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"Ok, this is just bullshit. We're headed towards our 4th straight bottom three finish, not to mention second last place finish in 4 years. We've been the worst team in the ACC since Lowe's tenure began. There isn't a media outlet in the country who would criticize us for firing the captain of that failboat."

Wrong. If we ran him off this year they would be coming out of the wood work talking about how great our incoming class was and how Lowe was finally starting to get his guys in and install his offense. Not to mention the fact that we lost a huge percentage of our offense last year and are very young. No young sir, we would be railroaded by the media once again. WRAL would lead the charge, have no doubt.

2/13/2010 9:47:34 AM

guys

we're fucked either way

we are nc state

we keep lowe, we'll be shitty for 10 years

and if we fire him then we'll probably have to resort to a TWW COACHING MASTERMIND to lead the team

2/13/2010 10:01:27 AM

well this came at an apt time

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" Fowler gives Lowe vote of confidence BY J.P. GIGLIO - Staff writer Tags: basketball | college | sports N.C. State started the college basketball season with two goals - to play hard and show progress. A 20-point home loss to Virginia Tech on Wednesday was a step back in both categories, but N.C. State athletic director Lee Fowler and coach Sidney Lowe both feel the Wolfpack is on target for its preseason goals despite a five-game ACC losing streak and its position in last place of the conference standings. "We're disappointed to be 2-8," Fowler said Friday. "We want to be 8-2, but we're encouraged by how this group is playing and the group of players we're adding next season." Fowler, who hired Lowe in April 2006 after a lengthy search process, added that Lowe will be the Wolfpack's coach next season. "He's our coach, and he deserves a chance," Fowler said. "He knows he has to turn it around and play at the top of the league." Lowe hopes to get the Wolfpack (14-11, 2-8) out of the ACC basement and push North Carolina (13-11, 2-7) down, with today's game in Chapel Hill. Lowe, 65-57 in his fourth season with the Pack, said Friday the ACC position wasn't totally unexpected after losing the top three scorers from the 2008-09 season and the top recruit to prep school, but he was mostly pleased with the team's improved effort. "We knew it was going to be tough," Lowe said. "This is a tough conference. "We have accomplished the 'playing hard' part. We have to put the other things together." State's offense, last in the ACC with an average of 69.4 points per game, has not improved as much as Lowe would like. State's 88-74 win over ACC-leading Duke on Jan. 20 showed what the Wolfpack is capable of, Lowe said, but it also demonstrated what the team has failed to duplicate since. State shot 58.2 percent against the Blue Devils and got double-figure scoring from five players. The Pack hasn't shot that well, or had that type of balance, in the five games since, which have all been losses. The Wolfpack's shooting woes hit a season low with a 20-of-70 (28.6 percent) effort against Virginia Tech. In 10 ACC games, State is 228-of-587 (38 percent), which is 10 points below its average in 15 nonconference games. "If we just shoot the ball just a little bit better, it's a totally different game," Lowe said. "I'm not saying we have to shoot it great, just a little bit better, it would have been a different year so far." Poor shooting has only been part of the Wolfpack's problems. Getting consistent production from someone other than forward Tracy Smith, the team's leading scorer at 17.4 points per game, has been a problem. Junior point guard Javi Gonzalez started the season well, taking control of the team and providing a consistent source of perimeter scoring, but his production - and playing time - have fluctuated in ACC play. Gonzalez, who averages 9.9 points per game, played 17 minutes in Wednesday's loss, the third time against an ACC opponent he has played fewer than 20 minutes. He scored two points against the Hokies - his fifth ACC game with fewer than seven points - but he also has a 19-point outing against UNC, 18 against Wake Forest and 15 against Duke. "I don't know if it's confidence or concentration," Lowe said. "At times, he's playing around with the ball too much. When he's going straight [to the basket], he's different." Injuries have limited the contributions of senior guard Farnold Degand and freshman forward Richard Howell. Degand missed one ACC game with a thigh bruise and was visibly slowed in Wednesday's loss. Howell cut his leg running onto the court for warmups on Wednesday. He could only play three minutes against the Hokies. When those two are healthy, State is a different, and more complete, team. The Wolfpack needs to win four of its final six ACC games to match last season's 6-10 conference record and three more wins to exceed last season's overall win total. That would be measurable progress Lowe could point to as he welcomes a recruiting class that includes highly rated guards Ryan Harrow and Lorenzo Brown. A win today, though, which would be State's first at Chapel Hill against Roy Williams, could help ease the current problems. "There's no question it could be a game that could start something good," Lowe said. "

2/13/2010 10:02:23 AM

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"we're encouraged by how this group is playing and the group of players we're adding next season."

Its amazing how much some of you have in common with Fowler.

Sidney would go a long way towards restoring his credibility by winning today. Even against a crappy UNC team.

