Ok, just so we are all in agreement on this issue here... The Playstation 3 can, in fact, play Blu-ray movies.

Moving on...

11/28/2007 5:19:58 PM

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"The fact remains. PS3 is a console before its a movie player. "

no one is arguing that fact. the only point is that, now, having bought a PS3, most people will choose to rent BluRay discs instead of DVDs.

and btw, I don't care if you guys hate on me for liking demos. A lot of them are actually really good. And you can't beat free.

[Edited on November 28, 2007 at 6:46 PM. Reason : s]

11/28/2007 6:39:09 PM

I refuse to read the banter on here, is the PS3 a good Blu Ray player in comparison to something similarly priced as a stand alone player?

11/28/2007 6:55:28 PM

But seriously guys, the plane DOES take off...

11/28/2007 7:56:15 PM

^^its the best on the market now.

Quote :

"And you can't beat free.$400 to play demos "

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"Ok, just so we are all in agreement on this issue here... The Playstation 3 can, in fact, play Blu-ray movies. Moving on..."

are you dense? thats not the argument. The point is winning this battle will not be on the shoulders of a console because there are far more non-gamers out there than there are gamers. To put it into perspective for you sony people that basically means...every PS3 owner can go out and buy/rent all the blu ray movies they want. but If the 10000000000000 non ps3 owners are out buying HD DVD players + movies...your blu ray purchasing/renting won't last long.


of course this goes both ways because the other 10000000000000 non ps3 owners can go out and buy stand alone blu ray players and tip the balance in that direction.

[Edited on November 28, 2007 at 8:25 PM. Reason : .]

11/28/2007 8:22:03 PM

so......... our point has been that ps3 owners will rent blu-ray discs.....

your point is that non-ps3 owners may either buy hd-dvd, blu-ray, or none at all....

I think I see why we've been misunderstanding you. We thought you had a point.

11/28/2007 8:38:53 PM

Just curious, are the PS3's six discrete audio RCA outputs gold plated? And for that matter, what about the 360?

Also, how's the 24 bit 96kHz sampling playback on these consoles?

Is their DTS playback solid? Any of that tyipcal harshness in the mids you get from lower grade players?

And I can't even imagine the immense amount of research that went into perfectly balancing the transports.

11/28/2007 8:47:03 PM

i have a shitty $130 surround sound system

and i play demos

I don't think the PS3 has "rca" style audio outputs... they do have an optical out, though, fwiw

[Edited on November 28, 2007 at 8:54 PM. Reason : s]

11/28/2007 8:53:49 PM

Quote :

"so......... our point has been that ps3 owners will rent blu-ray discs..... your point is that non-ps3 owners may either buy hd-dvd, blu-ray, or none at all.... I think I see why we've been misunderstanding you. We thought you had a point."

sigh...i can see why you only play demos now.

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"Just curious, are the PS3's six discrete audio RCA outputs gold plated? And for that matter, what about the 360?"

if thats what you are looking for than dont be cheap, shell out some $texas and buy yourself a stand alone blu ray player or the A20 Toshiba HD DVD player.

[Edited on November 28, 2007 at 8:59 PM. Reason : asdf]

11/28/2007 8:57:13 PM

^ Yup. That's the point. I created this thread to discuss/get input on actual players that fall in the realm of high fidelity, not discuss a bunch of freaking ultra low budget consoles.

11/28/2007 9:08:23 PM

well if you're going to get all audio/video-phile on us like an elitist bastard then buy the motherfucking bluray player. no one out there would probably disagree that their theoretical potential at least is greater than HD-DVD

and failing that, blu-ray is more expensive and when it comes down to it, that's what you *philes are all about anyway, isn't it?

[Edited on November 28, 2007 at 9:30 PM. Reason : s]

11/28/2007 9:23:32 PM

^ certainly not about price. But it makes sense that, like any hobby, quality costs money.

Thanks for the advice tho - helps confirm to me the general consensus that Blu Ray is the going to be the way to go.

11/28/2007 9:25:43 PM

btw, i got some $180 audio cables - they're super quality and have special rubber shielding on them which protects against astrological particles from the sun

i'll let 'em go to you for only $140 because i know you would actually be able to appreciate them


[Edited on November 28, 2007 at 9:28 PM. Reason : s]

11/28/2007 9:27:43 PM

^ I actually built my own. But just curious, what brand are yours?

11/28/2007 9:30:40 PM

i don't know - i got 'em free from TWC when they installed my SA 8300HD

11/28/2007 9:31:11 PM

Interesting. You may want to check your source on that tho.

For real though, I commend your ignorance, as well as the feeble attempts to cover it with sarcasm.

Anyone heard anything more on Denon's initiatives?

