^yeah

2/15/2010 6:39:17 PM

I'd like to think that MOST of the posters on TWW aren't quite as jaded and irrational as the tards over on SFN.

2/15/2010 6:44:49 PM

this is the first time i've sided with them actually

2/15/2010 6:45:32 PM

that's too bad

2/15/2010 6:50:25 PM

Any time you criticize Sidney Lowe, a puppy dies.

Just remember that.

2/15/2010 6:51:40 PM

i think colored blazers are for halloween

2/15/2010 6:52:12 PM

Puppy dead. Look what you've done.

2/15/2010 6:53:18 PM

i wish i had an alias

i'd post something negative right now

2/15/2010 6:57:19 PM

But kruk hath been freèd

2/15/2010 7:08:27 PM

I'm not as worried about TWW. Nobody takes anything posted here seriously.

SFN on the other hand, although nobody with any experience in the NC State intarweb blogosphere takes them seriously, they do come across as being more legit just from the site setup. They're fucking retarded, as are most of the posters here and on packpride, but you get my point. I do wish they would go away.

[Edited on February 15, 2010 at 7:52 PM. Reason : ]

2/15/2010 7:52:09 PM

i come to tww for the humor.

2/15/2010 7:55:15 PM

somebody let me borrow $5

2/15/2010 8:46:34 PM

^^as do most sane people

2/15/2010 10:13:08 PM

ryan harrows post FTW! Goodnight post.

2/15/2010 11:43:32 PM

why do people hate on the red blazer? it's not a Sidney Lowe thing; it's an NC State thing. Look at our past and others have worn it. It's part of our tradition, stop hating on Lowe for trying to bring some of that back to our university

2/16/2010 12:07:10 AM

Lets party like we did from 1996 to 2006!





[Edited on February 16, 2010 at 12:26 AM. Reason : e]

2/16/2010 12:17:52 AM

well, we were dancing back then.

2/16/2010 8:55:34 AM

we weren't dancing in 97, 98, 99, 00, or 01, remember?

2/16/2010 9:35:56 AM

at least we were making the friggin nit most of those years.

2/16/2010 10:30:58 AM

I hope our fan base will hold together

Quote :

"I want to see the Wolfpack turn into a quality team that goes to the tournament more times than not. It'd be nice to be able to mention three programs when talking about why Tobacco Road is the best area in the country for college hoops, instead of two."

ugh. i feel sick


[Edited on February 16, 2010 at 11:47 AM. Reason : d]

2/16/2010 11:32:13 AM

this year those two are Duke and Wake

2/16/2010 11:52:49 AM

Quote :

" we weren't dancing in 97, 98, 99, 00, or 01, remember?"

How many times are you going to mention this?

I can't believe Herb couldn't make the NCAAs with Jeremy Hyatt!

[Edited on February 16, 2010 at 12:01 PM. Reason : Herb's first 4 years still > Lowe's with less talent]

2/16/2010 12:00:42 PM

i'll mention it as many times as people mention making it to the touney 5 years straight.

And who's fault was it that he only had hyatt? You're telling me he couldn't recruit better than hyatt his first 5 years? Now who's fault is that?

Whatever boozie, your "arguments" have proven you're uncredible, time and again.

2/16/2010 12:16:48 PM

Quote :

"Whatever boozie, your "arguments" have proven you're uncredible, time and again."

Yeah man you're right. Sid just keeps proving me wrong. We've gotten better as the season has went along.

If he lands CJL and still doesn't make the NCAAs next year will you finally admit he's not the right fit?

[Edited on February 16, 2010 at 12:22 PM. Reason : ^Kinda like how Lowe is a great recruiter and yet many of you still use the talent excuse?]

2/16/2010 12:18:48 PM

I'm not even talking about whether Sid is the right fit or not. I don't know about that, I'm just saying he's going to be here next year and the fans need to give him a chance. I think he'll be able to turn it around, but i don't know, but i'm going to be patient for now and see.

My statement was more about your flawed logic and irrational rants.

Quote :

"^Kinda like how Lowe is a great recruiter and yet many of you still use the talent excuse"

Exactly my point. You constantly bash this excuse when given for Lowe, then use it to support Sendeck? Kinda hypocritical, dontcha think?

2/16/2010 12:27:16 PM

The point is Lowe is landing higher ranked recruits in his first four years than Sendek did and losing more. Herb didn't land a 4* recruit like Smith or a 5* like Hickson for several years. I mean you guys are all about a good point guard being here and Herb never had one, which is his fault for not getting anyone better than Gainey/Atsur/Crawford/Archie.

There's no C in Sendek BTW.

