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"f you say yes... please explain the two other videos and photos plus analysis from the other "conspiracy theorist" that provide conclusive proof that there was no such cloud in existance prior to the fall of the south tower. "

And please tell us:

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2/25/2004 10:22:42 PM

salisburyboy, you're obviously misunderstanding what is being asked of you, so here goes. He is not asking about the timing of the dust cloud or the "mystery explosion", he is asking about the dust cloud itself and what caused it (tower collapse or "mystery explosion").

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"Here are 2 videos that also cleary illustrate that the white (light gray) cloud you think was an explosion that caused the fall of the tower was in fact the dispersal cloud that resulted AFTER the fall of the South Tower. The first shows you that there was in fact no cloud of smoke before either tower fell (look at all the blue to the right as the camera moves). The second clip shows plain as day THE ENTIRE video (rather than 8 frames like your animation does) of the tower collapse and emergence of a white/light gray puff of smoke where the alleged "explosion" appears. http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/south_2.mpg http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/010912%20-%203rd%20clip.mpg"

msb2ncsu posted these two videos to show that the light grey cloud was caused by the collapse of the tower, not any explosion. And...

http://guardian.911review.org/WTC/Seven/fake-explosion.htm

He posted this link to show that even people that believe similar or the same things you do believe that there was no such "mystery explosion."

That is what he is asking you. He is asking you to admit that you are wrong about the existence of any explosion, not its timing.

Now for god's sake, that is as plain English as I can make it. If you can't answer him now, then you have totally lost all respect I may have possibly had for you as a rational, logical human being, and there is no way that I will even give the smallest hint of consideration for your wild claims, evidence or no.

So once again, here's what msb2ncsu posted:

Quote :

"Yes or No... Does the animated gif show a cloud from a mystery explosion prior to the south tower collapse? If you say yes... please explain the two videos and photos plus analysis from the other "conspiracy theorist" that provide conclusive proof that there was no such cloud in existance prior to the fall of the south tower."

[Edited on February 25, 2004 at 11:25 PM. Reason : ok...my post seriously got screwed up after I posted it, lets try that again...]

2/25/2004 11:22:27 PM

TLC documentary video of south tower collapse...says south tower fell in 11 seconds.

http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/TLC_WTC-2_sim.mpg

video archive: http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/

[Edited on February 25, 2004 at 11:54 PM. Reason : ..]

2/25/2004 11:53:41 PM

Way to avoid the question and post irrelevant material with no point. We all know how long it took the tower to collapse, what we don't know is:

WHAT COULD MAKE A 47 STORY EXPLOSION THAT NOBODY REMEMBERS AND THAT ONLY ONE NEWS OUTLET PICKED UP ON AND IS NOT ON ANY OTHER BIT OF FILM FROM THAT DAY, AND THAT MANAGED TO CAUSE NO DAMAGE TO THE SURROUNDING STURCTURES

Quote :

""Yes or No... Does the animated gif show a cloud from a mystery explosion prior to the south tower collapse? If you say yes... please explain the two videos and photos plus analysis from the other "conspiracy theorist" that provide conclusive proof that there was no such cloud in existance prior to the fall of the south tower.""

2/26/2004 12:41:50 AM

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"TLC documentary video of south tower collapse...says south tower fell in 11 seconds. http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/TLC_WTC-2_sim.mpg video archive: http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/"

haha, he's quoting from the site I gave him. The one that clerly points out the animated gif of the "mystery explosion" is indeed not that but took place after the fall of the South Tower. What a joke.

2/26/2004 12:56:25 AM

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"I will believe that unless evidence shows otherwise."

http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/south_2.mpg
http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/010912%20-%203rd%20clip.mpg
http://guardian.911review.org/WTC/Seven/fake-explosion.htm

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"I refer to my previous answer to the first part....with regard to the second part, I also previously addressed the 2nd video of the 2 you posted (maybe you missed that too)."

You "addressed" the second video (not the rest of it). And you didn't even correctly address the second video. Do you not understand that if you rotate the camera angles appropriately the smoke on the left moves to the right side of the building as the triangle topped building gets closer to the the tower. I think that makes sense.

