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# of losses in Sid's first 2.5 years as an NBA head coach

[Edited on February 12, 2010 at 2:30 PM. Reason : 228 overall]

2/12/2010 2:21:07 PM

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"Again no factual response boozie? I wish I could say I was surprised. Your ineffectual commentary really highlights the weakness of your arguments. I've called you out repeatedly on this and you still can't come up with anything?"

You are too fucking dumb to argue with. Just stop.

All you can come up with for Virginia Tech is that we couldn't get open shots and make them.

Please stop acting like you know ball.

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"1. Our best player was sick (throwing up before the game and during halftime). 2. Our other low post threat was injured in warmup and couldn't play more than a couple minutes. 3. Our guards could not hit an outside shot to save their lives. Given these facts are you surprised that we lost?"

Ok so IF we somehow beat UNC Saturday, they can argue:
1) Their best player Ed Davis is OUT not sick
2) Their tallest post presence Zeller is OUT not hurt
3) Another post man Wear is OUT no hurt

But after Roy beats our ass, I am sure you will still have excuses for us losing. We haven't had a major injury this year which is surprising as hell. Lowe has no excuses. Don't give me young either because he starts 2 seniors and 2 juniors which is a helluva lot more than Roy can say since you love to bring up the Roy argument which has no meaning to begin with.


[Edited on February 12, 2010 at 2:52 PM. Reason : There you go, digest that stupid ass]

[Edited on February 12, 2010 at 2:53 PM. Reason : 3 big men OUT no hurt or bruised egos]

2/12/2010 2:49:04 PM

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"You are too fucking dumb to argue with. Just stop."

The irony.... the irony.

2/12/2010 2:56:37 PM

there won't be many excuses for Sidney if we somehow lose tomorrow. Tracy should have 50 points

2/12/2010 2:59:14 PM

^^Yeah I don't know basketball.



[Edited on February 12, 2010 at 3:05 PM. Reason : Of all the pro-Lowe defenders adder is the only one who doesn't know the game]

2/12/2010 3:03:51 PM

UNC still has what... 5 more McDonalds All-Americans? 4?

2/12/2010 3:05:49 PM

[Edited on February 12, 2010 at 3:06 PM. Reason : lol nm]

2/12/2010 3:05:56 PM

^^they have 7 on the roster this year...that includes Davis, Zeller and Travis Wear...so yeah they still have 4 McDs AAs to our ZERO

And without looking it up to verify, I'd imagine the only other team that might have more than 4 AAs is Duke

hence peoples argument that Roy is coaching even worse than Sid this year...basically the same record, but a lot more talent coming out of high school

[Edited on February 12, 2010 at 3:15 PM. Reason : .]

2/12/2010 3:12:33 PM

Sweet you guys are already making excuses before the game.

Look we have already debunked that players get McD's AA just because of where they go.

Look at Harrow. I mean who really thinks that Harrow won't turn out better next year than Drew/Strickland have?

2/12/2010 3:14:54 PM

I agree kids become McDs AAs when programs like UNC and Duke are recruiting them

they still have 7 to our 0

thats a pretty big fucking discrepancy...are all 7 of their AAs flops?

^I predicted a 4 point win...damn i wish i could be as pessimistic as you are all the time

[Edited on February 12, 2010 at 3:17 PM. Reason : .]

2/12/2010 3:16:42 PM

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"are all 7 of their AAs flops?"

Strickland....check
Henson.....check
Wear......check
Wear......check
Drew.......check
Davis......Good
Zeller.......check (He's not even that good)

So 1/7 is actually worth their salt so far. Hell their best players right now (Thompson and Graves) weren't even that highly recruited well at least Graves wasn't.

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"^I predicted a 4 point win...damn i wish i could be as pessimistic as you are all the time"

We just played the worst game NCSU has played in probably 10 years at home and you think we are going to win on the road? I'm not pessimist....I'm just honest. Would you really bet money on our team? I don't even do that when we are good.

2/12/2010 3:23:29 PM

lets examine the AAs unc has tomorrow

wear - worse player than howell
strickland - has some talent but is not a pg. marquette gets 3 guys like him every year and we beat them
drew 2 - sucks ass. also why the fuck does he go by "drew 2." what kind of retard would do that at his age? did he have a kid in high school?
henson - lmao

yea, that argument blows ass. not one of those guys is even as good as costner. strickland might be in a couple years.