11/28/2007 9:32:46 PM

my source is legit - all you have to do is look at the pricetag i'm putting on them for verification

11/28/2007 9:34:00 PM

Hmmm...

http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/06/21/samsung-universal-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-still-a-possibility/

11/28/2007 9:35:19 PM

combo players are ftl

[Edited on November 28, 2007 at 9:41 PM. Reason : s]

11/28/2007 9:39:04 PM

Ah, the edit. Well played.

11/28/2007 9:42:03 PM

oh trust me, I can go there if you want me to - just figured I would spare the thread

11/28/2007 10:11:37 PM

I checked the gold content of the connections on the PS3 and have since decided to return it.

11/28/2007 10:18:16 PM

return what? the PS3?

11/29/2007 12:10:09 AM

Black Friday numbers are in.

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"The high-definition format war tilted even more heavily in favor of Blu-ray Disc despite a rash of inexpensive HD DVD players sold through Wal-Mart and other discount retailers in recent weeks. Nielsen VideoScan data for the week shows 72.6% of high-definition discs purchased by consumers were Blu-ray and just 27.4% were HD DVD. HD DVD players have been selling for as little as $98, one-fourth the lowest street price for a Blu-ray player."

http://tinyurl.com/3xm2y9

11/29/2007 9:29:22 AM

I must admit, now owning a PS3, its a great Blu-Ray player as well.

The format is technologically better, and honestly, the early adopters are really fueling this Hi-Def war.

Even with the blows of exclusive contracts and such, nothing has even tempted me to go with a HD-DVD player. Almost every title I want has been on Blu-Ray, and honestly I think Disney going with Sony will help this more in the family market too.

But then again, that's just my little informed $0.02.

11/29/2007 9:59:35 AM

hd dvd folks are starting to shoot themselves in the foot.

they're getting into a serious perceived quality problem by dropping prices EXTREMELY low...a lot of people with an hdtv and no research may assume there are problems if one format is twice as expensive as the other. TWW users aren't the typical consumer and to expect most folks to do any research would be too much.

11/29/2007 10:01:28 AM

there is no quality issues with HD DVD. It really just is one unit twice as expensive as the other.

11/29/2007 10:02:32 AM

^ it's not really a "war", per se...considering the minute and insignificant numbers attached to HDM in regards to video media overall, this is more of a skirmish

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"combo players are ftl"

why? of course they're not cost effective now, but if, at some point, they're only (theoretically) $100 more than a standalone of either, why not go for it?

11/29/2007 10:05:22 AM

BTW has anybody heard any news on how long until Blu-Ray drives for computers start going in? I know Apple is pushing Blu-Ray.

11/29/2007 10:05:35 AM

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"there is no quality issues with HD DVD. It really just is one unit twice as expensive as the other."

i didn't mean there were issues, i was just referring to perceived quality and how many folks who don't research things they buy may assume hd dvd is inferior due to its price. /marketing terms

11/29/2007 10:08:54 AM

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"BTW has anybody heard any news on how long until Blu-Ray drives for computers start going in? I know Apple is pushing Blu-Ray. "

uh? what? they've been in computers for a while now. I remember when i was buying a laptop early in the summer and some laptops had blu ray and some that had hd dvd.

and there is also blu ray drives that are compatible for Apple and PC. both internal and external.

11/29/2007 10:15:29 AM

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"BTW has anybody heard any news on how long until Blu-Ray drives for computers start going in? I know Apple is pushing Blu-Ray. "

Apple also pushed firewire.

[Edited on November 29, 2007 at 10:26 AM. Reason : I don't mean that in any derogative terms]

11/29/2007 10:26:20 AM

firewire 800 FTW!

not sure what your point about firewire is but every machine has it.

11/29/2007 10:27:35 AM

^yeah and its just as popular as usb 2.0

11/29/2007 10:39:39 AM

actually, it is. All digital Video cameras use firewire.

external harddrives use firewire and usb 2.0. If both is an option firewire is the better route to go.

a ton other uses for it.

whats your point?

11/29/2007 10:43:53 AM

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"Black Friday numbers are in."

Quote :

"VideoScan data includes point-of-sale purchase data from such national chains as Best Buy, Target and Circuit City, but not Wal-Mart, which generally represents about 40% of the DVD sales market."

Good to know that VideoScan is getting the full picture!