I think its becoming more clear that he's not ever going to concede a point no matter what we prove. Its sad. I actually thought he was possibly sane and capable of rational thought or at least sound reason, but alas...

2/26/2004 1:01:45 AM

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2/26/2004 2:08:12 AM

uh oh, Hastert has vowed not to extend the life of the 9/11 Commission...

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/02/25/911.commission/index.html

expect another round of posts by salibot

2/26/2004 8:24:11 AM

salisburyboy, you want real links as to what really happened on 9/11?? here ya go. also, go to blockbuster and watch the "documentary of 9/11". this is words from real people that were at the scene, not computer geeks who can make a website.

http://server.firehouse.com/terrorist/

http://server.firehouse.com/news/2002/7/7_P911.html

http://www.nytimes.com/indexes/2002/07/06/nyregion/nyregionspecial/text/index.html

2/26/2004 9:17:51 AM

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"haha, he's quoting from the site I gave him. ---msb2ncsu"

I linked videos from that site (http://www.plaguepuppy.net/) way back on page 12 of this thread. You didn't "give" me anything. Sorry to destroy your apparant need to make yourself feel important.

[Edited on February 26, 2004 at 10:52 AM. Reason : ..]

2/26/2004 10:51:14 AM

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"Sorry to destroy your apparant need to make yourself feel important."

^ look who's calling the kettle black.

[Edited on February 26, 2004 at 10:59 AM. Reason : .]

2/26/2004 10:58:52 AM

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Answer the question and I will stop asking it.

2/26/2004 11:17:01 AM

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"I linked videos from that site (http://www.plaguepuppy.net/) way back on page 12 of this thread. You didn't "give" me anything. Sorry to destroy your apparant need to make yourself feel important."

You missed the fucking point. You are quoting from a source that PROVES YOUR CLAIM WAS WRONG! How difficult is this for you to understand. Its so self-evident that you repeatedly hid behind a trivial comment that someone makes in a post and ignores the rest of the post in its entirety because you know that you have no answer to it. You keep saying that you "responded" but you haven't. You have not answered to the proof that your story and animated gif is bullshit. I know you are looking at this and to yoruself feel like a fucking moron because you've put so much effor into something and realize you got fleeced, but take your medicine like a fucking man.

2/26/2004 11:33:11 AM

site with many photos and analysis: http://home.debitel.net/user/andreas.bunkahle/toce.htm

2/26/2004 12:07:17 PM

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2/26/2004 12:12:30 PM

Broadway Electrical Supply’s Jeff Birnbaum recounts his experience as an EMT at the World Trade Center on 9-11.

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"Birnbaum says what he saw next will stay with him for the rest of his life. “When we got to about 50 ft from the South Tower, we heard the most eerie sound that you would ever hear. A high-pitched noise and a popping noise made everyone stop. We all looked up. At the point, it all let go. The way I see it, it had to be the rivets. The building let go, there was an explosion and the whole top leaned toward us and started coming down. “I stood there for a second in total awe, and then said, ‘What the F_____?’ I honestly thought it was Hollywood. http://september11.ceenews.com/ar/electric_broadway_electrical_supplys/"

2/26/2004 12:28:46 PM

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2/26/2004 12:45:30 PM

Quote :

"The building let go, there was an explosion and the whole top leaned toward us and started coming down."

What the fuck is that supposed to mean? What, you think he's saying that we used bombs after the top portion of the tower started falling off... you know for emphasis?

And again... "explosion" does not mean explosives. Next time you listen to a basketball game and the announcer says "McCants explodes down the middle of the lane for the basket" it doesn't mean he was rigged with C4.

Come on man. Use a little common sense.

[Edited on February 26, 2004 at 12:47 PM. Reason : .]