2/13/2010 11:52:11 AM

We've got a lot of problems, but if we shoot a little better, those problems wouldn't be such a big deal. I really can't believe how many open looks our team misses. Lowe nailed it here:

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""If we just shoot the ball just a little bit better, it's a totally different game," Lowe said. "I'm not saying we have to shoot it great, just a little bit better, it would have been a different year so far.""

2/13/2010 12:39:26 PM

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"Condensing your idiocy you are arguing that UNC's team as it is currently comprised (including Davis being out etc.)is less talented than NCSU's?"

Learn to fucking read please before you start spewing shit dammit.

Me and TreeTwista10 were talking about how UNC's McD's AA are not legit.

NOWHERE in this fucking thread did anyone say we have more talent than UNC.

Shut the fuck up adder.

[Edited on February 13, 2010 at 2:41 PM. Reason : Although today you could argue we should be favorites even though we won't win]

[Edited on February 13, 2010 at 2:46 PM. Reason : I might kill the next person that compares Sid to Roy gd stop already I don't give a shit about UNC]

2/13/2010 2:38:26 PM

haven't you bitched enough boozie?

2/13/2010 2:56:28 PM

havent you noticed thats all he ever does?

[Edited on February 13, 2010 at 2:58 PM. Reason : he'll respond with something about how he has season tickets or knows more than anyone, etc, etc]

2/13/2010 2:58:08 PM

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" Although today you could argue we should be favorites even though we won't win"

the situation according to packboozie:
1. UNC is the more talented team
2. Roy Williams is a far superior coach
3. Yet you could argue that state should be favored today on UNC's home court? Your logical progression is DEEPLY flawed...

2/13/2010 3:29:17 PM

Those things aren't really incompatible with each other.

1) UNC has more raw talent, but it's mostly on the inside and they don't have a good enough distributor of the ball to take advantage of it.

2) Roy Williams is one of the Top 5 coaches in the history of college basketball by the numbers. Lowe has the worst ACC winning % in NC State history.

3) I think you can argue we deserve to be favored without Davis playing.

2/13/2010 3:33:16 PM

nm

Go Pack!

[Edited on February 13, 2010 at 3:36 PM. Reason : .,]

2/13/2010 3:36:15 PM

^^I think most rational people would argue that UNC's backcourt is more talented than NCSU's too. As bad as Drew is he would be an obvious upgrade over our pg situation.

2/13/2010 3:59:09 PM

LOL are you serious adder? Drew fucking blows....UNC fans want him out.

I know you guys can't see things without being biased but the UNC team out there today is not more talented than ours.

2/13/2010 4:29:35 PM

^yeah all the recruiting analysts in the country were wrong

[Edited on February 13, 2010 at 4:35 PM. Reason : oh, "the ones out there", but still...no]

2/13/2010 4:34:55 PM

so we have more talent on our team than UNC

[no]

2/13/2010 4:35:03 PM

^^Can't tell if you're serious or not. Do you really think Henson is the #3 freshman?

Look 1/7 McD's have turned out to be good so far....

It really doesn't matter, we should beat the team they are putting out today.

2/13/2010 4:36:20 PM

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"^yeah all the recruiting analysts in the country were wrong"

They are never wrong. That's why Brian Zoubek is better than Hasheem Thabeet and Dexter Pittman.

2/13/2010 4:36:35 PM

are they so wrong that 7 AAs are worse than zero AAs?

2/13/2010 4:37:07 PM

do you think ALL of the recruiting analysts in the country were wrong about ALL seven (or 6) of their MCDAA's!? that's absurd.

2/13/2010 4:38:15 PM

Dude nobody is making that argument.

I will argue though the team that we are playing should beat the team they have today I don't care what you guys say. IMO we should run this game with them shorthanded and when we slow it down feed our bigs all game.

[Edited on February 13, 2010 at 4:38 PM. Reason : ^So far they have been....]

2/13/2010 4:38:27 PM

i just wonder, if we win, how you'll spin it to not give lowe any credit for it

LOL at us having more talent

[Edited on February 13, 2010 at 4:48 PM. Reason : .]

2/13/2010 4:40:41 PM

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"we should run this game with them shorthanded and when we slow it down feed our bigs all game"

well i agree with this.

on a side note, i am looking forward to seeing how/if having lo and harrow will make it easier to feed the post next year. since it's torturous watching our guards attempt it this year.

mo lowe, lo, and harrow for sho

2/13/2010 4:59:54 PM

Shut the fuck up you clowns.

We have what three guys ranked in the top 100 getting minutes today? And one of them is Painter. Don't even attempt the talent argument.

Howell I'm not counting because he can barely move.

