Quote :

"^So I should install CM10 4.1.1 on my S3? The one issue I worry about about going to CM is battery life. Anyone running it on an S3?"

Installed the CM10 nightlies on my vzw s3 today. Obviously haven't had a ton of time to play yet but I like it so far. I'm really not a fan of SenseUI and had been debating buying a Galaxy Nexus now that 4.1 is out for it. Coming from an iPhone, the stability just hasn't been there in the stock ROM. So far, CM10 has given me what I expected after experiencing JB on my Nexus 7 so hopefully that will continue. I'm only planning to update every several days right now depending on additions/fixes in the latest builds (so far I haven't found any problems on mine).

9/25/2012 11:27:25 PM

CM10 M1 is just showing 4G on mine not 4G LTE. I'm assuming it's the same thing. AT&T's 4G was really only hspda+. Other than that I like JB. Seems to be working smoothly.

9/25/2012 11:31:44 PM

On CM10 on my One X it shows 4G for LTE and H for HSPA+

9/26/2012 12:41:10 AM

On AT&T?

9/26/2012 8:51:36 AM

First impressions are CM10 seems a little bland compared to touchwiz. Going to have to mess with the dial and messaging apps to make them look nicer. Otherwise everything is pretty nice. Love the additional customizing options.

9/26/2012 10:10:46 AM

Thoughts??

http://www.wired.com/business/2012/09/reviews-column-saving-android/

9/26/2012 1:08:41 PM

Ridiculous.

9/26/2012 1:11:29 PM

^^ that article is stupid

Quote :

"So unless your phone says “Nexus” on it, you’re not running true Android."

and this is like saying that if you bought your computer from dell, you're not running "true" microsoft windows 7

don't get me wrong, i've yet find improvement in any manufacturers' UIs and so i stick to AOSP ROMs...the result is a faster, more power-efficient device

but a large part of the appeal of android is its open source-ness and the ability to turn it into an experience that can differ from person to person (something apple has no interest in doing)...i'm sure some people PREFER touchwiz or sense and for them, they're very happy that samsung or HTC customized their android phone

Quote :

"Android apps are going to remain second-rate or warmed-over versions of what’s available in Apple’s App Store."

this is laughable

the only thing the author got right is the bit about bloatware...yep, the manufacturers keep throwing their trash onto the phone and it takes up space, uses more memory, and offers few (if any) advantages...but that's part of why the "bloated" phones are cheaper than a "pure" google phone or apple iphone

[Edited on September 26, 2012 at 1:22 PM. Reason : .]

9/26/2012 1:20:08 PM

No it would be more like saying, "unless you bought your phone from any of the vendors that sell them, you're not running true windows phone 7." Microsoft had that locked down, too much so even which is why they relaxed it some for windows phone 8. Average consumer isn't going to mess with ROMs or anything.

9/26/2012 1:27:15 PM

^ i don't understand your post

i don't mean that sarcastically, i just don't understand how windows with dell bloatware is NOT similar to android with HTC bloatware...or that a windows install without the bloatware is NOT similar to an AOSP android ROM

in any case, most consumers aren't going to bother with installing a fresh copy of windows...just like they're not going to bother with installing an AOSP ROM

most consumers take what they're given and stop there...that hasn't kept people from buying dell/hp/gateway/whatever computers running windows and it won't keep people from buying HTC/LG/motorola/whatever phones running android

[Edited on September 26, 2012 at 1:42 PM. Reason : .]

9/26/2012 1:36:55 PM

Yeah, that's a really stupid article. The only real problem with manufacturer customizations is that it increases the lag time between Google releasing a new version of the OS and getting it pushed to your phone.

9/26/2012 4:10:50 PM

ah 7 by 7 icons is a tad bit small.

9/26/2012 4:14:41 PM

I still get this dumb "slideshow" thing every time somebody sends me a pic with text

does anybody actually prefer that to normal gallery-style viewing?