2/26/2004 12:46:35 PM

salisburyboy

Quote :

"yes that is true, but if someone asks you a logical question, or brings up a good point you should have enough respect for them and answer their questions or points. if you fail to do so, you make yourself look like an even bigger joke than what you already are. many people in this thread, including myself, have made very logical, precise, clear points about the issues you bring up and on most occasions you have chosen to ignore them by either posting something totally irrelevant to what is currently being discussed, or riciculous quotes from no-name individuals that people dont care about. when you do this, you make yourself out to be a disrespectful asshole. if you want people to take you seriously you have to start taking them seriously. and remember, it was YOU who started this thread in the first place. -brianj320"

this proves that YOU ARE A DISRESPECTFUL LITTLE SHIT WHO CANT OWN UP TO THE FACT THAT YOU ARE FUCKING WRONG! YOU GIVE A BAD NAME TO US REAL, TRUE, PATRIOTS OF THIS GREAT COUNTRY. I THINK YOU SHOULD BE HUNG BY YOUR BALLS YOU IGNORANT SHIT. that is all.

[Edited on February 26, 2004 at 12:50 PM. Reason : .]

2/26/2004 12:49:21 PM

Quote :

"YOU GIVE A BAD NAME TO US REAL, TRUE, PATRIOTS OF THIS GREAT COUNTRY. I THINK YOU SHOULD BE HUNG BY YOUR BALLS YOU IGNORANT SHIT. that is all. --brianj320 "

[Edited on February 26, 2004 at 12:53 PM. Reason : ..]

2/26/2004 12:52:58 PM

You respond to that but not to reasonable questions?

I think its becoming quite clear that you are afraid of the truth.

Your senseless posting of quotes are just your attempt to reconcile your fears and feelings of hopelessness and inadequacy. Either get some help or start handling yourself like a man and think for yourself.

[Edited on February 26, 2004 at 12:55 PM. Reason : .]

2/26/2004 12:54:48 PM

THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR COMMON SENSE!!

2/26/2004 2:34:22 PM

Bush briefed by CIA on August 6, five weeks before the attack on the World Trade Center, that an airplane hijacking by terrorists linked to Osama bin Laden was an imminent possibility:

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"The Bush administration has been plunged into a major political crisis following press reports that Bush was briefed on the danger of a terrorist attack involving the hijacking of US airliners more than a month before September 11. Despite the warning, delivered in an intelligence briefing last August, the White House took no action to forestall the deadliest terrorist action in US history, or to warn the public. The revelations of the past 48 hours show, at the very least, that the Bush administration has been concealing information for the past eight months about the circumstances leading up to the terrorist attacks which killed 3,000 people in New York City and Washington. In the days after September 11, Bush administration officials repeatedly characterized the suicide hijackings as a sneak attack for which there had been “no warning.” These statements are now exposed as lies—a fact that inevitably raises the question of why the White House sought to conceal the nature of the warnings it had received. The cover-up began to come apart last week, with the report on CBS News Wednesday night that Bush had received a CIA briefing on August 6, five weeks before the attack on the World Trade Center, which suggested that an airplane hijacking by terrorists linked to Osama bin Laden was an imminent possibility. This prompted an explosion of reporting and commentary in the media Thursday and Friday, and demands for a full-scale congressional inquiry from House and Senate Democratic leaders, as well as sections of the Republican Party. http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/may2002/bush-m18.shtml"

[Edited on February 27, 2004 at 12:31 AM. Reason : ..]

2/27/2004 12:26:34 AM

Hijacking != Suicide Hijacking. And if you can't tell the difference, there's no point in arguing.

2/27/2004 2:12:09 AM

HEY LOOK AT ME... I IGNORE ALL RATIONAL RESPONSES AND REFUSE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON THE GROUNDS THAT IT PROVES I AM A FUCKING ASS HAT!!!1uno1

2/27/2004 1:05:15 PM

The war in Afghanistan was in response to 9/11......right?....so we have been told...

