Well give him next year... After that send him out on that fucking train and red blazer he rode in on. This is bottomof the barrel fuck fuck power pack fuck goooo power pack goddamn

2/13/2010 7:22:08 PM

he rode in on a red blazer?

2/13/2010 7:25:20 PM

Sydney isn't near the coach Herb was. Herb would have taken the teams in Sydney's first years and made the NCAAs. Sydney doesn't know how to coach in college with subpar talent.

We just can't hit an open shot for nothing in the world.

2/13/2010 7:25:37 PM

The best case scenario is for "fans" to shut the fuck up so we get as many of these top tier recruits in here as possible. Cothron's reasoning for not signing yet is Lowe's situation looks kind of shaky.
^And when herb had talent he got the exact same results he had without it... Not hitting open shots doesn't really sound like a coaching problem to me sounds more like a talent problem.

[Edited on February 13, 2010 at 7:27 PM. Reason : ^]

2/13/2010 7:25:46 PM

doesn't the state of the program prior make a big difference in these early sendek/lowe comparisons?

lowe had five ncaas to build on where herb had absolute shit

2/13/2010 7:31:42 PM

Talent that was built around a big man who shot 3's and spent most of his time on the perimeter. I am not going into this argument again. One example and that is it, McCauley came to NCSU as a big man who played a perimeter game. He was converted into a back to the basket center out of necessity.

2/13/2010 7:37:14 PM

Quote :

"Sydney isn't near the coach Herb was. Herb would have taken the teams in Sydney's first years and made the NCAAs. Sydney doesn't know how to coach in college with subpar talent."

you want people to take you seriously, but you can't even spell our coach's name right

2/13/2010 7:47:56 PM

Quote :

"Random intervals? The interval I'm using is Lowe's entire career How the fuck is that random"

well it may not be random, but it also isnt a fair comparison.

sid may not have started with much but he started with may more than herb. herb bascially started with cc harrison and nothing else.

Quote :

"And when herb had talent he got the exact same results he had without it."

wait, what?

herb may not have had succes in the tourney, but he definitely improved his teams as the years went along.

Quote :

"Roy Williams is one of the Top 5 coaches in the history of college basketball by the numbers."

i know you specifically said by the numbers, but surely you arent saying he is one of the top 5 coaches ever? top 10 maybe, but not top 5. and for the numbers that matter, roy is tied with a bunch of guys for 5th in terms of nat'l champ, but one of those guys is dean smith.

2/13/2010 7:47:58 PM

Wow. Sidney Lowe now has the worst winning percentage against ACC competition, even worse than Les Robinson, and that was before the loss today.

Les was a won a whopping 29.8 percent of his games against the ACC. Lowe is currently sitting at 28.8 percent.

Never in my lifetime did I ever think I'd see a worse program at NC State than those years under Les. Simply tragic.

[Edited on February 14, 2010 at 1:39 AM. Reason : sad sad sad]

2/14/2010 1:36:32 AM

2010-11

.500 or bust

woohoo

2/14/2010 11:07:22 AM

You remember when Herb had the Doh years?? Like pretty much the only time we had a team that was just as good as UNC and he actually beat them??

Well Lowe just ruined the last opportunity he'll have of a clear shot at beating UNC. Sure, we'll always have that "once in 5 years we play out of our minds, and they play like shit, and we win" game...but that's it. They beat the shit out of this year (which is ridiculous...because they are HORRIBLE). But they'll be back on track next year, and we'll be far behind.

I haven't really given a shit about NC State basketball the last couple years because I think we're a lost cause. I still watch every game I can and cheer hard...but it doesn't effect me not one bit. I have no faith in Lowe's coaching ability and I think the only shot he has at succeeding here is to recruit like crazy. He's doing a decent job of it, but not good enough to overcome his coaching deficiencies. I think his ceiling is middle of the pack in the ACC. We will never challenge for a title under him except for a rare ACC tourney run. If we make it to the NCAAs, we will never make it past the 2nd round.

2/14/2010 11:37:32 AM

Wow... I just read what Ryan Harrow put on PackPride...

I'm gonna go ahead and chill with the Lowe criticizing for a bit, even though I feel that I am justified. No sense complaining about something that isn't going to change, especially if it is negatively affecting a kid like Ryan who seems intelligent, nice and a good person.

