^^ I like how they lose to two pretty mediocre New England teams then come in to ACC play and continue to win games... They have been about how good they always have been against their traditional rivals (UMass, PC, etc) but then run train on the ACC..

[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 2:45 PM. Reason : x]

12/14/2007 2:44:35 PM

and for this page:

why no sc state game thread ncsuftw1?

12/14/2007 2:49:43 PM

at this point should we consider any State game thread to be bad mojo?

12/14/2007 3:29:13 PM

oh shit, sort of forgot

coming up

[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 6:18 PM. Reason : soon]

12/14/2007 6:18:36 PM

SCSU 70
NCSU 68

12/14/2007 6:20:01 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Smith_Center

Quote :

""The Nose Dome""

Aha, who did that? I love wikipedia. Let's mess that page up some more.

12/18/2007 3:27:55 PM

Oops!

[Edited on December 19, 2007 at 4:54 PM. Reason : x]

12/19/2007 4:54:25 PM

WOFFORD 69- Purdue 66 !!!!!!!!!!!! Just ended on ESPN U

12/19/2007 9:03:39 PM

http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/articles/?p=24048

Quote :

"Julius Mays could be categorized as a Sidney Lowe-Alike, and that is a big reason he is taking his point guard polish to N.C. State. Mays, a 6-foot-2, 185-pounder from Marion (Ind.) High School, does not resemble the Wolfpack head coach physically, but he plays a lot like the former State point guard. “I think that is true,” Marion coach Joe Luce said. “My take is that Sidney Lowe met Julius and said, ‘I see so much of him in me.’ And he saw Julius’ desire to win, something I understand Coach Lowe also had.” Lowe was the epitome of what a coach wants in a point guard: he was extremely unselfish, always putting the team first and realizing that its success hinged on his ability to distribute the ball and to get it in the right hands at the right time. Ditto Julius Mays. “Julius, in a nutshell, is a winner,” Luce said. “That is the best thing I can say about him; he finds a way to get it done. He is a point guard who can score, but he is not concerned with scoring – not unless that’s what our team needs. He is great at reading the game and what is given to him.” The perfect example came in recent back-to-back wins for the 5-0 Giants. Mays scored just 10 points, but handed out a dozen assists against Kokomo, then threw in 28 points (including 16-of-16 from the foul line) vs. Lawrence North. His season high is 30 points. He is averaging 21.2 points, five assists and 3.5 rebounds, while hitting over 45 percent of his three-point attempts and 90 percent of his free throws. A four-year starter, Mays averaged 10 points as a freshman, 18 his sophomore season and 19.7 last year when Marion finished 21-4 after a loss in the state 4-A final four. He averaged nearly six assists over that three-year period. Perhaps the most amazing number on his stat sheet, though, is found under the turnover column. He has a mere three in five games this season despite handling the ball much of the time. “Julius is not overly quick,” Luce said, “but he is as quick as he needs to be. He beats people to spots on the floor and does a good job of penetrating. Outstanding anticipation helps make him a great defender; he is always in the right spot. “He is a strong, athletic kid. He is really good in transition, getting rid of the ball at just the right time and making very good decisions. We have five solid Division I players on our team, and he defers to them. The biggest thing he wants is to win a championship. “We have a couple guys who play above the rim, and Julius feeds them for two or three dunks a game. He is always looking to pass, to set up a teammate. Still, he is a threat to score, so defenses can’t lay off him.” A 3.5 student, Mays has been selected the Grant County player of the years the past two seasons, and he is one of two leading candidates (along with North Carolina signee Tyler Zeller) for the 2008 Indiana Mr. Basketball award. Mays committed to N.C. State in October of his junior year, choosing the Wolfpack over Indiana. The fact that Lowe and assistant Monte Towe, another former State player, were outstanding college point guards played a big part in his decision. “Julius sees it as an opportunity to learn from two of the best at his position,” Luce said. “More than that, though, he was impressed by the trust and kindness of Lowe and Towe. “He really likes the family atmosphere at N.C. State, and he felt at home with the coaches and players there when he visited.” "

12/21/2007 7:04:51 PM

tommy likey

he can't get here soon enough

12/21/2007 7:08:31 PM

Quote :

"He is averaging 21.2 points, five assists and 3.5 rebounds, while hitting over 45 percent of his three-point attempts and 90 percent of his free throws."