2/16/2010 12:31:24 PM

someone convince me that we don't have the worst backcourt in the ACC

then tell me how another coach could do any better with this current lineup

while you're at it, is there anyone other than Smith who would get significant minutes for any other team in the ACC

[Edited on February 16, 2010 at 12:48 PM. Reason : .]

2/16/2010 12:46:24 PM

Quote :

"someone convince me that we don't have the worst backcourt coach in the ACC"

Hewitt is worse in-game but he lands talent to overcome it. I guess that's what we are going for with Lowe. Enough talent to overcome lack of coaching. Hell Roy has 2 rings doing that.

^Javi was soooo good earlier in the season too.

2/16/2010 12:49:29 PM

"enough talent to overcome lack of coaching"

again, how are you so certain that lowe is such a bad coach when he has had bad players to coach? if you have the worst guards in the ACC, how the hell are you supposed to even compete as much as we have this year? college bball comes down to guard play...worst guards in conference = worst record in conference...next year we have 2 5-star guards coming in...why cant you wait until then to see how good or bad a coach lowe is?

and javi is just like everybody else on this team other than smith: inconsistent

Harrow already called you out, don't make Lo Brown do it too

[Edited on February 16, 2010 at 12:52 PM. Reason : lol brown]

2/16/2010 12:50:58 PM

God forbid you blame any of that inconsistency on Lowe.

Look the talent argument won't be an issue next year.

If we win next year I'll gladly eat it, but I've seen enough of Lowe that I don't see it happening.

2/16/2010 12:53:18 PM

god forbid you ever blame any of that inconsistency on the players

for as much shit as you give people for your perception of them blindly defending lowe, etc, you sure do blindly bash lowe about everything that ever goes wrong with our team

thats just as bad

[Edited on February 16, 2010 at 12:55 PM. Reason : .]

2/16/2010 12:54:37 PM

Haha the players argument. Ok BigEgo, it's all those damn players fault!

Every game Lowe has a great gameplan and our players fuck it up.

LOL I can't criticize Lowe but TWW can criticize our players.

2/16/2010 12:55:46 PM

no you're right, every game lowe draws up a boneheaded gameplan, and our players only reason for not executing is lowe doesnt motivate them enough

the sad thing is you dont realize that your perspective is just as ignorant as the people you bash

its a motherfucking team sport...win or lose, as a team, players, coaches, etc

all you do is blame lowe for everything, and the players for nothing

how many ACC teams can you name that have less talent than us this year?

omg we missed an open 3 at the buzzer to lose, thats all lowe's fault

omg we shoot a terrible FT% and let a game slip by, thats 100% lowe's fault

[Edited on February 16, 2010 at 12:58 PM. Reason : etc]

2/16/2010 12:57:42 PM

^^ because THEY are the ones out there missing shot after shot

[Edited on February 16, 2010 at 1:00 PM. Reason : ^]

2/16/2010 12:59:19 PM

I see all that but Lowe is the one getting paid for the output, and like it or not he is the one responsible. Even in the pro's where the players get paid, the coach is ultimately the one that everything is judged on.

1) Virginia has less talent than us....Bennett is an amazing coach. I didn't see them winning 3 ACC games

2) These are Lowe's players once again so nobody to blame but himself and LF

[Edited on February 16, 2010 at 1:01 PM. Reason : fuck Fowler]

2/16/2010 1:00:31 PM

Our team sucks and our coach sucks.

Hopefully both will be better next year. But I've been an NC State fan since birth...so I won't be holding my breath.

2/16/2010 1:00:37 PM

Talent is subjective, but here is our roster breakdown.

5* - 0
4* - 3
3* - 6
Below - 2

Clemson and Boston College are the only teams in the ACC that I can see with that poor of a roster composition in terms of raw scouted talent...

[Edited on February 16, 2010 at 1:03 PM. Reason : subjective... ^^ UVa is about even too]

2/16/2010 1:01:40 PM

i'll give you Virginia...Landesburg and Tracy Smith are about the only consistently good players on each team

so by your logic, we should be in 11th place, not 12th

^BC maybe...not Clemson though...by the eye test, they just look like a better team than us

[Edited on February 16, 2010 at 1:02 PM. Reason : .]

2/16/2010 1:02:05 PM

hey remember earlier in the year when all you guys argued that FT shooting had no correlation to the coach?

then lowe said they were working on it more in practice and suddenly it improved from god awful to barely acceptable?

Quote :

"I didn't see them winning 3 ACC games"

to be fair they currently have 3 acc wins and 2 SoCon wins

[Edited on February 16, 2010 at 1:03 PM. Reason : ]

2/16/2010 1:02:56 PM

Quote :

"^BC maybe...not Clemson though...by the eye test, they just look like a better team than us"

I don't think Purnell is a very good coach (10+ years and NO NCAA tourney wins) but he has turned a lesser caliber recruited roster* in to a bigger winner than a lot of other ACC schools.