2/12/2010 3:25:19 PM

lol Graves was NC's Mr. Basketball that year and a 4 star guy.

Strickland is actually pretty solid for a freshman. If you look at the +/- for UNC (I stroll over to IC everynow and then and they're big on it) line-ups where he is in are consistently in the + while line-ups where he's not in are consistently heavily -. I'm not sure if this is true but I think he's got the best +/- on UNC's team.

2/12/2010 3:27:58 PM

I'd bet money on us to cover the spread

Did we play like complete shit against Va Tech? Sure

But VT is better than UNC, and I don't see UNC hitting their first 10 field goals, and I don't see us hitting zero 3-pointers

heres the bottomline with UNC: Marcus Ginyard doesnt want to be there...he'd rather be working in NYC as an investment banker. His lethargy has influenced the team into taking the same attitude.

Ed Davis doesn't want to be there. He wishes he had left after last year. He just wanted to stay healthy so he could go pro after this year. Well he broke his wrist, but the NBA doesn't give a shit. He'll still be a 1st round pick.

State has shown a lot of heart in some losses, like GT and Clemson...fighting until the end...when is the last game UNC showed that kind of heart? Michigan State?

[Edited on February 12, 2010 at 3:31 PM. Reason : .]

2/12/2010 3:28:53 PM

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"lol Graves was NC's Mr. Basketball that year and a 4 star guy. "

Johnny Thomas regularly owned Graves in his high school time at Greensboro Day.

At the time JT was a better pick up for us than Graves....too bad Johnny has stayed hurt.

[Edited on February 12, 2010 at 3:32 PM. Reason : lol again why are you guys comparing Roy to our coach?]

2/12/2010 3:29:45 PM

+/- thinks julius mays is one of the better players on our team

2/12/2010 3:30:14 PM

I think you meant established, not debunked. carry on...

2/12/2010 3:31:18 PM

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"why are you guys comparing Roy to our coach?"

well for one thing, they are coaching against each other tomorrow...they have almost identical records this year...they coach teams located 30 minutes apart...sorry if you say we cant compare them though, we'll all stop

2/12/2010 3:33:55 PM

2 national championships trumps 1 NIT appearance

^^Nice addition 40-year-old virgin

2/12/2010 3:35:04 PM

agreed, roy's accomplishments crush sidney's

what about this season though?

2/12/2010 3:36:27 PM

After UNC wins Saturday, I think Roy can say he still owns Sid.

Sid is what 1-8 against Roy? Still you can't argue the two....much like how people want to compare Sid's first 4 years and Herb's.

[Edited on February 12, 2010 at 3:39 PM. Reason : whatever it's the weekend I'm out....not arguing this pointless shit all day]

2/12/2010 3:38:00 PM

if we win tomorrow, will you come in and post kissy face emoticons to everyone?

dunno sid's record against roy...but i know roy is 18-1 against state, including his days at kansas...herb never beat him


[Edited on February 12, 2010 at 3:44 PM. Reason : .]

2/12/2010 3:44:06 PM

23-yr crotchety old man, i just wanted to make sure you knew that you used the word completely wrong. I wanted to help so you wouldn't look foolish in the future when you tried to use big words

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"After UNC wins Saturday, I think Roy can say he still owns Sid."

You say this a few posts after claiming you're a realist, not a pessimist? How is this not being pessimistic? The reality is, the game hasn't been played yet and we've definitely got a chance at winning this.



[Edited on February 12, 2010 at 3:54 PM. Reason : ]

2/12/2010 3:49:48 PM

any one have +/- for us?

2/12/2010 3:49:59 PM

everytime i see this thread i always read it as: "cWedibility"

2/12/2010 3:57:41 PM

gd boozie

heaven forbid a motherfucker defend his school and team

2/12/2010 4:01:16 PM

Wow boozie you definitely showed your basketball knowledge on this one... Condensing your idiocy you are arguing that UNC's team as it is currently comprised (including Davis being out etc.)is less talented than NCSU's? Seriously! So wait somehow all the recruiting experts and arguably the best recruiting coach in the nation were fooled. Hmmmmm that sounds really likely...

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"All you can come up with for Virginia Tech is that we couldn't get open shots and make them."