2/14/2010 12:09:17 PM

Quote :

"To all my Wolfpack fansI want to say thank you for all the support and faith that ya'll have in Lorenzo and I. We are very excited to be coming to such a highly-regarded school. Lorenzo and I have talked about playing basketball at NC State together and with the rest of the players that will be there for a long time. We are looking to come in and make the team better by the hardwork we put in before practice, during practice, and after. We have winner mentalities and hopefully that will rub off on the players that are in a slump this season. Me personally, I have always been excited about coming to NC State ever since coach Monte Towe and Coach Lowe walked into my high school gym my freshman year. Coach Lowe believed in me when a lot of coaches thought I didn't have what it takes. Sad on those coaches behalf haha. Now I am what I am and I'm sticking beside Coach Lowe because of the loyalty he showed me. I feel if a person treats you with that much respect and has that much faith, then I must show that same courtesy back. Myself and Lorenzo are on NC State's blogs and forums everyday and we look to see all the support you give us, but now a days we see so much negative and it has become really discomforting to my godbrother and I. The things that are said about the fans giving up and not wanting to show the support like I know ya'll can. I was at the Duke game. Our fans can get crazy lol. Those statements matter to me. I came to the school at first solely for Coach Lowe but when I come to see games and people are greeting me, saying " thank you so much for joining us", it made me realize I love the atmosphere to. These fans can get better. I hate going on the forums reading those things. Also Lorenzo and I see the statements about coach Lowe and it really makes me think, " what am I getting myself into". Coach Lowe works hard and is very passionate about the game. He just needs people and players around him like Lorenzo, Luke, C.J., and me to transpire that fire onto the court. Every bad game we cannot criticize coach Lowe. It comes down to the players performing on the court. I know Coach Lowe is going to help my game and make me the best point guard I can be. But it will come in time. The 2010 class will be a great one, especially adding to the players that's already at the school. We will get better as the year goes on. But ya'll have to remember, even though I think myself and Lorenzo are two of the best guards out there in the nation, we are coming into a new experience so we have to learn a little first. So if we don't get the results ya'll want right away, plz don't give up on supporting the team and don't say we need to fire the coach. We are going to be a great team and one of the best teams to come through NC State. It just takes time. I hope Lorenzo and I have not offended anybody and would hope that ya'll understand where we are coming from. My family and Lorenzo's family are Wolfpack until we die now, but we need support and comfort. Thank you and Go STATE! "

[Edited on February 14, 2010 at 12:16 PM. Reason : these kids better just stay off the blogs and forums. ]

2/14/2010 12:12:18 PM

Wait, I didn' think high school recruits checked these sites.

I really wonder what folks are trying to accomplish by coming to this site and talking so much emotional shit.

2/14/2010 12:22:07 PM

Nothing I said is emotional. I have (I believe) well-formed opinions and voice them. Tough luck if you guys don't like it or agree with it. But I don't want to negatively affect our recruiting or our players so I'm going to stop for a bit.

2/14/2010 12:23:11 PM

I keep hoping that people realize it does nothing but hurt the team. Nothing good comes of it. Sid is going nowhere next year, no matter how bad some on here want him gone. Sure, nothing wrong with analyzing the game plan, questioning a time-out, etc. But the shit-talking and firing talk is pointless. It will only have negative effects, nothing positive.

[Edited on February 14, 2010 at 12:27 PM. Reason : ]

2/14/2010 12:26:20 PM

Quote :

"I keep hoping that people realize it does nothing but hurt the team. Nothing good comes of it. Sid is going nowhere next year, no matter how bad some on here want him gone. Sure, nothing wrong with analyzing the game plan, questioning a time-out, etc. But the shit-talking and firing talk is pointless. It will only have negative effects, nothing positive."

good post

2/14/2010 12:27:59 PM

why did he say c.j. in that post? is leslie coming?

Quote :

"He just needs people and players around him like Lorenzo, Luke, C.J., and me to transpire that fire onto the court."

[Edited on February 14, 2010 at 2:10 PM. Reason : V no I will not]

2/14/2010 1:58:14 PM

shaddup

2/14/2010 2:00:59 PM

our recruits need to realize that nc state has over 170,000 living alumni. The 25 to 50 people that shit talk on these forums don't mean a damn thing. yes the fan base is frustrated with our athletics, but that does not mean we do not support our coaches. I would much rather see lowe succeed than not. I don't think i could go through another coaching search + rebuilding.

It's not our job to fire Lowe. It is our job to encourage him and show him support. He has more passion and more nc state in his blood than any of us, so we need to show him respect. All of the haters need to shut up and see that in the age of the internet, talking shit on our own program does nothing but add to the problems. the players see it. the coaches see it. most of all the media that already is against nc state sees it. all it does is make it worse. so please won't all of you just shut up and lock this damn thread already.