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"...the most important of the week’s revelations was the report by NBC News that Bush had on his desk September 9—two days before the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon—a National Security Presidential Directive outlining in detail a worldwide campaign of military, diplomatic and intelligence action targeting Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda organization, including the delivery of an ultimatum to the Taliban regime in Afghanistan, backed by the threat of war. The draft order, according to NBC, “outlined essentially the same war plan that the White House, the CIA and the Pentagon put into action after the September 11 attacks.” It was prepared through a process of consultation over many months, involving the Pentagon, CIA, State Department and other security and intelligence agencies. In other words, well before the terrorist hijackings, the Bush administration was preparing to launch the military action that it later claimed was taken only in response to the September 11 atrocity. http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/may2002/bush-m18.shtml"

[Edited on February 27, 2004 at 8:06 PM. Reason : ..]

2/27/2004 8:04:21 PM

I don't suppose that could have anything to do with the fact that we've been after Osama et al for years and that Bush seems much more willing to use the military to accomplish that objective could it? Or the fact that it's been known for years before the attacks that the women in that country were living in what were essentially slavery conditions? No of course not. Everything is a kon5pi|24cy by t3h 3vi1 j005

2/27/2004 9:24:52 PM

2/28/2004 10:18:45 PM

HEY LOOK AT ME... I IGNORE ALL RATIONAL RESPONSES AND REFUSE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON THE GROUNDS THAT IT PROVES I AM A FUCKING ASS HAT!!!1uno1

2/29/2004 3:58:04 PM

72-hour symposium by U.S. military and civilian pilots concludes that the official story told by the U.S. government about 9/11 is improbable.

The meeting was confirmed by retired Army colonel Donn de Grand-Pre:

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"Back in May 2003, a journalist in Portugal reported on a sensational, marathon meeting of a group of U.S. pilots that issued a report concluding that the story told by the U.S. government about what happened on Sept. 11, 2001 was improbable and unlikely. Except for several notices on the Internet, that story was basically never reported in the U.S., and largely debunked when the reporter flubbed the name of the organizer, creating disbelief in the minds of many readers. The record was corrected in stunning fashion Feb. 25 on Alex Jones' Prison Planet radio program when former Pentagon arms salesman Donn de Grand-Pre, author of three books that allege 9/11 was an inside job, set the record straight, because he was the man who organized that conference. That 72-hour non-stop symposium by a group of military and civilian pilots concluded the flight crews of the four passenger airliners involved in the 9/11 tragedy had no control over their aircraft. de Grand Pre, a retired Army colonel, is the author of "A Window on America," "Confessions of an Arms Peddler" and his latest, "Barbarians Inside the Gates." His thesis in the third book "is that the wars we have engaged in for whatever reasons since the end of World War II have not only been unconstitutionally waged, but have caused a net loss in political power. Each war was waged to divert our attention away from the true enemy within, and toward a contrived enemy outside our borders." http://www.prisonplanet.com/022904nohijackers.html "

[Edited on March 1, 2004 at 10:21 PM. Reason : ..]

3/1/2004 10:18:04 PM

I keep seeing this thread. Has there been any conclusions. Any solid evidence......to lazy to read through 18 pages

3/1/2004 11:16:54 PM

^
It is clear to anyone who really looks at the evidence that the official government story is a lie. The military fighter jet interceptors were stood down and the government had prior knowledge of the attacks.

If you want just one example of something that is clear...here's something. The official government story stated in the FEMA report is that fire caused the collapse of WTC 7. That is proven to be a lie. Larry Silverstein, the leaseholder of the WTC complex, admitted in a PBS documentary that he and the NYC Fire Dept. decided to bring down WTC 7 in a controlled demoltion.

Watch the 1 minute video clip of Silverstein's comment here:

------->http://infowars.com/Video/911/wtc7_pbs.WMV<----------

note: "pull it" is the industry term for a controlled demolition

[Edited on March 1, 2004 at 11:50 PM. Reason : ..]

3/1/2004 11:34:02 PM

A sign posted in Calgary, Alberta:



http://www.deceptiondollar.com/news/911sign.htm

Good 9/11 sites:

http://www.septembereleventh.org/

http://www.deceptiondollar.com/News.htm

[Edited on March 1, 2004 at 11:49 PM. Reason : ..]