I think that's the thing I'm most excited about. I hope Mays beats out Tyler Zeller for Mr. Basketball of Indiana. He's a four year starter and seems like a true team player. Despite probably being able to take over any game he's in, he'd rather distribute the ball and make his teammates better.

12/21/2007 9:45:36 PM

Quote :

"I hope Mays beats out Tyler Zeller for Mr. Basketball of Indiana."

Not gonna happen.

12/21/2007 9:54:15 PM

Despite Tyler Zeller having a higher star ranking, the voters don't vote based on that. They actually vote on who was the best player. 2005 is a great example. Josh McRoberts was far and away the most highly touted player in that state that year, but the Indiana Mr. Basketball award went to Luke Zeller that year. Is he Tyler's brother?

12/21/2007 10:08:14 PM

He is actually. I still think Tyler will take it.

12/21/2007 10:11:28 PM

Yeah I mean he seems to be the favorite, I'm just saying it's not a guarantee. What's the story on Zeller's game? Is he a pure post player like Hansbrough, or does he have a good inside-outside game like Cosnter and McRoberts? Do you think he'll come in and contribute from the start or do you think there's a chance that Roy would redshirt him?

[Edited on December 21, 2007 at 10:16 PM. Reason : ]

12/21/2007 10:16:00 PM

http://blogs.newsobserver.com/accnow/index.php?title=pack_makes_request_for_degand&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

Saturday, December 29, 2007
Pack makes request for Degand

N.C. State coach Sidney Lowe said today that the school had made a request to the NCAA that point guard Farnold Degand be granted a medical redshirt season.

Degand, a sophomore who started the Pack's first 10 games, suffered a torn ACL last Sunday in State's win over Cincinnati and will not return this season.

Lowe said N.C. State had not received a ruling from the NCAA.

Degand signed with Iowa State and was redshirted as a freshman. He then transferred to N.C. State and sat out the 2006-2007 season under NCAA rules.

12/30/2007 2:31:49 PM

do you think they'll really give it to him?

10 games is a bunch

12/30/2007 2:34:25 PM

Isn't the rule that the player can't play more than a third of the games in a season?

12/30/2007 2:36:30 PM

yeah i think so

maybe they'll have some sympathy for him since this will be his 3rd year of getting screwed over

12/30/2007 2:45:59 PM

Well word is that UNC will request one for Frasor as well. We'll see how it all unfolds.

12/30/2007 2:49:03 PM

There are a couple nice articles on the GSK Holiday Tournament in todays N&O, Word of God beat DeMatha 64-62 for the championship. There were a number of big time State recruits playing in the championship including John Wall (14 pts, 3 assists), CJ Leslie (19 points, 6 rebounds) and Naji Hibbert. Looks like Leslie could be Hickson V2.0 and maybe Wall is the PG we've all been dreaming of...maybe Leslie will do some recruiting for us.

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/preps/photos/story/852438.html

[Edited on December 30, 2007 at 3:19 PM. Reason : link to photo of Roy and Sidney chatting it up at the tourney]

12/30/2007 3:14:24 PM

John Wall

Schools of Interest:
School	Interest Level	Offer?	Visit Date	Signed LOI?
Kentucky	High Interest	Yes	None	 
Memphis	High Interest	Yes	None	 
Miami (Fl)	High Interest	Yes	None	 
Ohio State	High Interest	Yes	None	 
Oklahoma State	High Interest	Yes	None	 
Arizona	Med Interest	No	None	 
Baylor	Med Interest	Yes	None	 
Indiana	Med Interest	Yes	None	 
Kansas	Med Interest	Yes	None	 
North Carolina	Med Interest	No	None	 
North Carolina State	Med Interest	Yes	None	

12/30/2007 3:20:22 PM

I thought Leslie wasn't supposed to be a Hickson type player. I thought he was supposed to be more of a Battier, Dunleavy, Costner, Durant type of forward that can shoot the jumper. I can't remember if that's true or not.