9/26/2012 5:05:57 PM

Quote :

"i don't mean that sarcastically, i just don't understand how windows with dell bloatware is NOT similar to android with HTC bloatware...or that a windows install without the bloatware is NOT similar to an AOSP android ROM"

Because SenseUI, TouchWiz, and the rest are not just bloatware. They're deep level customizations. It's a lot closer to the differences between Windows 7 and Windows Vista. You can do the same things on them but it's going to take the average user a little while to figure out how when they switch. Whenever I send out a new phone at work, I ALWAYS have to answer questions for the first few days along the lines of "my old phone did this, can I not do it on this one?"

As for the article, it's reaching to say that Android must be saved yet but, otherwise, it's pretty accurate imo. I used Android for a couple of years before switching to iPhone. About 2 months ago, I switched back to a Galaxy S3. There's still a big difference between them and the problem mostly lies with the OEM. I *love* stock JB on the Nexus 7. Until I installed CM10 on my S3 yesterday, I was looking to trade it for a Galaxy Nexus or new iPhone. I love the customization that you can do with Android but the OEMs and carriers (esp. Verizon) fuck it up. Now that Google has bought Moto, hopefully there'll be a lot more Nexus style devices coming that can really help Android improve. As for the apps, I again find his statement fairly true. I can see a big difference between the overall quality of iPhone apps and Android. It's much MUCH easier to find a GOOD iPhone app than with Android. I'd venture a guess and say that most of that has to do with the limited testing and overall lower budget required for iOS dev work but that's purely a guess. If so, a group of "naked" Moto devices would help tremendously.

9/26/2012 6:43:16 PM

Touctouchwiz sucks

9/26/2012 7:07:45 PM

Does anyone really know what Google's intentions are with Motorola? Was it just to acquire patents? I ask because I recently replaced one of my lines with a Photon 4g. It auto updated (at least that's what I'm going with) OTA that quite permanently locked down the bootloader. In 5 minutes I went from having a device that ran Ubuntu to some extremely mediocre 2.3.5 crippled phone at best functioning with a De-Blurred and rooted (luckily) quasi-stock rom. Fucking sucks.

9/26/2012 7:11:18 PM

Quote :

"Touctouchwiz sucks"

See I don't fully share this view. I have both a CM10 and Touchwiz rom I've been switching back and forth on and the only things I dislike about the Touchwiz/stock rom are the JB features in the CM10 rom. There's really not many touchwiz features that can't be turned off and truthfully I like the stock dialer and messaging app on touchwiz much better than the bland one included with a vanilla JB install. Now I haven't seen a JB touchwiz rom yet so I don't know what my impressions of that will but for now I'm sticking with Touchwiz on 4.0. I found too many bugs playing with CM10 M1 on my s3 for a couple days.

9/26/2012 9:46:16 PM

Quote :

"Touctouchwizall OEM skins suck"

stock ICS ftw

9/26/2012 10:31:59 PM

Yeah no. Most people I know who run a stock ICS/JB build run Go SMS/Launcher or Apex launcher on top of it with heavy customization. I don't see how that's different than a touchwiz or the like build. Vanilla JB is just too bland for me.

9/26/2012 11:06:58 PM

Because you can customize it exactly how you want it?

I run stock ICS and don't use a 3rd party launcher...what am i missing out on?

Also OEM skins affect way more than just the launcher right?

9/26/2012 11:21:57 PM

I run Apex but it's just because I like a 5x7 grid. I much prefer the rest of stock JB/ICS to TW/Sense/etc.

9/27/2012 12:14:21 AM

I don't know how much is Cyanogen/Trebuchet and how much is stock 4.x but I haven't seen a use for a launcher since CM6 and ADW. They were pretty much a necessity back then but on ICS I'm all like You get a folder! You get a folder! You get a folder! WIIIIIDGGGETTTTTSSSSS!!!!

When I get bored, I'll do some Minimalistic Text configurations, but then I wipe data/flash without backing them up and just end up filling my home screen with icons again.

[Edited on September 27, 2012 at 1:19 AM. Reason : ]

9/27/2012 1:16:47 AM

Quote :

"Because you can customize it exactly how you want it?"

What do you mean? You mean without a launcher? I guess I'm getting confused as to what CM10 added to JB versus what's stock. I do remember on the Nexus 7 the customization options in JB were pretty limited compared to a launcher like Apex or Go Launcher.