3/1/2004 11:48:45 PM

Quote :

"Has there been any conclusions. Any solid evidence......to lazy to read through 18 pages "

Well, everyone seemed to come to the conclusion that salisburyboy is legally retarted. And there seems to be solid evidence that he has the debate skills of a desk lamp.

That's just the general vibe I'm gettin' around here though

3/1/2004 11:59:25 PM

links to other 9/11 sites:

http://www.deceptiondollar.com/links.htm

3/2/2004 12:15:08 AM

3/2/2004 12:26:43 AM

More from the interview of retired Army colonel Donn de Grand-Pre, including the claim that the planes that hit the WTC and Pentagon had no hijackers:

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"In the interview with Jones, de Grand-Pre made several stunning assertions, among them: There were no hijackers on the 9/11 killer jets. And he said the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (Richard Myers) agrees with him. In response to a caller to Alex Jones' radio show, de Grand-Pre noted: "... the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs himself has agreed, there were no hijackers. There were no cell phone calls. Everybody aboard that aircraft, pilots and crew, were unconscious within 8 to 18 minutes after take-off. And you can take it from there. I've got it covered in books 2 and 3, what actually happened." "These planes were being piloted by remote control, probably an AWACs aircraft taking over that airplane or airplanes or drones, unmanned drones. And flying them at 5 and 8 G-force that no pilot could withstand. So, in short, and if you read books 2 and 3, you will discover how and why this came about." The 9/11 planes that took off full of passengers are now at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean. "And I'm telling you that we are knowledgeably speculating," said de Grand-Pre in response to another caller. "Those aircraft carrying crew and passengers went over the Atlantic and that was all she wrote." http://www.prisonplanet.com/022904nohijackers.html"

[Edited on March 2, 2004 at 10:31 AM. Reason : ..]

3/2/2004 10:28:47 AM

Master of Ignoring the Obvious

3/2/2004 10:37:23 AM

^^ so if know one was conscious aboard, everyone dead or unconscious already, how did so many families receive telephone calls from their loved ones on board those planes? explain that. next your gonna tell me the calls were faked and that it wasnt really the family members, they were clones using voiceboxes. gimme a damn break.

3/2/2004 1:02:59 PM

Salisburyboy From Page 3:

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"Evidence shows that (at least) 7 of the 19 "hijackers" were still alive after September 11, 2001: Quote : "Some of the men the FBI claims hijacked planes on Sept. 11 and crashed them into the World Trade Center in New York, the Pentagon, and Stony Creek Township, Pennsylvania are still alive. http://propagandamatrix.com/seven_of_the_wtc_hijackers_found_alive.html" "

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" The Chicago Sun-Times reports that alleged 'hijacker' Waleed Alshehri is still alive and living in Morocco. Quote : "In a development that illustrates the difficulty of identifying those responsible for planning and executing the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, one of the people originally named as one of the hijackers of American Airlines Flight 11 is living in Morocco where he is training to be a pilot. On Friday, officials at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach, Fla., said the FBI told school officials that the real Waleed Alshehri is alive and talked to U.S. officials in Morocco earlier last week. Alshehri, a native of Saudi Arabia, has been training "for at least the last six months," in Casablanca to become a pilot for a Moroccan carrier, an airline official told the AP on condition of anonymity. http://www.suntimes.com/terror/stories/cst-nws-terr23.html" "

Salisburyboy From Page 18:

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" More from the interview of retired Army colonel Donn de Grand-Pre, including the claim that the planes that hit the WTC and Pentagon had no hijackers: Quote : "In the interview with Jones, de Grand-Pre made several stunning assertions, among them: There were no hijackers on the 9/11 killer jets. And he said the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (Richard Myers) agrees with him. In response to a caller to Alex Jones' radio show, de Grand-Pre noted: "... the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs himself has agreed, there were no hijackers. There were no cell phone calls. Everybody aboard that aircraft, pilots and crew, were unconscious within 8 to 18 minutes after take-off. And you can take it from there. I've got it covered in books 2 and 3, what actually happened." "These planes were being piloted by remote control, probably an AWACs aircraft taking over that airplane or airplanes or drones, unmanned drones. And flying them at 5 and 8 G-force that no pilot could withstand. So, in short, and if you read books 2 and 3, you will discover how and why this came about." The 9/11 planes that took off full of passengers are now at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean. "And I'm telling you that we are knowledgeably speculating," said de Grand-Pre in response to another caller. "Those aircraft carrying crew and passengers went over the Atlantic and that was all she wrote." http://www.prisonplanet.com/022904nohijackers.html" "

Maybe they're spreading disinformation to confuse us?!