12/30/2007 3:21:55 PM

I just watched Perfect Upset the story of the 1985 Villanova vs. Georgetown game for the National Championship on HBO On Demand. Great story and well done by HBO. If you are a fan of college basketball, heck just a fan of teams overcoming incredible odds, then I suggest you watch it. It's outstanding.

One thing I noticed in the story was how close we got to reaching the Final Four for the 2nd time in 3 years. We were a 3 seed in the West and took on St. John's the 1 seed of that regional in the Elite Eight. We lost 60-69. St. John's was at one point in the regular season was ranked No. 1 in the country that year. That St. John's team was lead by Chris Mullin and gained that No. 1 ranking by beating Georgetown during the regular season. The ACC had 3 teams in the Elite Eight that year, Georgia Tech who lost to Georgetown, North Carolina who lost to Villanova, and us. Villanova barely beat the Len Bias led Maryland Terrapins in the Sweet 16 46-43. So much is made about how the Big East had 3 teams in the Final Four that year, an incredible feat that I don't see happening again by any conference, but the ACC was close to pulling off the same feat. I know the ACC has put two teams in the Final Four a couple of times, most recently in 2004 with Duke and Georgia Tech, and 2001 with Duke and Maryland. Other times include 1991 Duke and North Carolina, 1990 Duke and Georgia Tech, 1981 Virginia and North Carolina. 2001 and 1981 were the only times in which two ACC teams would play each other in the Final Four, both times being in the Semifinals.

I've just got to say that the 80s was a great time for college basketball. The players usually stayed all four years and became legends. There were a lot of great nailbiters, hence the birth of March Madness. It was just an all-around great time for college basketball.

1/2/2008 11:42:43 PM

I think it's funny that the top 2 players in the state of Indiana will go to colleges in NC.

1/3/2008 12:54:47 AM

if indiana could keep the in state kids they would dominate

1/3/2008 1:44:03 AM

^Ever since that sly Everett Case started stealing away recruits, things just haven't been the same.

1/3/2008 9:03:15 AM

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/insider/columns/story?columnist=bilas_jay&id=3177968&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dbilas_jay%26id%3d3177968

some intriguing acc analysis....maybe our team should read the bit about us

1/3/2008 3:11:38 PM

Has Jay Bilas ever really said anything good about NC State basketball?

1/3/2008 4:08:01 PM

He's one of the most unbiased analysts there are

1/3/2008 4:14:46 PM

Tell our team to read this please.

NC State: 9-3
The Good: Despite ranking second-to-last in the ACC in scoring, NC State is 9-3 with wins over South Carolina, Davidson, Villanova, Cincinnati and Seton Hall. The Wolfpack have dropped games to New Orleans, Michigan State and East Carolina. NC State has talent, including a beast of an inside player in J.J. Hickson. The freshman is a bull who can score and rebound, averaging 17.8 points and 8.3 rebounds while shooting 71.1 percent from the field. Brandon Costner is one of the most talented players in the ACC, Gavin Grant is one of the underrated players in the ACC and Ben McCauley has passing and scoring ability uncommon for his size. This team has ability but has not put anything together in the first half of the season, and the tough half is coming up. Sidney Lowe has some good pieces, but does he have enough glue to keep the pieces together?

The Bad: Costner and McCauley have not played anywhere near their ability level, in large measure because they do not have a point guard to set them up. The Wolfpack has not done some of the tough things you need to do to win at the highest level. Despite good size and strength up front, NC State is last in the league in rebounding, does not have great point guard play, and does not force any turnovers. If you do not dribble it off your foot, NC State will not make you cough it up. The Pack forces a league-low 10.9 turnovers per game. The Wolfpack is one of the poorest 3-point shooting teams in the league, and NC State is last in the league in 3-point field goals made. NC State also rings up only 12 assists per game, which is next to last in the ACC. Take Hickson's 71.1 percent shooting off the stat sheet, and NC State is shooting blanks.

The Ugly: Losing Farnold Degand was not particularly attractive, especially when there are precious few handlers.

The Destination: The NIT and the recruiting trail. The NCAA Tournament is a stretch based on the way NC State has played, but it is not out of the question. The problem is the ACC schedule, which did NC State no favors.