Quote :

"I run stock ICS and don't use a 3rd party launcher...what am i missing out on?"

All the customization options with the various launchers and apps. For example you can't (afaik) change any of the color settings in the messaging or dial apps in JB without downloading an additional launcher to run on top of JB. One of the things I didn't like about CM10 on my S3 was I was stuck with the ugly white messaging app and ugly dialer. I liked the Touchwiz ones and with JB I was forced to download Go SMS and Go Dialer to make any changes to the background.

Quote :

"Also OEM skins affect way more than just the launcher right?"

Not really. If you install a launcher (like Apex launcher) on top of Touchwiz you can revert it back to an ICS look.

Take this review for example:

http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/13/2945121/what-is-with-all-the-touchwiz-hate

Quote :

"I went exhaustively through TouchWiz looking for ways it leaves out ICS features. Or things it makes worse. Other than a few aesthetics, I couldn't find any. Everything else about the phone is exactly like stock ICS. TouchWiz doesn't kill your pet, or ruin your experience. Samsung has managed to take tons of ICS improvements and present them in a way that a user of TouchWiz from the past 2 years won't be lost. TouchWiz has always been light compared to Sense or Blur. And in ICS it gets out of your way so you can enjoy the improvements."

Quote :

"I know that many of the things TouchWiz add that stock ICS doesn't can be replicated with apps from the play store. But, with TouchWiz they are all free, and reliable. I can't ever find free apps that are reliable to add this kind of functionality."

I'm just making the point that Touchwiz is rather light and it doesn't necessarily detract anything from ICS it just enhances it and if you don't like the enhancements then:

A. turn them off (which is easy to do)
B. grab a launcher and make it look just like ICS or whatever you want.

I just think going to the trouble of running a buggy CM10 build simply to "start from scratch" and THEN load launchers on top of that is just silly. Just use what you have. Touchwiz doesn't take anything away from ICS and probably won't with JB either.

9/27/2012 9:57:55 AM

Quote :

"^ i don't understand your post "

i shifted the conversation to Microsoft's product for phones instead of computers for a better comparison and showed how Android had problems

9/27/2012 10:59:03 AM

Quote :

"What do you mean? You mean without a launcher? I guess I'm getting confused as to what CM10 added to JB versus what's stock. I do remember on the Nexus 7 the customization options in JB were pretty limited compared to a launcher like Apex or Go Launcher. "

I've got a GNex. Isn't that stock ICS? I can customize that however I want. What am I missing here?

Quote :

"For example you can't (afaik) change any of the color settings in the messaging or dial apps in JB without downloading an additional launcher to run on top of JB."

I also use GoSMS, but I'm happy with the my dialer *shrug*.

I just don't see what's so positive about the skins. I prefer to start from scratch and add enhancements that I desire, versus having to turn off ones that I don't.

Lastly when I picked up my friends brand new Galaxy S3, it felt busy as shit, with all sorts of shit I wasn't familiar with, even though we were running the same version of ICS. I imagine if I used it for a few hours I'd get more used to it, but I just like the simplicity of my stock install + whatever I add in.

9/27/2012 4:21:03 PM

Quote :

"when I picked up my friends brand new Galaxy S3, it felt busy as shit, with all sorts of shit I wasn't familiar with, even though we were running the same version of ICS."

this is my feeling as well. i'm getting used to it, and touchwiz isn't terrible, it's just different. but I prefer my ice cream sandwich to be "vanilla"

btw does anyone else with an S3 share my frustration with this MMS slideshow thing? I think it's outdated and samsung needs to get with the program. i never had this problem with the NS4G...

9/27/2012 8:43:20 PM

^Yes I noticed that as well. Haven't tried investigating yet though.

9/28/2012 10:20:14 AM

Quote :

"the OEMs and carriers (esp. Verizon) fuck it up."

I have found since going to a galaxy nexus, the overall experience doesn't get bogged down, things don't crash, and I get FAR better battery life because I don't have a ton of data leakeage (came from moto blur).

I was ready to head back to windows phone until I tried a friend's nexus.

