(still watching on DVR) the audience needs to shut the hell up. He's on a good roll telling the prisoner story. He doesn't need applause every 15 seconds

9/4/2008 11:20:40 PM

what up redneck

9/4/2008 11:21:02 PM

so the DNC thread got 7 pages


the RNC thread got 18 and its on fire.



i wonder where all the interest is this year? and this is coming from a FAR LEFT LIBERAL political mini-forum guys

it's amazing

[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 11:21 PM. Reason : .]

9/4/2008 11:21:36 PM

USA!

9/4/2008 11:22:30 PM

I so rarely visit The Soap Box. This is a riot.

9/4/2008 11:22:32 PM

I DONT UNDERSTAND HOW SOMEONE CAN THINK DIFFERENTLY THAN ME

THEY MUST HATE NIGGERS, THATS THE ONLY SOLUTION MY WALNUT SIZED STEGASAURUS BRAIN CAN FATHOM

[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 11:24 PM. Reason : please correct me if i'm misrepesenting your position]

9/4/2008 11:23:31 PM

csharp, seriously can you fuck off?

You have been making up stupid shit this entire thread

you aren't original and most of your posts have been ignored

its pathetic

9/4/2008 11:24:30 PM

I like how twista went back to his default argument after getting bitched down last page.

drop some more awesome comparisons on us!

9/4/2008 11:24:32 PM

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"I like how twista went back to his default argument after getting bitched down last page. "

USA! USA!

you're the piece of shit that said i "hate niggers" because i'm not an obama fan

seriously man what the fuck is your problem

[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 11:25 PM. Reason : .]

9/4/2008 11:24:53 PM

haha, there ya go. at least that's new

9/4/2008 11:25:18 PM

i bet obama is taking a shit right now and think, "oh fuck what have i gotten myself into, the only ppl left supporting me are gays, and rejects"

lol

9/4/2008 11:26:07 PM

no its not new, its one of YOUR default arguments

9/4/2008 11:26:22 PM

but it's new for YOU. get it?

9/4/2008 11:26:42 PM

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"twista just got even more retarded."

impossible

9/4/2008 11:27:47 PM

When November comes, everyone write in "Wyloch."

9/4/2008 11:28:05 PM

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"I so rarely visit The Soap Box. This is a riot."

I agree, unfortunately. It seems TSB is more of an entertainment forum than one of real thoughtful discussion. People on both sides seem so close minded in their views that the only responses they provoke are equally as absurd. This is not a good forum if you're looking for serious conversations about serious issues.

9/4/2008 11:29:11 PM

serious question, but who is saying you hate niggers?

This whole playing-the-victim republicans have been doing recently is getting really tired and transparent. Freaking republicans have had unprecedented power over the past 8 years (and particularly the first 6 of those 8 years) yet they somehow continue to portray themselves as beleaguered. Ridiculous.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2008/09/have_you_hugged_a_republican_t.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

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" What has surprised me this week in St. Paul is the sense of grievance that Republicans feel, or pretend to feel, at the cruel forces that are treating them in such a beastly manner. The news media are the principal villains. Having rallied around Sarah Palin as John McCain's running mate, Republicans are outraged that anyone would ask whether a first-term Alaska governor, whose only other political experience was as a small-town mayor, is the right person for the job. Having announced that Sarah Palin’s unmarried 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, the McCain campaign is irate that anyone would write about this circumstance, much less ask further questions about it. “Why hound the Palin family over such a private matter?” the campaign protests. Uh, maybe because you put out a press release? ..."

9/4/2008 11:29:16 PM

Rather than having access to a socialized healthcare system you will get to keep a tiny fraction of extra taxes to continue scraping by and getting put massively into debt when you get leukemia

Hey TreeTwista how much do you have to exercise to prevent cancer

[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 11:30 PM. Reason : ,]

9/4/2008 11:29:34 PM

^^

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"mrlebowski All American 9103 Posts user info edit post I hate niggers, but I love rap music, the nba, and smoking weed"

^hey actionpants, how is obama going to make life fair?

9/4/2008 11:30:31 PM

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"Hey TreeTwista how much do you have to exercise to prevent cancer"

9/4/2008 11:30:47 PM

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"This whole playing-the-victim republicans have been doing recently is getting really tired and transparent. Freaking republicans have had unprecedented power over the past 8 years (and particularly the first 6 of those 8 years) yet they somehow continue to portray themselves as beleaguered. Ridiculous."

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHA

breathe...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA


so you don't have congress enough??? mrs. i'm gonna lower gas prices failed. hhhhhmmmmmmm....


wait what again????? hahahahahaha. no power for the dems my ass!!!

9/4/2008 11:31:16 PM

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"Hey TreeTwista how much do you have to exercise to prevent cancer"

Hey Wyloch, how is Obama going to make life fair?

9/4/2008 11:31:48 PM

I don't remember him ever saying he was going to make life fair. link?

9/4/2008 11:33:13 PM

He's not. Nor did I ever claim he was.