1/3/2008 4:27:01 PM

Our team already has 5 coaches telling them how much they suck. If they aren't listening to them, I doubt they care what Jay Bilas thinks.

1/3/2008 4:29:22 PM

Jay Bilas is too good for contractions.

1/3/2008 4:30:04 PM

http://duke.scout.com/2/718102.html

Another Foot Injury Sidelines Zoubek

By TDD Staff
Posted Jan 8, 2008

Brian Zoubek has another fracture in his foot, that will sideline him for several weeks said Duke Sports
Information official on Tuesday.

Zoubek, who is the only player on the Duke roster taller than 6'8, will be out indefinitely after
suffering a fifth metatarsal fracture in his left foot.

The 7'1 sophomore suffered the same injury during summer pick up games and was out for more than
two months.

“This is a setback for Brian and for the team,” Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski said. “He worked hard to
recover from the injury over the summer and was beginning to solidify his role with the team. We
have total confidence that Brian will recover from the injury and return as soon as he is physically
able.”

On the season Zoubek has contributed 4.3 points and 3.7 rebounds per game while shooting a
team-high 59.5 percent from the field.

[Edited on January 8, 2008 at 9:41 PM. Reason : ]

1/8/2008 9:40:25 PM

^makes Duke better

1/8/2008 9:42:55 PM

hahaha HOLY SHIT


someone at ESPN has to have NOTHING to do to come up with this shit.. how the fuck do you come up with a stat like the table just shown on College Gamenight:

"LAST 2 JOHN MCCAIN NEW HAMPSHIRE VICTORIES"
- FEBRUARY 1st, 2000 AND JANUARY 8, 2008
Team - '00 rank, '08 rank
> Michigan State 6th, 6th
Tennessee 9th, 9th
Indiana 11th, 11th
Texas 13th, 13th

> Won 2000 National Championship

1/9/2008 1:11:35 AM

Can we get to 8-8 in ACC play?

Here's what the rest of the schedule looks like and what games I could see us winning if the players can adjust to not having great PG play. We generally play well at home and we did begin to show adjustment toward the latter part of the season when the players began to listen to what Lowe had to say.

Jan 19 - Miami - W (if the crowd comes out and supports the team in their first home ACC game)
Jan 23 - Georgia Tech - W (Causey has shown that if you put pressure on him he can fold)
Jan 26 - @ Florida State - W
Jan 31 - @ Duke - L
Feb 03 - Wake Forest - W
Feb 05 - Virginia Tech - W
Feb 09 - @ Maryland - L (the Twerps always play us well at home)
Feb 14 - @ Boston College - L (BC often plays well at home)
Feb 16 - Clemson - L
Feb 20 - North Carolina - L
Feb 24 - @ Virginia - W (we must put Fells on Singletary though)
Feb 27 - Florida State - W
Mar 01 - Duke - L
Mar 08 - @ Wake Forest - W

That is plausible. Duke, Clemson, and UNC are the only teams that seem like sure losses based on how well those teams have done this season. On paper we can match up with the other teams well if the players get their heads out of their asses and listen to Lowe like Gavin said recently.

1/16/2008 11:48:23 PM

i'm not saying its likely, but if this team decides to play its not out of reason that we could beat one of the 3 (CU, Duke, UNC-CH) at home

1/16/2008 11:50:25 PM

I'd say Duke or Clemson for that one. Duke b/c our front court may be able to wear them out, and Clemson if we decided to not allow them to score 27 points off of 22 turnovers.

1/16/2008 11:54:40 PM

Dave Odom will announce his retirement on Friday. Who will USC get? I think they will try to get a good coach, b/c they realize that college basketball can make a lot of money especially if they could fill that large arena of theirs every night. Plus Clemson is starting to get pretty good with Oliver Purnell, and the Cocks can't stand losing to Clemson (even though they do lose to them a lot ).

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3201864

[Edited on January 17, 2008 at 10:05 PM. Reason : ]

1/17/2008 9:58:28 PM

We are going to get destroyed in the ACC until some sort of revelation takes ahold of our team.


