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ownership of an iPhone is a requirement to participate? jesus christ, i've been out of Tech Talk for a few days, come back to read up on a few things and comment a bit, and you want to take me to the woodshed for commenting? i'm sorry if you don't like that i'm choosing to participate, and disagree with your view, but i have as much right to post my views here as you do. that includes if you don't like or agree with them. i didn't seek to pick a fight with anyone, but you're doing a bang-up job of turning it into one. chill out.

[Edited on July 17, 2010 at 12:12 AM. Reason : not directed at Bill, he's cool.]

7/17/2010 12:12:18 AM

Participate? You've done nothing but stirred up shit for the sake of shit stirring. Feel free to contribute some actual content to the thread. Otherwise...yeah. Your mouth: shut it.

7/17/2010 12:22:31 AM

Why do you want to pick a fight? My original comment was every bit as valid and "actual content"-y as your "Jobs doesn't answer questions he doesn't like" comment.

7/17/2010 12:26:08 AM

7/17/2010 12:30:05 AM

so back to actual iphone conversation... will a software update be able to fix the proximity issue? or is it a hardware fix?

7/17/2010 2:01:52 AM

Proximity issue is supposedly a software fix coming in the next update according to Jobs in the press conference today but who knows for a while there they were claiming the antenna problem was too

7/17/2010 2:06:56 AM

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omg if that isn't one of those pot calling the kettle black things, i don't know what is

7/17/2010 6:18:01 AM

i agree with el nacho on this one. optimum, you came in here and picked the fight first. that's obvious, just go back and reread that string of posts.

7/17/2010 8:32:15 AM

oh noes, RIM is pissed

http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/rim-co-ceos-pull-no-punches-responding-to-apples-antenna-statem/

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"RIM co-CEOs pull no punches responding to Apple's antenna statements By Chris Ziegler posted Jul 17th 2010 12:56AM Thought Nokia's statement was strongly worded? That was nothing compared to the little tirade put together by RIM co-CEOs Mike Lazaridis and Jim Balsillie -- a pair of dudes known for having some of the bigger mouths (and bigger egos) in the wireless industry -- in direct response to Apple's Friday press conference on antenna issues. Of course, unlike Nokia, Apple made it personal for RIM because it used the Bold 9700 as a demonstration device in its attempt to prove that signal loss was a problem for phones and manufacturers from all walks of life, but Mike and Jim are having none of it. Phrases like "self-made debacle" and "deliberate attempts to distort the public's understanding" should give you an idea of the statement's overall flavor, but basically, they're saying that RIM puts a lot of time, money, and energy into avoiding dropped call issues and that you don't need a case to use any of their phones. Snap! Here's the full statement: "Apple's attempt to draw RIM into Apple's self-made debacle is unacceptable. Apple's claims about RIM products appear to be deliberate attempts to distort the public's understanding of an antenna design issue and to deflect attention from Apple's difficult situation. RIM is a global leader in antenna design and has been successfully designing industry-leading wireless data products with efficient and effective radio performance for over 20 years. During that time, RIM has avoided designs like the one Apple used in the iPhone 4 and instead has used innovative designs which reduce the risk for dropped calls, especially in areas of lower coverage. One thing is for certain, RIM's customers don't need to use a case for their BlackBerry smartphone to maintain proper connectivity. Apple clearly made certain design decisions and it should take responsibility for these decisions rather than trying to draw RIM and others into a situation that relates specifically to Apple.""

7/17/2010 9:26:57 AM

haha, awesome

7/17/2010 9:30:24 AM

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!

7/17/2010 9:37:36 AM

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"omg if that isn't one of those pot calling the kettle black things, i don't know what is"

You can go fuck yourself cowboy.

I've contributed more to this thread than any 10 people on here combined.

Yeah, I get a little too worked up with other people come in here and start shit, but for you to say that I've never contributed anything to this thread is just beyond ignorant. I've been thanked more for my contribution to this thread than anyone else here. And that's a fact.

7/17/2010 11:23:16 AM

^ thank you for that post. Optimum needs a reality check sometimes.

7/17/2010 12:33:06 PM

yeah and i've called out Optimum for being a jerk too

MY point, is that it's laughable for YOU to call somebody else out for stirring the pot when for every thanks you might have received, there's another 10 times where you were argumentative, derailed a thread, or acted like an asshole to somebody

7/17/2010 12:59:57 PM

Your 10:1 ratio is a joke. There's no way it's more than 50:50 at a worst case scenario. And if you remove gloveco from the situation (which thankfully we have now) it's easily 1:10 in favor of helpful and/or informative posts.