3/2/2004 3:26:49 PM

^
Notice that I put quotations around the word "hijackers" most (if not all) of the time in this thread when referring to the alleged 19 "hijackers." I had doubts (at the time I posted those quotes) that the planes that hit the WTC, for instance, were in fact hijacked.


[Edited on March 2, 2004 at 3:46 PM. Reason : ..]

3/2/2004 3:40:56 PM

What made you suspicious early on that their were no hijackers?

3/2/2004 4:01:25 PM

Even if the govm't did it, the planes were still "hijacked."

3/2/2004 4:12:28 PM

Salisburyboy, your evidence might be the bastion of truth. But, we don't believe you. Why? You give us no reason to believe you. You just make claims. You're not willing to stand your ground. You give us no reason to believe your evidence. Do you want us believe your evidence? I'm serious when I ask that question. Do you want us to take you seriously? Or are you just content with having us call you a crackpot and laugh at you?

If you want us to take you seriously, humor us for a little bit. Give us your response to some of these questions we've been asking. Even if you find the question ridiculous and unworthy of a response, respond to it anyway. Give us your opinion. Otherwise, we'll continue the vicious cycle of you making claims and us laughing at you.

3/2/2004 4:32:42 PM

salisburyboy if you are sure of the truth, but the rest of the world wants to keep the wool pulled down over their own eyes and to their own detrement, why do you want to help them when there is so little chance of success?

3/2/2004 4:36:10 PM

^^

Screw it. I'd rather just continue the viscious cycle. Its amusing.

I think by now its pretty apparent that he'll never make a credible argument for his claims. So lets just sit back and watch the fun in his four threads: this one, federal reserve one, whore of babylon one, and the new police state one. I've got high hopes for that newest one.

3/2/2004 4:56:09 PM

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"Salisburyboy, your evidence might be the bastion of truth. But, we don't believe you. Why? You give us no reason to believe you. You just make claims. You're not willing to stand your ground. "

If someone doesn't believe the evidence, I doubt it is because of me. The evidence speaks for itself. You don't have to take my word...look at the evidence for yourselves. The truth does not need a persuasive orator...the truth speaks for itself.

I DO stand my ground. I respond to serious and valid questions...but I don't waste my time responding to silly questions and silly insults.

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"Do you want us believe your evidence? I'm serious when I ask that question. "

I am interested in the truth about what happened on 9/11, and I am trying to present the evidence (ie, the truth)...so that others can know the truth.

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"Do you want us to take you seriously? Or are you just content with having us call you a crackpot and laugh at you?"

Yes, I want to be taken seriously....and I think that the vast majority of people here DO take me seriously. If people laugh at me and call me a "crackpot"....so be it. I can't do much about that.

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"If you want us to take you seriously, humor us for a little bit. Give us your response to some of these questions we've been asking. Even if you find the question ridiculous and unworthy of a response, respond to it anyway. Give us your opinion. Otherwise, we'll continue the vicious cycle of you making claims and us laughing at you."

I do respond to some of the questions asked. As I said before, not all of the questions are worth responding to. I'm referring to the evidence itself....photographs, videos, and reports from "mainstream" sources, etc. Why do you insist that I must add my own opinion of the evidence? The evidence speaks for itself. I doubt that anyone is going to be substantially more persuaded of the evidence due to my commentary on the evidence.

You can laugh at me all you want. It doesn't hurt my feelings one bit. The truth is the truth no matter how many people believe it or no matter if people laugh at it or not. My belief in the truth is not affected by any amount of ridicule by you or anyone else.