Great job by Painter in the first half filling in for an injured Howell. He made a basket, blocked a shot, and drew a three second call on great help side rotation. Javi has to step it up he was pretty blah and I expected another big game from him. Horner actually did a good job until the final four minutes of the half where he started fucking up. Degand didn't offer anything. Wood still can't get his shot to fall consistently (even badly missed a FT?!). Davis did some nice things but his turnover was brutal. Cj throwing the ball away on the floor was ridiculous.


Great job by the guys to get us back into this game right before half. We really need to come out with some intensity and get on the boards in the 2nd half. With Howell being out we really haven't been able to take enough advantage of Davis being out.

We played probably our best defense of the season for awhile there but we really looked lost on our rotations the last ten minutes of the half. Carolina is getting too many open shots off screens, we have to get it together.


We will have to rely on Wood/Javi hitting shots for us to win this game. That's not a great thing to rely on, hopefully they will come through...

2/13/2010 5:00:53 PM

You should give a coach credit for every game he wins. But how much credit are you asking for?? It's the game that is deciding who should be the last place team in the league. We shouldn't even be in this fucking position in his 4th year. If it wasn't UNC we were playing, I honestly don't know if I would really give a shit.

2/13/2010 5:01:04 PM

We have our least talented teams in over a decade and the ACC is top to bottom tougher than it's been for 90% of the last decade. What are the expectations here guys?

[Edited on February 13, 2010 at 5:08 PM. Reason : a]

2/13/2010 5:08:30 PM

2/13/2010 5:09:51 PM

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"It's the game that is deciding who should be the last place team in the league. We shouldn't even be in this fucking position in his 4th year."

I know it's irrelevant... but taking Sid and the Wolfpack out of the conversation, what possible excuse does Roy have for being in this position in his 7th year at UNC? and his 22nd year as a Div-1 head coach? and having 7 McDAAs? and being the reigning national champions?

Please boozie, don't kill me. Since you think all the reasons that have been given in defense of Sid are bad excuses, I'd really like to hear your argument about Roy. Why is his team so shitty? Is it a lack of talent? Or should Roy be let go?

[Edited on February 13, 2010 at 5:26 PM. Reason : ]

2/13/2010 5:10:33 PM

I expected a guy who's never coached at this level, never recruited, had no talent and a roster full of apathetic square pegs to be cuttin down them mothafuckin nets every year, bro dawg.

2/13/2010 5:11:14 PM

i dont give a fuck about anything related to his credibility

i just want us to beat UNC

i knew we'd be shitty this year, and i would have never thought we would beat Duke. So, if we take them both, A++.

i just fucking wish Brown could have qualified.

2/13/2010 5:13:28 PM

Boozie, you really need to think about your statements a little more before you post. Drew is averaging 2 assist per game MORE than Javi (btw Drew is 2nd in the acc in APG). He is 4th in the conference in assist to turnover ratio (almost 2:1) Javi doesn't even crack the top 10. The only aspect in which Javi is superior is he scores 1 more point a game. So the statics back me up and and your argument is "the unc fans want him out" yup you really know your basketball.

2/13/2010 5:15:44 PM

^Lol do you think that Drew averages more assists based on the fact his team scores more?

Did that ever cross your small brain?

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"Don't even attempt the talent argument."

It's hard to not bring it up when the pro-Lowe people's main argument is how good of a recruiter Lowe is.

[Edited on February 13, 2010 at 5:24 PM. Reason : ^Javi also splits playing time with Mays and isn't PG when Mays is in....do you watch?]

2/13/2010 5:23:35 PM

maybe his team scores more because they have better players?

[Edited on February 13, 2010 at 5:24 PM. Reason : .]

2/13/2010 5:24:08 PM

You pro-Lowe people won't ever blame Lowe at all.

Two good freshmen guards aren't going to fix this.

I've said it before, I will wager $100 we don't make the NCAAT under Sid Lowe next year.

But by all means you fucks keep defending this shit Sidney Lowe calls basketball.

[Edited on February 13, 2010 at 5:26 PM. Reason : V I don't give a shit about Roy and UNC....I want us to win]

2/13/2010 5:25:32 PM

Boozie, please see my edit above. I really would like to hear what why you think Roy is having such a shitty year and if you think he should be fired.

Edit

^Please Boozie. I think, for credibilities sake, you should prove your basketball knowledge and explain why Roy is having such a shitty year. You've made it clear that you think Sid is a shitty coach. And you've stated that Roy is a very good coach. So why is UNC having such a shitty year?

[Edited on February 13, 2010 at 5:30 PM. Reason : ]

2/13/2010 5:25:44 PM

rawr im the most negative and pessimistic state fan there is rawr

2/13/2010 5:26:02 PM

BUT GUYS

HE HAS SEASON TICKETS AND HES SOOOOOO YOUNG

BEST NC STATE FAN EVAR


[Edited on February 13, 2010 at 5:29 PM. Reason : .]