Actually if you would learn how to read I stated that we were getting open outside shots we just weren't hitting them. I also stated that if we had not been getting open shots I would have been more concerned.
Finally, you still failed to address:

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"1. Our best player was sick (throwing up before the game and during halftime). 2. Our other low post threat was injured in warmup and couldn't play more than a couple minutes. 3. Our guards could not hit an outside shot to save their lives. Given these facts are you surprised that we lost?"

You had no answer pertaining to the VT game which is what we were discussing. Instead you went on a tangent about UNC's lineup. I don't think that has any bearing on how NCSU played vs. VT. But maybe that is just my severe lack of basketball knowledge .

[Edited on February 12, 2010 at 6:45 PM. Reason : adfasd]

2/12/2010 6:44:22 PM

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"I also stated that if we had not been getting open shots I would have been more concerned. "

You're a small picture person and I'm a big picture person, I guess.

I'm not concerned because we aren't hitting shots. I'm concerned that we're dead fucking last for the second time in three years, haven't finished better than 10th place since five seasons ago and regressing with every game. We can't hit shots. We can't defend. We can't drive. We can't win.

I understand a lot of you think of all of these issues - poof - disappear when we get two freshman in here but I for one don't believe that will happen for a second. I feel that we have fundamental flaws in our gameplan and that Lowe is one of the worst defensive coaches I've ever seen. Frankly, it's nearly impossible how much our defensive efficiency according to Pomeroy has gone from very, very good to worst in the ACC...

2/12/2010 7:26:02 PM

^ I think these issues have the potential to disappear and if they don't we will at least have talent at every position to attract a new coach with. If you want to talk big picture I expected a long painful transitioning process from the weave and heave to a more traditional offense. So far we are getting exactly what I expected when Sendek left. Worst case scenario we just suck it up and deal with a shitty season this year next year we get two top tier guards in and suck. Then we go after a coach and attract him with some top talent.
Defensively our major issue is and has been we don't force turnovers. I will not lie I find that disturbing however some better guard talent might do worlds of good in that department.

[Edited on February 12, 2010 at 7:49 PM. Reason : blargh]

2/12/2010 7:48:20 PM

Lowe's career as a head coach at NC State hinges on next year. I am as big a Lowe supporter as anyone but would have no problem going in another direction if next year is more of the same.

But while numbers of stars for high school kids is never certain, this is supposed to be his best class yet coming in next season. Because of that, I'm willing to be patient enough to wait until next year.

College programs aren't (re)built overnight, especially when your coach has no college coaching (recruiting ties, etc) background. But given what he got out of Hickson, I'll happily give Coach Lowe a 5th year.

When Lowe was hired, despite his terrible NBA coaching record I thought it could work out well. For one thing he coached two expansion teams: the Timberwolves before Garnett, and the Grizzles before Gasol. Tim Floyd is a pretty good college coach with a terrible NBA record, but he took over the Bulls when Jordan, Pippen, etc left. The positive I hope(d) for in Lowe was the NBA ties. To win in modern day college basketball you need NBA caliber talent. Guys like Carmelo Anthony and Kevin Durant almost singlehandedly did great things for their programs. If Lowe sold Hickson on being able to take him to the NBA and can do the same with Harrow and Brown, everything is great.

2/12/2010 7:54:10 PM

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"Lowe's career as a head coach at NC State hinges on next year. I am as big a Lowe supporter as anyone but would have no problem going in another direction if next year is more of the same."

2/12/2010 8:11:10 PM

At the end of the day, our AD hired a guy without no college coaching experience, an abysmal record as an NBA head coach, and no recruiting ties. Lowe's (predictable) failure these past 4 seasons are on him, and he should be fired. You can't blame a guy who's in over his head for falling on his face, you blame the guy who put him there.

As for Lowe, we really have no choice but to give him one more year to see what he can do with the incoming recruiting class. That's pretty much it though, he's out of excuses after next year. He needs to be fired as soon as it's obvious we're not making NCAA tournament again (probably 3-4 games into our ACC schedule next year). This guy is simply not a major conference caliber head coach.

2/12/2010 8:15:10 PM

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"Lowe's career as a head coach at NC State hinges on next year. I am as big a Lowe supporter as anyone but would have no problem going in another direction if next year is more of the same."