We've gone over this in the past, and for some reason you've just got it set in your head that I'm some massive asshole that's only here to stir up shit, but the simple fact of the matter is that I play nice way more often than not. And the times that I don't, I'm still doing it out of some (probably misguided, I'll admit) attempt to actually get the thread back on track/remove the riff raff/whatever. I long ago gave up on trying to please you because no matter how many times I post something helpful, you'll still pick out the times like this to harp on. Thankfully I'm able live my life without your approval.

7/17/2010 1:07:53 PM

people that don't take criticism very well ITT. also lol @ solinari for bringing Soap Box complaints in to Tech Talk.

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7/17/2010 1:56:28 PM

OMG trying to get a binary to upload to the App Store is killing my soul.

7/17/2010 7:57:50 PM

Golovoko is gone, the rest of you quit this childish shit out.

7/18/2010 8:01:49 AM

so i live up off glenwood by rdu and my iphone has had "no service" or no bars for the past 24 hours...

anyone else having any issues? it's like a tower is out or something

7/18/2010 9:21:56 AM

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/07/17/consumer-reports-still-gives-apples-iphone-4-the-big-thumbs-down/

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"Consumer Reports still gives Apple’s iPhone 4 the big thumbs down by Kelly Hodgkins on July 17th, 2010 at 9:01pm Filed under: Apple 152 Comments In response to Apple’s antenna-oriented press event, Consumer Reports responded by refusing to give the Apple iPhone 4 its golden seal of approval. The consumer product ratings company commended Apple for taking a first step in solving the antenna problem but denounced Apple’s case giveaway as a limited and temporary fix. Consumer Reports states: Consumer Reports believes Apple’s offer of free cases is a good first step. However, Apple has indicated that this is not a long-term solution, it has guaranteed the offer only through September 30th, and has not extended it unequivocally to customers who bought cases from third-party vendors. We look forward to a long-term fix from Apple. As things currently stand, the iPhone 4 is still not one of our Recommended models. Consumer Reports joins a growing list of companies, including Nokia and RIM, that are responding in a less than favorable way to Apple’s proposed solution."

7/18/2010 11:00:10 AM

It not overly surprising. Apple at this point has decide not to "fix" the issue and instead to work around it.

That said, aren't they supposed to have some big event in September (that everyone thinks will mark the iPhone on Verizon)? It'd be interesting to see if an "iPhone 4-2" gets made to take the place of the current iPhone.

7/18/2010 12:06:00 PM

I've been waiting for this mess to get sorted out before I upgrade, guess I'll see what september brings.

7/18/2010 2:36:04 PM

^I thought September was just some rumor created by an analyst? It seems pretty certain that AT&T has exclusivity for 5 years, which means no Verizon iPhone until iPhone 6 (which is also when LTE will probably be firmly established).

7/18/2010 5:44:02 PM

Aside from the supply issues, I've been kinda wondering if more people are preferring the bumpers to the traditional back-enclosing cases for the iPhone 4. Is the back glass fine without a cover?

7/18/2010 5:50:53 PM

it doesnt seem like the average iphone buyer would give two shits about what consumer reports says. i don't think i've ever consulted with their magazine/guide/website/whatever before buying anything.

also, steve jobs is a huge tool.

7/18/2010 8:26:57 PM

^You're assuming that the average iPhone buyer is the type of person that would post in the tech talk section of a message board. I think the average iPhone buyer is exactly the type of person that would consult consumer reports before making a purchase, in other words the type of person that has just enough interest in technology to want an iPhone but not enough technical knowledge to make an informed decision for themselves.

Also, Steve Jobs is a huge tool.

7/18/2010 9:03:34 PM

I'd think that the person paying close attention to the Consumer Reports recommendation is the one that's on the fence about buying one, and wants some non-marketing, non-techno-nerd analysis. You're both right, some people are going to buy a new iPhone and don't give a shit about CR, and others are going to use it as as a guide to buy/not-buy. But while most people are only going to take notice of a negative CR report on a hot gadget, few are going to base their buying decision on it. If people were THAT influenced by CR recommendations, Apple would be the #1 laptop seller, since CR consistently rates them #1 for portable computers.

7/18/2010 9:10:24 PM

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September is when Jobs said they would 'reevaluate' the antenna situation.

7/18/2010 10:00:05 PM

hopefully that means they'll start shipping a model with a coated antenna.