2/13/2010 5:28:56 PM

^Don't Forget his "BASKETBALL KNOWLEDGE!!!"
So you think Javi is a better PG than drew? Really Boozie really...

2/13/2010 5:33:55 PM

Fuck off........I dissaprove of Lowe and still attend every home game and still watch as hard as it is.

^^^He is the best active coach by percentage. Is he doing a bad job this year? Yes. Is his talent overrated? Yes. He's still won 2 titles in five years. He hasn't been bottom three in the ACC for four years.

[Edited on February 13, 2010 at 5:34 PM. Reason : ^Haha never said that....Drew and Javi lol that's like who's the tallest midget]

2/13/2010 5:34:21 PM

what does last year have to do with anything

2/13/2010 5:36:11 PM

It's a credibility thread. Credibility isn't based on 3/4 of a season. It is based on a body of work, of which Roy >>>>>>>>>> (I can't fit enough on the screen to emphasize it) Sidney

2/13/2010 5:36:47 PM

WILL GRAVES IS DOMINATING THE POST

2/13/2010 5:37:18 PM

^^^I'm not the one that's making that argument. You pro-Lowe people are to try and twist it to make Lowe look less shitty. It's like comparing Lowe to Herb and so on. Lowe needs to be judged on what he does not others.

[Edited on February 13, 2010 at 5:38 PM. Reason : lol keep trolling me guys I don't give a fuck. Fuck Sidney Lowe basketaball]

2/13/2010 5:37:29 PM

You cannot deny that when our guards suck, and that's often, they really suck. And they're really sucking today. I know that's harsh, but it's the truth.



Boozie, if you can't answer my question, you've lost all credibility with me. You shoot down any and every reason as to why we weren't expected to be good this year, and why we haven't been good this year. So what's your rationale for why UNC is having such a shitty year? Is it Roy? Is it the talent he has? Bad recruiting? What is it?

2/13/2010 5:37:35 PM

so its fair to compare a coach with 22 years of experience to one with 3 years experience?

2/13/2010 5:38:05 PM

I think it's patently retarded to even MENTION Roy in this thread, but a lot of knuckleheads keep wanting to for some odd reason. Anyway, enjoy the aftermath of this game on here -- I'm sure it'll be pretty. I'm done.

2/13/2010 5:39:00 PM

^^^Uhh Bullet I said Roy is having a terrible year what the fuck else do you want from me?

I don't think he owes anyone anything. His recruiting is what keeps him going and his recruits this year have not panned out.

[Edited on February 13, 2010 at 5:39 PM. Reason : still recruiting is 2/3 of NCAA ball]

2/13/2010 5:39:06 PM

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"So what's your rationale for why UNC is having such a shitty year? Is it Roy? Is it the talent he has? Bad recruiting? What is it?"

What the hell do you want dude? Yes, UNC is having a shitty year and there is no good excuse for it. All the above if you want an answer to your question. Roy has sucked this year, their talent sucks, and their recruiting sucked. That's why all their fans are fucking pissed and the media is going crazy.

The difference is that Roy has a long history of success in all those areas, and WON THE FUCKING NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP last year. So one year of sucking it up can be thrown out as an outlier. All we've seen from Lowe is shitty recruiting, shitty talent, and shitty coaching. There is no reason to think it's going to get any better.

[Edited on February 13, 2010 at 5:46 PM. Reason : :]

2/13/2010 5:44:27 PM

Sorry NyM if I'm mucking up this otherwise thread of objective and realistic talk of Sid's credibility, but hopefully the mods will allow this slight diversion.

If you think it's fair to say that Sid has no credibility as a college coach after 3.5 years (and the circumstances), then what the fuck is going on with Roy? I just don't understand your way of thinking. I'm trying to understand it.

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"What the hell do you want dude?"

I want somebody who has a lot of college basketball knowledge to explain to me why a heralded great coach of a returning national championship team loaded with highly recruited players is having such a terrible season. Take Sid out of the conversation. I know that will go against the title of this thread, but again, i think the mods will allow it.

[Edited on February 13, 2010 at 5:53 PM. Reason : ]

2/13/2010 5:46:34 PM

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" ^Haha never said that....Drew and Javi lol that's like who's the tallest midget]"

Adder: "I think most rational people would argue that UNC's backcourt is more talented than NCSU's too. As bad as Drew is he would be an obvious upgrade over our pg situation."
Boozie: "LOL are you serious adder? Drew fucking blows....UNC fans want him out."

That was all on this page...

2/13/2010 5:47:56 PM

^Lol at your trolling now.

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"so its fair to compare a coach with 22 years of experience to one with 3 years experience?"

Tony Bennett has been a head coach the same amount of time also. And before you come back with being an assistant under his dad, Lowe was in the NBA for years. Once again, not my problem Lowe was not qualified from day one.

2/13/2010 5:50:14 PM