jocristian All American 7527 Posts user info edit post |
If it's true this team is beefing with DSJ, then fuck them. He has been about as unselfish as possible over the last handful of games (IIRC, he leads the ACC in assists this season) as the best offensive player in the league.
From my perspective, DSJ is the lone bright spot this season and I don't have alot of hope for next season without a new coach. 2/6/2017 9:53:07 AM |
Dynasty2004 Bawls 5859 Posts user info edit post |
#sources 2/6/2017 10:05:42 AM |
Maverick1024 All American 4866 Posts user info edit post |
Smith isn't perfect. He loses focus on defense. He's slow to see plays develop and find the open guy. He takes long, lazy jumpers on the regular. And his surprisingly bad FT shooting late in games has cost us a few times.
That said, he's the best player on the court and the only real threat we have. He's like Michael Jordan on the Space Jam team. You have to run everything through him, or you won't have a chance.
I don't buy that the team has turned on him, but it wouldn't surprise me either. Everybody wants a scapegoat when things go bad, and since Smith is the "leader," it falls on him. Plus I think it's obvious that Gott plays favorites with him.
Whatever. Screw this year. Screw this team. Screw all 2/6/2017 10:29:41 AM |
Bobby Light All American 2650 Posts user info edit post |
Looks like Gott found a new job coaching the Atlanta Falcons! He did an excellent job in the second half last night. 2/6/2017 10:37:07 AM |
ViolentMAW All American 4127 Posts user info edit post |
Me: Quote : | "Has Giglio compiled a list of worst defenses in the ACC games over the past 30 or so years yet? Get on that man." |
http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/article130975424.html
Thank you Andrew Carter.2/6/2017 7:06:33 PM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27850 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Plus I think it's obvious that Gott plays favorites with him" |
Gott always plays favorites. It's why Rowan plays 35 minutes a game.2/6/2017 7:10:28 PM |
HCH All American 3895 Posts user info edit post |
^You mean our best outside shooter? 2/7/2017 10:27:35 AM |
ncsuallday Sink the Flagship 9818 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Faith that Mark Gottfried is the right man for the job at N.C. State: The victory at Duke seemed like it could have been a season-saver. Now, after three consecutive losses, it seems like forever ago. Things can change but the future looks bleak for coach Gottfried and his program." |
Quote : | "And then there’s N.C. State, which has managed to stymie the power of adjectives that dare try, often futilely, to describe the Wolfpack’s defensive misery. Bad, porous, abominable, dreadful – those words all fit N.C. State’s defense. And yet they don’t quite do it justice, either." |
Quote : | "From the 2006-07 to now, there have been 144 ACC teams. According to kenpom.com only one – 2013-14 Boston College – finished a season with a worse defensive efficiency rating than N.C. State’s current 108.1 (meaning the Wolfpack allows about 1.08 points per possession). The Wolfpack still has seven regular-season games, too, to make some dubious history." |
damn.2/7/2017 11:12:17 AM |
GingaNinja All American 7177 Posts user info edit post |
LETS GO FOR THE RECORD!!!!!!!!!!11!! 2/7/2017 11:14:55 AM |
wdprice3 BinaryBuffonary 45912 Posts user info edit post |
hold muh beer 2/7/2017 11:27:04 AM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
2/7/2017 11:43:28 AM |
packboozie All American 17452 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "^You mean our best outside shooter?" |
Lol Dorn shoots the same percent from 3, Terry nearly the same, and both are easily better overall FG%.
Plus we don't run plays for those two. If you look at NBA style advanced stats, his PER, true shooting, and effective %s are all lower than Dorn/Henderson as well. Sure he is the best FT shooter, but he doesn't get to the line. His FTR is 0.142.
All of that is fine and argue it, but he is still the worst defender on the worst defensive team in ACC history.2/7/2017 2:40:14 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25537 Posts user info edit post |
dorn has been pretty bad lately. probably hasn't been able to get in a rhythm with inconsistent playing time. but he's shot way less 3s than Mav...hard to compare their percentages. 2/7/2017 3:18:19 PM |
BanjoMan All American 9609 Posts user info edit post |
It just doesn't matter. You can say all you won't about Gott's record, or what our players have done in the past, it is all pointless. This will be the most disappointing season since the Robinson era. 2/7/2017 3:22:23 PM |
NCSUMEB All American 2530 Posts user info edit post |
^ Lowe's DFL team with Hickson where GG said "4 losses" was supposed to easily be an ncaaT team. We also didn't beat Duke that year. 2/7/2017 3:25:45 PM |
BanjoMan All American 9609 Posts user info edit post |
Everybody knew that GG was just bumping his chest when he said that. This team has double the talent, MUCH MORE FUCKING DEPTH, and may end up performing worse than they did.