7/18/2010 10:01:17 PM

I was at the mall today, and the Apple store was BY FAR the busiest store in the mall. It was pretty mind boggling.

It's amusing that Circuit City/Best Buy/CompUSA for years just ignored Apple, then Apple makes their own store and people flock to it.

And i finally got to see an iPhone 4 in person, and it was very nice. Seemed very well built, and the display models didn't have a single scratch on them.

7/18/2010 11:27:08 PM

^if you thought apple stores were busy now...

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/34185/apple-friend-bar-lonely-fans

7/18/2010 11:43:54 PM

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I thought Apple was the number one laptop manufacturer? In the last 5 years between myself sister and mom we've bought I think 9 Apple laptops. I'm getting ready to upgrade again in a couple of weeks...

7/19/2010 1:19:26 AM

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7/19/2010 3:02:02 AM

Just wanted to add the unimportant comment that I'm waiting for the iPhone 4 to come to Korea. And I heard today tht all the stores in Daegu are out of iPhone 3G(S)s.... Hmmmm

7/19/2010 7:57:49 AM

Do like the rest of the world ... Go to Ebay

[Edited on July 19, 2010 at 8:01 AM. Reason : hangul no likey]

7/19/2010 8:01:21 AM

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95% of the people in there were probably employees. I swear they have 30+ people working at a time.

7/19/2010 8:12:36 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn-YesqzvNk

7/19/2010 8:23:14 AM

The Apple Store is always packed because it's always impossible to find someone to actually buy something from and the Genius Bar is always packed.

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Which is why the situation is so bizarre. They have plenty of employees, but none of them seem to want to sell you anything. It's like they've got a 20 man volunteer squad, but only one guy who actually works there.

[Edited on July 19, 2010 at 8:35 AM. Reason : .]

7/19/2010 8:31:32 AM

^i don't particulary like going into the Apple store but the minute i'm in there i'm asked if I need any help or what i'm looking for. They are all very persistant about getting you to what you want/and or getting you to buy something. I don't know what store you guys are talking about but that's not the case in my experience.

[Edited on July 19, 2010 at 8:55 AM. Reason : s]

7/19/2010 8:55:07 AM

Oh no, I agree. They're very excited to talk to you. Very excited to get you to buy something.

It's just impossible to find the person who can actually check you out despite the "oh, anyone in the store can check you out" thing they tell you.

I watched this happen to atleast 3 people while at the Genius Bar for my iPhone in Crabtree, and then don't even get me started on the clusterfuck that occurred when SandSanta tried to buy a replacement iPhone out of contract in Birmingham. I've never seen so many people who just refused to let the man spend $500.

7/19/2010 9:21:40 AM

http://www.dailygoat.com/2010/07/steve-jobs-americans-oil-spill-offers-bumpers-solve-problem/

7/19/2010 9:23:06 AM

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yeah i've never had this problem at all. they all have iphones or ipod touch's with the scanner things hooked to them that can do everything in regards to checking you out. i've dealt with some weird people there that probably shouldn't be in sales, but never had any problems finding someone that could help me w whatever i needed

7/19/2010 9:28:19 AM

^ ditto

7/19/2010 11:04:04 AM

Every time I've ever gone into the one at Crabtree to buy something, someone has helped me out, but ALWAYS had to find someone else to check me out.

"Great, let me get so and so to check you out."

*Stand around for 10 minutes*

"Oh, you need to be checked out? I can help you with that. Just let me get so and so."

SONOFABITCHIWILLSTABSOMEONEINTHEEYE

7/19/2010 11:05:06 AM

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sorry, i can't help myself.

7/19/2010 1:39:14 PM

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Well, to be honest, a "fix" and this work around are the exact same thing. Even if they recalled all the phones and re-manufactured them all, basically they would put the antenna back under plastic and you would have a built in bumper instead of an external one. The problem is the external antenna in general, fixing it requires covering that antenna. A full recall and "fix" would just be a feel good measure, which isn't to say that Apple couldn't stand to do a little ass kissing, but at the same time, iPhone customers are never satisfied (see the price drop / $100 credit fiasco)

7/19/2010 1:49:05 PM

could you use something like those zagg shields?

7/19/2010 1:49:53 PM

People are working around the issue by using as little as a piece of scotch tape, so as long as the InvisibleShield isn't conductive, I'd imagine it'd be fine.

7/19/2010 2:10:23 PM

they could also make the bottom metal portion not part of the antenna at all.

7/19/2010 2:13:32 PM