Also, google largely bought motorola to protect their mobile hardware supply chain since apple can flex and choke it out pretty easily

9/28/2012 10:56:32 AM

Yeah see I just went in and disabled any AT&T/Samsung stuff I didn't need. The only other component of Touchwiz was the launcher which most people use a launcher like Go Launcher or Apex anyway and after using both Touchwiz seems a lot more stable and less buggy than the free alternatives.

9/28/2012 11:15:17 AM

Quote :

"most people use a launcher like Go Launcher or Apex anyway and after using both Touchwiz seems a lot more stable and less buggy than the free alternative"

What's so wrong with the stock one? I guess I can see wanting to fit 5 icons on your launcher bar, or squeeze more icons on your home page (though ICS folders pretty much take care of this concern)...but is there something else that I don't know about?

9/28/2012 12:34:33 PM

No the stock JB launcher on CM10 was fine for me.

Although after installing Apex on my S3 it looks identical to a stock ICS install. A lot easier than dealing with buggy CM builds.

9/28/2012 1:10:41 PM

I got a System Update this morning on my Galaxy III. It appeared to have updated the kernel. I assume in preparation for dat Jelly bean?!

9/28/2012 6:58:28 PM

I'm loving jelly bean.

9/28/2012 8:31:12 PM

FALSE ALARM

My update was to patch an exploit.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2010622/update-your-samsung-galaxy-siii-now-or-you-might-lose-all-of-your-data.html

9/28/2012 10:57:41 PM

I hate JB and wish I could downgrade back.

9/29/2012 11:24:35 AM

^ why can't you?

9/29/2012 1:03:02 PM

How do I? I went through settings and cant find anything that would let me downgrade the OS.

Jelly Bean has managed to :
break my work email sync (only syncs on WiFi now)
foxfi tethering is gone
if i send anyone an SMS picture it deletes them from my contacts

9/29/2012 1:21:54 PM

^

1.) root
2.) download stock ICS (or ICS ROM of your choice)
3.) install
4.) ...
5.) profit

for more information: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1828061

9/29/2012 4:51:14 PM

^

1.) root
2.) download stock ICS (or ICS ROM of your choice
3.) install
4.) ...
5.) profit

for more information: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1828061

9/29/2012 4:51:14 PM

^

1.) root
2.) download stock ICS (or ICS ROM of your choice)
3.) install
4.) ...
5.) profit

for more information: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1828061

9/29/2012 4:51:14 PM

^

1.) root
2.) download stock ICS (or ICS ROM of your choice)
3.) install
4.) ...
5.) profit

for more information: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1828061

9/29/2012 4:51:14 PM

^

1.) root
2.) download stock ICS (or ICS ROM of your choice)
3.) install
4.) ...
5.) profit

for more information: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1828061

9/29/2012 4:51:15 PM

^

1.) root
2.) download stock ICS (or ICS ROM of your choice)
3.) install
4.) ...
5.) profit

for more information: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1828061

9/29/2012 4:51:15 PM

^

1.) root
2.) download stock ICS (or ICS ROM of your choice)
3.) install
4.) ...
5.) profit

for more information: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1828061

9/29/2012 4:51:15 PM

^

1.) root
2.) download stock ICS (or ICS ROM of your choice)
3.) install
4.) ...
5.) profit

for more information: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1828061

9/29/2012 4:51:15 PM

^

1.) root
2.) download stock ICS (or ICS ROM of your choice)
3.) install
4.) ...
5.) profit

for more information: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1828061

9/29/2012 5:02:53 PM

^

1.) root
2.) download stock ICS (or ICS ROM of your choice)
3.) install
4.) ...
5.) profit

for more information: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1828061

9/29/2012 5:45:43 PM

I gave my Xoom to my little nephew for his birthday, lost interest in it. To heavy/buky and wont hold a charge.

9/29/2012 5:47:11 PM

Just noticed that Nova Launcher Prime is currently .25c in today's sale. Someone must have read the page of debate going on in this thread about launchers...lol

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teslacoilsw.launcher.prime

9/30/2012 9:30:19 PM

this utorrent app is pretty sweet, saves you the hassle of DLing on a computer, transferring, etc

10/1/2012 1:56:11 PM