Gott just refuses to play more than a 7 man rotation. It is unreal to have guys like Dorn, Kapita and Johnson just sent on the bench. The GG team had nowhere near that kind of talent and depth.
The season really is that bad. Time to admit that face was right for once.
[Edited on February 7, 2017 at 3:30 PM. Reason : g] 2/7/2017 3:30:37 PM |
ssclark Black and Proud 14179 Posts user info edit post |
And you're convinced the only reason kapita and johnson haven't seen the floor in certain games is because he's stubborn ?
REALLY ?! 2/7/2017 4:23:32 PM |
BanjoMan All American 9609 Posts user info edit post |
yes. After so many seasons (including Alabama), you have never seen him play more than 7 guys. I just don't think that he is capable of that type of complexity.
[Edited on February 7, 2017 at 4:32 PM. Reason : h] 2/7/2017 4:32:39 PM |
ncsuallday Sink the Flagship 9818 Posts user info edit post |
Should Dennis Smith Jr shut it down?
http://www.statefansnation.com/2017/02/dennis-smith-jr-shut/ 2/7/2017 5:24:53 PM |
ssclark Black and Proud 14179 Posts user info edit post |
He should absolutely shut it down. Work on lateral quickness drills and defense in a gym somewhere with a consultant 2/7/2017 5:39:55 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148449 Posts user info edit post |
^^what a stupid question/editorial
comparing some 4 year players sitting out a bowl game to a freshman quitting on his team midseason? gtfo
[Edited on February 7, 2017 at 5:54 PM. Reason : .] 2/7/2017 5:54:04 PM |
ssclark Black and Proud 14179 Posts user info edit post |
"quitting on team" "protecting future" 2/7/2017 6:26:09 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148449 Posts user info edit post |
If anything is gonna hurt his draft stock, it's him thinking he's too good to play the 2nd half of the season 2/7/2017 6:53:44 PM |
jocristian All American 7527 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.statefansnation.com/2017/02/gott-justifiably-on-the-hot-seat/
Good god. I knew the last two years were painful, but I didn't realize we were heading towards a worse last two years than Sid Lowe had. 2/8/2017 3:07:50 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39304 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "it's him thinking he's too good to play the 2nd half of the season" |
this is a total bullshit line of thinking
protecting his future >>>>> playing out the string of a meaningless season
it's not him "thinking he's too good to play the 2nd half of the season
Ben Simmons should have done the same thing last season (he did check out near the end of the season)2/8/2017 3:12:21 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37696 Posts user info edit post |
Yea players should just quit as soon as the season is out of reach. Any team eliminated from the tourney already should forfeit the rest of their games. Not worth the risk. TBH, if you don't have a chance to get AT LEAST a 9 seed, what even is the point? Very unlikely to win it all from there. 2/8/2017 3:43:48 PM |
packboozie All American 17452 Posts user info edit post |
Gott would get major points from me if he started Corchiani Tucker Brickhouse Kirk and Hicks for a game just to send a message that this shit is not okay. But kudos for actually suspending Anya for whatever reason. 2/8/2017 3:44:51 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39304 Posts user info edit post |
^^does every team have a player who will more than likely be a top-5 lottery pick?
[Edited on February 8, 2017 at 3:45 PM. Reason : .] 2/8/2017 3:45:01 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37696 Posts user info edit post |
No but many teams have multiple players that will play some form of pro ball after their college career. Even if not, injuries can cause permanent disabilities. In some ways DSJ has less to lose. Say he tears his ACL, next year he is still in the NBA. A similar injury might totally close that door for a lesser player. 2/8/2017 3:48:18 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39304 Posts user info edit post |
there are a number of catastrophic injuries he could sustain that would end his career and keep him from getting drafted
as was said during the stupid sitting out of a bowl game debate, it's simply a cost-benefit analysis 2/8/2017 3:52:19 PM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27850 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Gott would get major points from me if he started Corchiani Tucker Brickhouse Kirk and Hicks for a game just to send a message that this shit is not okay. But kudos for actually suspending Anya for whatever reason" |
Maybe Gottfried should suspend himself.2/8/2017 3:52:42 PM |
jocristian All American 7527 Posts user info edit post |
On the plus side, DSJ shutting it down would should seal the deal on getting rid of Gott and piss off all the old farts in the expensive seats at the same time which is about the best outcome we could hope for this season.