[Edited on February 12, 2010 at 9:05 PM. Reason : inbboozie starts to spew elitism and his season ticket holder status]

2/12/2010 9:04:41 PM

Generations of state fans are starting to not give a shit about NC State Athletics.

This entire BBall season has been little more than "meh" for me.

2/12/2010 9:11:47 PM

Hay guys, this coach can't win in the ACC with a team full of freshmen, a handful of 2-3* guards, and one undersized 4* center. We need to fire him so we can become the laughing stock of the sports media as ole Fowler fudges another coaching search.

2/12/2010 9:12:37 PM

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"We need to fire him so we can become the laughing stock of the sports media."

As opposed to where we are now? How can we get worse than last?

2/12/2010 9:25:25 PM

You weren't around for the last coaching search were you?

2/12/2010 9:42:26 PM

but but but if we pay enough money we can get a good coach

or a good up and comer like brad stevens

or somebody...right guys?

lets not forget who our AD is

2/12/2010 9:46:12 PM

i love that the vast majority of the "dont fire sid" people have the following reasons:


1. next yrs recruits
2. lee fowler sucks
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3. he might be a decent coach

2/12/2010 11:25:54 PM

Some people think he can be a good coach... We've beaten a couple of good teams this year when our guards played well, but they've just been too damned inconsistent. I want to see what happens with these guards coming in.

OH, and if you really think we should fire him this year and just let the recruits coming in slip away, then you are a fucking retard.

[Edited on February 12, 2010 at 11:39 PM. Reason : .]

2/12/2010 11:34:37 PM

maybe, but it is kinda hard to argue that he is "still" credible if those are your top 2 reasons to keep him

2/12/2010 11:45:40 PM

he's a solid coach

2/13/2010 12:16:05 AM

I take solid shits like 90% of the time.

Same type comparison?

2/13/2010 1:35:27 AM

what's wrong with his coaching?

his plays get the open looks, we just miss them lately
his presses are about as any team that doesn't constantly press
his defense works when the team doesn't play like idiots
he makes good adjustments
he's not afraid to make adjustments
he calls timeouts at appropriate times

a lot of people complain about his substitutions and starting patterns and say they don't make sense. Lowe's made one thing clear, if you want to play you have to earn your time in practice. Some of his substitution patterns remind me of when I attempt to take something apart. I look at a nut and try to guess a size to use, a lot of times it doesn't work because I don't have the proper tool for the job (like Lowe and his guards)

2/13/2010 1:54:10 AM

I grew up rooting for a national championship team and went to undergrad with a tournament caliber team year in and year out. Now I donate to a team who "gets open shots" while finishing 10th, 11th or 12th best. Call me crazy, but I like to win games and not "get open shots."

Anyway, beat the fuck out of UNC tomorrow please.

(his defense has been the worst in the ACC via Pomeroy over the last four seasons, bar none, by the way)

[Edited on February 13, 2010 at 1:57 AM. Reason : x]

2/13/2010 1:56:39 AM

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"his defense works when the team doesn't play like idiots"

[Edited on February 13, 2010 at 2:07 AM. Reason : the problem]

2/13/2010 2:04:24 AM

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"i love that the vast majority of the "dont fire sid" people have the following reasons: 1. next yrs recruits 2. lee fowler sucks . . . . . . . . . . . 3. he might be a decent coach "

4. the alternative doesn't foresee to be any better

If we fire Lowe now who would want to coach here? Most outlets would accuse us of running off another coach (not untrue) and prospective coaches would be discouraged by that. We would probably lose our incoming recruits. Our last coaching search did not go well with getting a high profile coach, and I don't see how this one would go any better.

2/13/2010 6:36:23 AM

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"Most outlets would accuse us of running off another coach (not untrue) and prospective coaches would be discouraged by that."

Ok, this is just bullshit. We're headed towards our 4th straight bottom three finish, not to mention second last place finish in 4 years. We've been the worst team in the ACC since Lowe's tenure began. There isn't a media outlet in the country who would criticize us for firing the captain of that failboat.

2/13/2010 8:20:27 AM

other than the NandO of course.

Nothing could make that fishwrap praise anything NC State, ever.

2/13/2010 8:42:19 AM

Good thing we won't have to find out about the ways the media would shit on us if we fired Sid this season

2/13/2010 9:07:51 AM