I think Lowe knows where we stand and I think he would much rather step down when he thinks that what he is doing and working toward truly isn't working. How could we expect a coach with no college recruiting or coaching experience to come in here and make an impact in 3 and a half years. he inherited an impossible situation (From the true problem, lee fowler) that only a seasoned college coach with recruiting ties could have weathered. had someone like rick barnes come in, he would have struggled, but not as much because he was already out there recruiting and knew all of the high school coaches and players. Give Lowe some credit, it took some time, but he has learned to recruit. we are having a tough year, but he still has managed to get us a top 10 recruiting class. Let the man get his players in next year.

He obviously doesn't have the talent that he needs yet. His offense is based on guys hitting open shots, and we are struggling. *****Struggling + no support from fans = impossible pressure and an inability to please and ever get out of a slump.***** We as a fan base should be ashamed of ourselves and as of this moment IF there is anything that i am ashamed of with our athletics, it's our fans. I am a proud graduate of NC State and I support what our coaches are doing. If they cannot learn from their mistakes, then they should be accountable. But if half of the process is recruiting, Lowe and his staff are doing much better at that than they did originally. Now let's see if he can improve elsewhere.

All that being said....this thread really should be locked. Too many people read this forum. Too many people think that all of you represent a total fan base.

LOCK IT NOW!! Do this and we will be showing one of our greatest players, who won us a damn championship when no one expected it, some much deserved respect.

This thread does nothing but fuel negativity and shame.



[Edited on February 14, 2010 at 2:42 PM. Reason : tried to make it prettier...probly worse tho]

2/14/2010 2:21:15 PM

^ you might have said something good in there, but there's no way i'm reading that big ass block of text.

2/14/2010 2:35:49 PM

haha, exactly what I thought

I read the last couple of free-standing sentences and I think I got the point of your entire post

2/14/2010 2:36:55 PM

lol sorry i got carried away, but point being..this thread is serving no purpose but to make things worse

2/14/2010 2:37:46 PM

Eh, I don't think the thread should be locked. It gives people a place to air their greivances, and at least it keeps some negativity out of the recruiting thread. I just wish people would keep the overboard, emotional, negative, ignorant shit-talking out of it.

But good post (except for the format )

2/14/2010 2:38:24 PM

Quote :

"this thread is serving no purpose but to make things worse"

NO, us taking the basketball court this year is serving no purpose but to make things worse.

You find me one alum who is donating big $$ to NCSU Athletics that is actually happy doing so being last in the ACC every year in basketball.

I swear I still can't believe we got rid of a coach that got us to the tourney every year for a coach that has a worse winning % than Les Robinson.

2/14/2010 2:51:24 PM

Quote :

"we got rid of a coach"

.......................

2/14/2010 2:53:48 PM

Quote :

"I swear I still can't believe we got rid of a coach that got us to the tourney every year"

Hey, he's still coaching you know. You could become a fan of his current team.

(oh, and fyi, fwiw, he didn't get us the NCAAs until his 6th year)

2/14/2010 3:00:56 PM

lol packboozie got CALLED OUT by Ryan Harrow

2/14/2010 4:01:50 PM

lol

2/14/2010 4:03:24 PM

Yes, maybe some of you freakin whiners will shut up for awhile....Jeebas....

2/14/2010 4:12:15 PM

^I just dont see how anyone could be mad at someone for whining about where we are right now (talking about people on this board and others).. we are pathetic right now and it is hard to even care or watch anymore. Best thing that could happen is the season end tomorrow and we get Ryan, Lo, and whomever wants to come. The more we lose, the worse it is going to get.

2/14/2010 4:15:48 PM

Quote :

"lol packboozie got CALLED OUT by Ryan Harrow"

2/14/2010 4:21:35 PM

Let me get this straight...

We can't criticize Lowe because a teenager who has yet to play a college basketball game says not to? Since when do we let high school seniors dictate the debate on how our basketball program is run?

It's not like Lowe is beyond criticism. And a lot of the criticism is valid. People who pay $ into the program (and will be funding Ryan's education while he's here) have a right to demand that the team/coaches/admin display results.

I admire Harrow for standing up for Lowe. But he needs to understand that this isn't high school anymore.

2/14/2010 4:23:58 PM

I just don't think that it is SO UNREASONABLE for someone to question the coaching as of right now.. we are beyond pathetic.

2/14/2010 4:27:29 PM

Quote :

"I just don't think that it is SO UNREASONABLE for someone to question the coaching as of right now."

Once again, it's not unreasonable to question the coaching. Nobody is happy with the current Xs and Os. But the negative, emotion-based, often ignorant crying and ranting is pretty pathetic.