[Edited on March 2, 2004 at 10:23 PM. Reason : ..]

3/2/2004 10:11:07 PM

Quoth salisburyboy:

Quote :

"I respond to serious and valid questions"

Sayeth I:

WHAT COULD MAKE A 47 STORY EXPLOSION THAT NOBODY REMEMBERS AND THAT ONLY ONE NEWS OUTLET PICKED UP ON AND IS NOT ON ANY OTHER BIT OF FILM FROM THAT DAY, AND THAT MANAGED TO CAUSE NO DAMAGE TO THE SURROUNDING STURCTURES


But just incase you missed it, here it is again:

WHAT COULD MAKE A 47 STORY EXPLOSION THAT NOBODY REMEMBERS AND THAT ONLY ONE NEWS OUTLET PICKED UP ON AND IS NOT ON ANY OTHER BIT OF FILM FROM THAT DAY, AND THAT MANAGED TO CAUSE NO DAMAGE TO THE SURROUNDING STURCTURES

3/2/2004 10:27:04 PM

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"WHAT COULD MAKE A 47 STORY EXPLOSION THAT NOBODY REMEMBERS AND THAT ONLY ONE NEWS OUTLET PICKED UP ON AND IS NOT ON ANY OTHER BIT OF FILM FROM THAT DAY, AND THAT MANAGED TO CAUSE NO DAMAGE TO THE SURROUNDING STURCTURES --1337 b4k4 "

This question is a little unclear to me because it seems to be talking about WTC 7 (which was a 47 story building), but also seems to be talking about the explosion that took place in WTC 6.

I would disagree that "nobody" remembers the explosion in WTC 6. To the contrary, American Free Press reported that a person confirmed an explosion in WTC 6 around 9:04am on 9/11.

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"A spokesman for the Export-Import Bank of the United States, which had an office with four employees on the sixth floor of the Customs House, confirmed the time of the explosion and told AFP that the employees had survived and been relocated. http://www.americanfreepress.net/07_14_02/Unexplained_9-11_/unexplained_9-11_.html"

I think I see what you are getting at though. Why haven't we heard from others who witnessed the explosion at WTC 6? I am sure there are many others who witnessed the explosion at WTC 6, but their testimony and story has been unable to reach most of us because the mainstream media will not cover their story. I could ask the same question about the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995 or many other events in history. Why don't most people know that there were multiple bombs in the Murrah building in Oklahoma City in 1995? Most people don't know that fact. The reason is because the mainstream media has largely ignored it. But just because the media has been virtually silent about it doesn't mean that there weren't multiple bombs in the building...because there WERE. That is a fact.

As far as the explosion not being on any other film, you don't know that it isn't on any other film. It may be and probably is....it is just that you haven't seen the film. Perhaps CNN, ABC, etc. has it on film but has the film locked away somewhere.

As far as the explosion at WTC 6 damaging surrounding buildings....the explosion at WTC 6 may not have damaged surrounding buildings heavily. It may have been just powerful enough to damage only WTC 6 and not substantially damage the surrounding buildings. Just because the surrounding buildings were not heavily damaged does not mean that an explosion did not take place in WTC 6.

[Edited on March 3, 2004 at 12:13 AM. Reason : ..]

3/3/2004 12:06:51 AM

Quote :

"salisburyboy if you are sure of the truth, but the rest of the world wants to keep the wool pulled down over their own eyes and to their own detrement, why do you want to help them when there is so little chance of success? --Supplanter"

I may not achieve as much "success" as I would like to, but I will probably have at least some small portion of "success."

I do believe that a lot of people want "to keep the wool pulled down over their eyes." And I believe that most people will not come to know or accept the truth about 9/11 (and other matters) due to the power of the mainstream media and other factors.

...but that is not ALL people. SOME people will come to see the truth. It may be a small portion of the population, but that small portion will be a sizeable number of people....and if I can do a small part to at least make one person or a few (or more) aware, then it is worth it to try to alert them.

[Edited on March 3, 2004 at 12:29 AM. Reason : ..]

3/3/2004 12:25:02 AM