* I can't think of a good way to say that but I think you get it.

2/16/2010 1:03:55 PM

maybe Booker is so good that it warps my perception of Clemson as a team

but a coach can only do so much...there comes a point when players have to execute and make plays

i see that as being a much bigger problem than coaching this year

you could obviously argue that its on Lowe to bring in the talent, which is 100% true...in which case, lets see what he can do next year, with his best team to date (according to high school ratings)

[Edited on February 16, 2010 at 1:06 PM. Reason : .]

2/16/2010 1:04:54 PM

Quote :

"then lowe said they were working on it more in practice and suddenly it improved from god awful to barely acceptable?"

seriously? you think they weren't shooting well b/c coach wasn't making them take enough FTs in practice?

2/16/2010 1:06:00 PM

no, I think it wasn't coached properly in practice before. Maybe they just ignored it, maybe they didnt focus on it enough. It's just like everything else. You can't make Julius Mays good at breaking the press but you can make him better at it. You can't make Josh Davis shoot 80% from the free throw line but you can make him better at it. The players have to have the motivation to work on it on their own of course, but theyve gotta be motivated to do it as well

2/16/2010 1:08:46 PM

Quote :

"God forbid you blame any of that inconsistency on Lowe. Look the talent argument won't be an issue next year. If we win next year I'll gladly eat it, but I've seen enough of Lowe that I don't see it happening."

So you're blaming the fact that a kid (Javi) who plays great one game and then disappears the next is on Lowe?...Fair enough. Care to explain how that's Lowe's fault?...And if you say motivation, I'm going to need you to elaborate, because I seriously doubt Lowe decided to scrap the motivational techniques that were making Javi play awesome earlier this year in favor of those that make him play crappy.

At the end of the day, the players have to make plays. Javi had a chance to tie the Ga. Tech game up with ~8 seconds left but missed an uncontested 12-foot jumper. Is that on Lowe?...Or how about the fact that Wood is having his worst shooting season on record? You could argue that the defense in the ACC is a lot harder than what he's seen before, but he's missing wide-open shots as frequently as contested ones.

Having the team unprepared is definitely on the coach, but it's hard to expect him to know prior to a game that Javi is going to be in a funk or that Wood is going to miss every shot he throws up, which is what it sounds like you're arguing. I'm not saying Lowe hasn't made mistakes, one of those being playing Horner so much, but predicting when his team is going to play well and when it's not is asking a lot of any coach.

[Edited on February 16, 2010 at 1:12 PM. Reason : quote]

2/16/2010 1:11:43 PM

sorry, i think that's a real weak argument. they weren't hitting free throws b/c they weren't properly coached in practice? if a player sucks at free throws, i'd say it's their repsonsibily to practice and try to get better. i'm no coach, but i wouldn't think that's something the coach would need to spend a whole lot of time on.

2/16/2010 1:11:51 PM

Quote :

"So you're blaming the fact that a kid (Javi) who plays great one game and then disappears the next is on Lowe?"

NC State is the only team in the NCAA with inconsistent players

[Edited on February 16, 2010 at 1:13 PM. Reason : ^as a coach, i would expect my players to not turn the ball over like hotcakes. id still fix it tho]

2/16/2010 1:13:06 PM

damn you Sidney for not motivating our players enough on successfully defending 75' shots

that Florida loss is all Lowe's fault

2/16/2010 1:14:58 PM

Here, I'll give you an example. Tony Bennett, who I do not think is some god of coaching, but is at least someone with a plan took over a Virginia team that last year was 114th in offensive steal percentage (aka getting your cookies taken from you) and 235th in defensive steal percentage (taking the cookies from someone else). Now, you can't make Javi not turnover prone. But what you can do, is make him not turn the ball over 1 out of every 3 plays. This year, Virginia is 17th in offensive% and 141st in defensive. Some of that is Landesberg going from a good player his freshman year to a great player his soph, but nearly every player on the UVa team has improved as well. Are you telling me all the players just happened to work on that on their own?

[Edited on February 16, 2010 at 1:21 PM. Reason : ^i still lol @ that example. every team loses games at the last second. how many lose to unc by 14?]

2/16/2010 1:20:18 PM

Landesburg is the catalyst for all of those other players


Look at Ed Davis,

his numbers are decent this season but with lawson dishing the ball to him last year, he was putting up stout numbers, with talks of him going Top 5 in the draft.


Definately not hearing that this year (pre-wrist break)

2/16/2010 1:22:31 PM

look, winning basketball games in college is some combination of coaching and players' talent. it shades heavily towards the talent side. however, it is not ENTIRELY the players as most of you are trying to delude yourselves into thinking

2/16/2010 1:26:57 PM