gets lauded as a great accomplishment. When FSU goes down early, only to storm back and win against a decent opponent people talk about how FSU got lucky and will be exposed against better teams...even though they just keep winning.

11/16/2014 9:38:35 PM

I like how people say A&M sucks, because they lost to Missouri, and 3 of the best teams in the country

^^lol. quality post.



[Edited on November 16, 2014 at 10:10 PM. Reason : .]

11/16/2014 10:05:10 PM

The discussion isn't if FSU is good or not, it is if they are a top 4 team. Beating LSU on the road is not comparable to beating Miami on the road. I happen to think the SEC is top to bottom basically in another league, especially compared to the ACC. FSU should be rolling through teams, not in a battle every single week. I also don't buy this, "they are the defending champ," thing. What you do last year shouldn't matter for this year. If the best thing you have going for you is awards and championships from last season, than you haven't proven enough.

11/16/2014 10:06:49 PM

The long post really shows the value of being undefeated and beating all the teams you play. There is no way an unbeaten p5 team should ever be behind a team with a loss.

11/16/2014 10:08:49 PM

dog, TAM doesn't suck because they lost to good teams.

they suck because they lost 59-0 at home.

no even decent team loses that badly.

oh, and they were losing 48-17 to MSU before getting 2 garbage time TD's in the final 149 seconds. and were losing 35-7 with 9 mins left before a couple late scores vs. ole miss. and lets not forget ULM shutting them out in the 2nd half of that squeaker against the 4th worst sun belt team

TAM is hot garbage

[Edited on November 16, 2014 at 10:14 PM. Reason : .]

11/16/2014 10:10:04 PM

And I don't think anybody is saying FSU isn't good. I just don't think they're one of the top 5 teams in the country. The MIGHT be a top-10 team. That doesn't mean they suck or are bad, it just means I don't think they're elite. I don't understand why people want to act like they're an elite team simply based off what they did last year. Last year they were blowing out every team they faced (except Boston College, and of course Auburn) for 4 quarters. This year they're struggling with teams like NC State. They're not the team they were last year.

[Edited on November 16, 2014 at 10:11 PM. Reason : ^^^yep]

^that's an outlier though. Bama had lost to Ole Miss, then "only" beaten Arkansas 14-13. Saban lit a fire and they played to their potential. Bama playing to their full potential would beat FSU by 3 TDs

[Edited on November 16, 2014 at 10:13 PM. Reason : .]

11/16/2014 10:11:18 PM

Well Texas A&M did beat Auburn, who beat Ole Miss, who beat Alabama, who just beat Miss. St., who beat Auburn, who beat Ole Miss, who beat Alabama, who beat Miss. St., who beat ....

11/16/2014 10:13:16 PM

lol outlier. GTFO

and fuck your full potential argument. if FSU played to their "full potential" while bama played like they did against say, LSU, tennessee, arkansas, or ole miss, then FSU could do the same thing. the caveat cuts both ways

we could try and do a SEC circle of suck, but Vandy can't beat anyone

[Edited on November 16, 2014 at 10:19 PM. Reason : .]

11/16/2014 10:16:08 PM

A&M was down 45-0 to Alabama after one half

FSU was down 24-7 to NC State after one quarter

do you see the difference?

NC State. Alabama. Football.

[Edited on November 16, 2014 at 10:22 PM. Reason : .]

11/16/2014 10:20:40 PM