[Edited on February 8, 2017 at 4:04 PM. Reason : d] 2/8/2017 3:58:01 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37696 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "there are a number of catastrophic injuries he could sustain that would end his career and keep him from getting drafted " |
And there are 100's of other players that could make that same analysis. And again, those player could be more damaged by lesser injuries.
Just look at Cat this year, multiple poorly timed injuries may have cost him a few key chances to make a roster.
With your argument, as soon as you have maximized your ability to get a contract, you should stop playing competitively. You could make the same argument to say DSJ should have skipped the whole season. Heck, Yurt may be wishing he had been declared ineligible.2/8/2017 3:59:39 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39304 Posts user info edit post |
those 100s of other players aren't risking nearly as much as DSJ is
and my argument hinges on the season being a lot cause. he's showcased his talent against collegiate competition plenty this season.
[Edited on February 8, 2017 at 4:05 PM. Reason : .] 2/8/2017 4:03:18 PM |
GingaNinja All American 7177 Posts user info edit post |
While we're on this dumb topic, here's my take. Gott should let DSJ skip most games(except the big ones like UNC) and look ahead to playing those on next season's roster. Win win for both. 2/8/2017 4:05:40 PM |
packboozie All American 17452 Posts user info edit post |
^Yep let Markell run the show and see what the deck holds. PLAY KAPITA! 2/8/2017 4:06:44 PM |
BJCaudill21 Not an alcoholic 8015 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "No but many teams have multiple players that will play some form of pro ball after their college career." |
If you have multiple pros you're probably making the tournament, maybe even fairly easily. Unless your coach is garbage.2/8/2017 4:11:27 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148449 Posts user info edit post |
Maybe players should just skirt the one-and-done rule by sitting out their entire freshman season...
[Edited on February 8, 2017 at 4:21 PM. Reason : Lebron should've sat out his senior year of HS. After all, he could've gotten injured.] 2/8/2017 4:20:19 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39304 Posts user info edit post |
yep
apples and apples 2/8/2017 4:34:55 PM |
ssclark Black and Proud 14179 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " suspending Anya " |
wat ?2/8/2017 4:51:21 PM |
rflong All American 11472 Posts user info edit post |
Maybe all players should quit sports since they might get hurt 2/8/2017 4:53:53 PM |
ssclark Black and Proud 14179 Posts user info edit post |
I mean ... they're adults for the most part, they're welcome to quit whatever they want. 2/8/2017 4:55:59 PM |
synapse play so hard 60939 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "^^what a stupid question/editorial
comparing some 4 year players sitting out a bowl game to a freshman quitting on his team midseason? gtfo" |
[Edited on February 8, 2017 at 5:09 PM. Reason : What precedent is there for a future NBA draftee quitting mid-season to not risk injury?]2/8/2017 5:08:13 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39304 Posts user info edit post |
Ben Simmons went into tank mode late last season
and just because there's no precedent doesn't mean it's stupid
[Edited on February 8, 2017 at 5:20 PM. Reason : not like he's getting paid] 2/8/2017 5:18:02 PM |
JP All American 16807 Posts user info edit post |
what a fucking disaster this season has been 2/8/2017 5:23:51 PM |
packboozie All American 17452 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " suspending Anya " |
Where have you been? Anya didn't travel. Gott left him. Coach Decision is all we know.
[Edited on February 8, 2017 at 7:03 PM. Reason : .]
[Edited on February 8, 2017 at 7:04 PM. Reason : 3 to start the game for FSU lol ]2/8/2017 7:03:13 PM |
ssclark Black and Proud 14179 Posts user info edit post |
was at the hospital all day so couldnt check the news :x 2/8/2017 7:07:23 PM |
Sandman All American 1215 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "My friend who told me the likelihood of the washington and martin twins transfers months before it happened (with proof on tww for both) told me that Gott has completely lost the lockerroom and that players are beefing with dsj. Also mentions if we were to make any non-ncaat tourney, dsj wouldnt play.
Take it all for what its worth. His family is considered "in the know". I told him that I'd talk about it online, he said he didnt care at this point.
Troll away (tt10, bullet, etc)" |
2/8/2017 7:52:44 PM |
packboozie All American 17452 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "#1 state fan ?@gopacknow 36m36 minutes ago @wolfie_pack To all our faithful fans who follow me on twitter: I will address the season after it ends." |
By address I hope she means clean Gott's office to make room for Archie
[Edited on February 8, 2017 at 8:44 PM. Reason : If even Debbie is tweeting things.....]2/8/2017 8:43:25 PM |
BJCaudill21 Not an alcoholic 8015 Posts user info edit post |
Is that her real twitter? 2/8/2017 8:46:07 PM |