11/29/2007 10:52:57 AM

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"If both is an option firewire is the better route to go."

only if you (usually) want to pay a premium...firewire IS faster, and when 1394b, at 800mbps, becomes standard, it will blow usb 2.0 out of the water...we'll see what happens when usb 3.0, at 4.8gbps via an optical connection, comes to reality in 2008

i'm kinda looking forward to usb 3.0: http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9780794-7.html

and hey! usb drives that plug into each other! virtually unlimited storage!!!1



/totally off-subject post

[Edited on November 29, 2007 at 12:24 PM. Reason : pic]

11/29/2007 12:21:56 PM

Not to get too terribly far off topic, but I was just pushing the fact that firewire was created an an all inclusive peripheral interface. However, it's now primarily only the de facto standard for camcorders and some external drives. Firewire IS the better interface due to processing not shifted to the host, but you don't see every printer, mouse, graphics tablet, and consumer computer peripheral use it as was seemingly expected by Apple. USB now handles most of our peripheral connections for almost everything.

I'm just saying that Apple isn't an all-seeing wizard, that's all; I was implying that maybe "better" is the enemy of good enough.

11/29/2007 12:35:11 PM

^ if i'm not mistaken (and i may be, as i don't know the details), firewire requires extra input from the device since it's p2p-like...the extra programming/hardware/whatever is what makes it more expensive...in a LOT of devices, this is totally unnecessary (like mice)

11/29/2007 12:37:48 PM

The price of firewire hardware and software development probably made it undesirable in almost every device, and such could be why USB trumped it for almost everything (input devices, portable music players, printers, scanners, etc.). If you look at Apple, their iPod used to ship with two cables, one was FireWire, one was USB, however the power supply for wall charging used FireWire. I believe this made their support for FireWire over USB evident.

So, better isn't better than good enough? Perhaps this has relevance to this thread.

11/29/2007 12:45:45 PM

Quote :

"Not to get too terribly far off topic, but I was just pushing the fact that firewire was created an an all inclusive peripheral interface. However, it's now primarily only the de facto standard for camcorders and some external drives. Firewire IS the better interface due to processing not shifted to the host, but you don't see every printer, mouse, graphics tablet, and consumer computer peripheral use it as was seemingly expected by Apple. USB now handles most of our peripheral connections for almost everything. I'm just saying that Apple isn't an all-seeing wizard, that's all; I was implying that maybe "better" is the enemy of good enough."

well not to sound like a dick...but why would you want any of those on firewire? USB 1.1 is more than fine.

11/29/2007 12:47:47 PM

he himself, probably doesn't care. his point was that apple would have wanted all those peripherals to use firewire

(reading comprehension ftw)

[Edited on November 29, 2007 at 12:48 PM. Reason : s]

11/29/2007 12:48:34 PM

back on topic

hddvd sucks donkey ballz

ahhh much better

11/29/2007 12:53:56 PM

blu ray sucks and is over priced garbage.


NOW we're on topic.

11/29/2007 12:55:38 PM

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"he himself, probably doesn't care. his point was that apple would have wanted all those peripherals to use firewire (reading comprehension ftw)"

check that reading comprehension again, and then go play some PS3 demos and leave the posting to the big boys.

11/29/2007 12:56:47 PM

I would, but my PS3 won't allow me to post while playing demos

11/29/2007 1:00:33 PM

Eh? By the time USB 2.0/Firewire came out everyone already had dozens of USB peripherals. USB 2.0 was backwards compatible, Firewire was not. Hence the reason most things kept using USB. I thought this was obvious. It has absolutely no relevance to the HD format war, since players of both formats are backwards compatible with DVD.

11/29/2007 1:07:43 PM

once again, reading comprehension is crucial to a coherent discussion.

He was pointing out the tension between "Better" and "Good Enough"

This tension is particularly relevant to the debate between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray because we see a "good enough" standard (HD-DVD) being pitted against a better standard (Blu-Ray)

or vice versa depending on where your fanboyism lies

[Edited on November 29, 2007 at 1:22 PM. Reason : s]

11/29/2007 1:20:58 PM

on the idea that the ps3 is mostly a console, for me it's both, exactly like the ps2 was with dvd's

thus i now have 5 BR movies.

[Edited on November 29, 2007 at 2:08 PM. Reason : not including free ones]

11/29/2007 2:08:18 PM

^^^ i didn't know that...firewire came out before USB (but was limited to apple products only, IIRC) and it wasn't until the release of the USB 2.0 standard that firewire was implemented into devices other than apple products

^^ i'm not sure you can claim one is "good enough" and one is "better"...i say that because those are subjective terms that change completely with what aspect you're looking at (and, overall, which aspects you deem as carrying more weight)...in terms of capacity, blu-ray is definitely superior than hd (currently)...in terms of picture quality, there is no difference...in terms of price, i think hd has the advantage (whether media or players, though this changes almost daily depending on the deal)...if you're someone like me, who doesn't even care about "extras," then blu-ray's only advantage is size, and then only terms of data as it relates to computer usage

depending on which aspect you're looking at, "good enough" and "better" apply to both formats

11/29/2007 2:16:19 PM