We have the talent to have a winning record, but not the brains. This team = UNC under doherty

1/17/2008 10:09:47 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/travel/columns/story?columnist=caple_jim&id=3201329

Quote :

"Caple: Twelve for 2008 – Calendar of Must Sees March 21 and 23: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament in Raleigh The Final Four is great and all, but for sheer excitement, last-second baskets and cuticle-devouring upsets, you can't beat the wall-to-wall, daylong drama at a sub-regional. Experience this one at the home court of North Carolina State."

1/21/2008 10:59:14 PM

Do you think we will make the NCAA Tournament? We're what 12-6 right now. I think we need to get to 20 wins, which means we need to get to 8-8 in league play. I can't recall the exact stat, but since the NCAA Tournament was expanded to 64 teams, only like 2-3 ACC teams that have gone 8-8 in conference play have been left out. Also weren't we 7-9 in Hodge's senior year, but we beat Wake in the tournament and snuck in as a 10 seed.

We then went on to beat Charlotte in the first round up in Worchester (WOOSTER!), Mass. in the first round. It didn't look good at halftime, but Herb took Atsur off that guy that hit 5 3's in the first half and replaced him with Bennerman and the guy had no points for the rest of the game. Then we all know how Hodge pwnt Ed Nelson, the guy that got 2001-2002 ACC ROY when he was at GT even though Hodge should have won it, in the 2nd round to upset the defending national champion UCONN Huskies to make our first Sweet 16 since 1989. On to the Carrier Dome for the 3rd round game in a matchup with Wisconsin. Hodge nearly went to Syracuse if I recall correctly. At halftime things were looking good. We had a healthy lead on the Badgers. Then some of our starters got into foul trouble and we collapsed. That sucked so badly. Had we won we would have faced North Carolina in the Elite Eight in what would have been a classic game in the rivalry. I remember the announcers talking about how the two fanbases hated each other and had to sit right beside each other.

1/25/2008 11:45:46 AM

no NCAA's this year unless we have another "miracle" run in the ACC tourney and win

1/25/2008 2:09:48 PM

Caulton Tudor made a good point in his ACC Now segment (also mentioned in the N&O article today) that last year Maryland made the tourney and ended up with 10 conference wins after starting 1-4 (not to mention having 2 freshman guards), so maybe we aren't in as desperate a situation as some might have you believe at this point in time.

1/25/2008 2:19:51 PM

that a way to stay positive!

1/25/2008 2:21:21 PM

if anyone is interested in going to the RBC center for the NCAA tournament this year, there are still tickets available in the upper deck:

http://ev10.evenue.net/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/SEGetEventList?groupCode=NCAA&linkID=ncsu&shopperContext=&caller=&appCode=

they're expensive, but i figure i can just sell my probable UNC/Duke game ticket and make back most of my money.

figured we might as well have some more NCSU fans there before any other locals learn of this

1/25/2008 2:22:01 PM

Quote :

"We then went on to beat Charlotte in the first round up in Worchester (WOOSTER!), Mass. in the first round. It didn't look good at halftime, but Herb took Atsur off that guy that hit 5 3's in the first half and replaced him with Bennerman and the guy had no points for the rest of the game. Then we all know how Hodge pwnt Ed Nelson, the guy that got 2001-2002 ACC ROY when he was at GT even though Hodge should have won it, in the 2nd round to upset the defending national champion UCONN Huskies to make our first Sweet 16 since 1989. On to the Carrier Dome for the 3rd round game in a matchup with Wisconsin. Hodge nearly went to Syracuse if I recall correctly. At halftime things were looking good. We had a healthy lead on the Badgers. Then some of our starters got into foul trouble and we collapsed. That sucked so badly. Had we won we would have faced North Carolina in the Elite Eight in what would have been a classic game in the rivalry. I remember the announcers talking about how the two fanbases hated each other and had to sit right beside each other."

that was rather nostalgic.

1/25/2008 2:28:54 PM

yea, it was great going to all those games for free with the band. we were right under the basket when jules made the final layup to beat UCONN. we're all in the background of the photos of that shot too, its awesome.

/back patting

1/25/2008 2:30:50 PM

Quote :

"We then went on to beat Charlotte in the first round up in Worchester (WOOSTER!), Mass. in the first round. "

wait, what round?

1/25/2008 3:01:13 PM