2/14/2010 4:41:49 PM

^This is it!

2/14/2010 5:04:45 PM

Jordan Collins for NCSU basketball coach.

2/14/2010 8:16:58 PM

Quote :

"lol packboozie got CALLED OUT by Ryan Harrow"

LOL he wants to go to a school with 30,000 people and tons of alumni and donors but doesn't want his coach to take criticism? If you are bad at any job you take heat and if it gets bad enough you get fired. This guy surely has the goal to play in the pros so he might as well get used to it.

What school/fantasy world does he live in?

[Edited on February 15, 2010 at 1:44 AM. Reason : also lol at me not supporting the team....90% of you Lowe dicksuckers haven't attended a game]

[Edited on February 15, 2010 at 1:48 AM. Reason : It's not like I stand up and boo during the fucking game....people take message boards too serious]

2/15/2010 1:42:50 AM

^

Quote :

"SEASON TICKET HOLDER"

2/15/2010 1:49:22 AM

Haha knew that wouldn't take long. But how many of the Lowe supporters can claim that? Most of these faggots don't donate a dime....

I eat, sleep, and breathe NCSU athletics. If you want to question someone, question the faggots like beergolftile that openly admit they don't even watch the games.

If I don't like the coach that doesn't mean I am a bad fan. 90% of people that are attending games like me are fed up with Lowe, and yet they are still there. We aren't bad fans. If we were bad fans, we would stop donating and sell what tickets we have.

[Edited on February 15, 2010 at 2:02 AM. Reason : for 24 years, my fan dom has never been in doubt.]

2/15/2010 1:52:37 AM

2/15/2010 1:56:13 AM

Quote :

"LOL he wants to go to a school with 30,000 people and tons of alumni and donors but doesn't want his coach to take criticism? "

no, he ASKED you people to stop pissing and moaning about Lowe when its clear that this isn't all on him. Harrow doesn't give a flying fuck what you say about him, but he knows that it hurts recruiting for dumbasses to start flying off at the mouth about the coach, begging for a new one every time we lose a game. He's out there recruiting harder than anyone to get guys to come here (mainly CJ) but its a tough sell when even he is questioning what he got himself into.


And I don't know where you sit while you're attending these games, but if you think this piss poor performance we've seen the last 3 weeks (or 4 seasons for that matter) is all lowe's fault, you're either blind or you're showing how little you know about this game. We're simply over matched at the 1 and 2, we have been for 3 years now, and it won't change until next season. Pissing and moaning about it is only going to make it more likely that those 2 game changers won't make it to campus.

[Edited on February 15, 2010 at 8:01 AM. Reason : ]

2/15/2010 7:59:30 AM

Quote :

"90% of you Lowe dicksuckers haven't attended a game"

Quote :

"90% of people that are attending games like me are fed up with Lowe"

Where do you get your stats from? You continue to cause me to LOL.

And yes, I watch every game, and have attended several. But no, I'm not a season ticket holder.

2/15/2010 8:21:44 AM

let's hire P Sherman of 42 Wallaby Way

2/15/2010 8:52:12 AM

Its amazing how this thread has gotten to 175 pages (and surely more to come).

Are all of our losses this year attributable to Sid? Most likely not.

Is Sid going to be at NCSU next year? Most likely.

Is this thread accomplishing anything? Nothing of positive significance.

And if that's the case, why continue to bitch and gripe where the recruits, media and the like can read it?

MrLuvaLuva85's post and Harrow's post inspired me to be more careful about what I post regarding NCSU athletics.

2/15/2010 5:04:56 PM

God, I hope recruits read TWW

2/15/2010 5:07:28 PM

if i was a 17 year old kid in the internet era, i would definitely be googling myself and curious as to how people view me, the college i'm going to, etc

2/15/2010 5:09:44 PM

Quote :

"I really wonder what folks are trying to accomplish by coming to this site and talking so much emotional shit."

Probably the exact same thing you're trying to accomplish by trying your damndest to silver-lining our terrible basketball coach.

Not a damn thing.

2/15/2010 5:25:22 PM

Quote :

""I keep hoping that people realize it does nothing but hurt the team. Nothing good comes of it. Sid is going nowhere next year, no matter how bad some on here want him gone. Sure, nothing wrong with analyzing the game plan, questioning a time-out, etc. But the shit-talking and firing talk is pointless. It will only have negative effects, nothing positive.""

someone pull the plug on the wolfweb.

quick

2/15/2010 5:37:21 PM

if you want to start censoring the internet you better start with those tards over at SFN before messing with tww

2/15/2010 6:13:00 PM