All I'm saying is I get a big laugh off of the self-congratulatory types who think that working out entitles them.

btw, when you make random statements like that, it's typically indicative that you're losing your train of thought

[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 11:35 PM. Reason : ]

9/4/2008 11:33:13 PM

who thinks that working out entitles them? you guys sure have a way with completely twisting someones words around

thats really your best answer when i ask why its fair that someone who is in good health has to pay for someone in poor health? thats the best you can do? no responsibility in this country anymore...always blame someone

9/4/2008 11:34:44 PM

Well you see with universal healthcare everyone would pay a bit more in taxes to be able to receive medical treatment early enough that serious conditions could be treated early and hopefully prevented rather than having to show up at the ER at the brink of death. Everyone would have access to this healthcare you see. And if you had private insurance you could get even more healthcare! So basically that is how Obama would at least start the process to making that aspect of life fair

9/4/2008 11:35:16 PM

dude, you're a fucking moron if you think poor health means you don't go to the gym

[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 11:35 PM. Reason : .]

9/4/2008 11:35:26 PM

now now my fellow white folk, only I am authorized to use the nigga word, so settle down my children

9/4/2008 11:35:44 PM

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"who thinks that working out entitles them"

You.

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"everyone feels the hit, even if you actually take responsibility for yourself and eat right and exercise and you're in good health"

That statement implies that a person is irresponsible if they don't meet your criteria. This is what we call judgment of lifestyle, and further implies that you believe you are more entitled than others.

[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 11:39 PM. Reason : ]

9/4/2008 11:35:54 PM

i'll put it in real simple terms so you quit mincing my words into something that suits your opinion

fuck paying 50% income tax to pay to wait in lines for healthcare and get told you have to wait til next year for your kidney transplant since the government allocation for the year has already been reached...that shit sounds all nice and dandy on the surface until you dig a little deeper

dont say i dont care about people because i dont want to fund everyone else's expenses when i choose to take some personal responsibility and pay for my own needs

9/4/2008 11:41:06 PM

^ Oh i see... you opinion of Obama is based on a completely wrong depiction of his policies.

It's easy to hate something when your delusions perfectly fit the things you hate.

9/4/2008 11:42:44 PM

no, i actually understand socialized healthcare in practicality and not in utopian theory

9/4/2008 11:43:50 PM

its not 50 percent, i know its about 20 percent in france. That seems like a lot for a problem like a cold or the flu, but when you have cancer or another life threatening disease, its a lot different.

Also, stop acting like people with social healthcare are just waiting around in lines to get helped. Thats stupid.

9/4/2008 11:44:09 PM

This convention reminded me. I really like McCain. He seems like a good natured guy, which is surprising after what he's been through.
He also doesn't take himself too seriously. That's another thing I like about him. The RNC was very low key compared to the Democrats. I think that has a lot to do with McCain.



[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 11:45 PM. Reason : ``]

9/4/2008 11:45:33 PM

^^^You're not going to be paying anywhere near 50% taxes under Obama.

And Obama's proposed system is fairly different than what Canada has.

There is already a LONG waiting list for any kind of organ transplants, and transplants are done on the basis of likelihood of surviving (IOW not much would change on the transplant front).

So you are basically wrong on all counts in your little summary of what you think Obama is proposing.

[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 11:46 PM. Reason : ]

9/4/2008 11:46:22 PM

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"i'll put it in real simple terms so you quit mincing my words into something that suits your opinion fuck paying 50% income tax to pay to wait in lines for healthcare and get told you have to wait til next year for your kidney transplant since the government allocation for the year has already been reached...that shit sounds all nice and dandy on the surface until you dig a little deeper"

I agree. Never said I didn't. I don't claim to know the solutions...yet.

I was simply intrigued by the comment you made in which you basically declared yourself more deserving of any healthcare program support system - be it private, social, or other in between.

Of course, this is a forum - if that was not your intent, I apologize for reading/interpretting it incorrectly - if that were the case, fully my bad.

9/4/2008 11:47:00 PM

if there was free healthcare, people would get sick on purpose, just to use it!

9/4/2008 11:47:12 PM

^^^tell me...what is the incentive for someone to work and take care of themselves if they know that any health problems they have will be paid for by someone else

[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 11:49 PM. Reason : .]

9/4/2008 11:47:20 PM

to not die

9/4/2008 11:48:01 PM

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"This convention reminded me. I really like McCain. He seems like a good natured guy, which is surprising after what he's been through. He also doesn't take himself too seriously. That's another thing I like about him. The RNC was very low key compared to the Democrats. I think that has a lot to do with McCain. "

Given this it's mindboggling that McCain would cup the balls of the neocons and the religious right with his flop on policies and choosing Palin, isn't it?

9/4/2008 11:48:18 PM

if I have free healthcare, all my worries will go away! why work?

I don't think you quite understand what we're saying once again



[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 11:49 PM. Reason : .]

9/4/2008 11:48:22 PM

Quote :

"you basically declared yourself more deserving of any healthcare program support system - be it private, social, or other in between."

no i'm simply saying that i'm doing what i need to do for myself...i'll take care of myself and my family...i have taken that much responsibility at least...i don't need other people to pay for my shit...and i don't want to pay for theres...i'll gladly pay for interestate highways, national defense, etc...those are things that an individual person doesnt have the ability to provide...but my own health and my family's health...those are burdens that people accept

9/4/2008 11:49:51 PM

moron, you're right. Obama's proposal would be much worse than Candada's because it provides people incentive to wait until they are sick to get health insurance (no one is forced to buy health insurance, but insurance companies cannot turn you down, so why pay when you're healthy).

This would likely lead to rising premiums, which would lead to more healthy people dumping their insurance policies, which would lead to even more health people dumping their insurance polcicies, etc.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/30/opinion/30krugman.html

Obama's policies are horrible.

[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 11:51 PM. Reason : ``]

9/4/2008 11:50:11 PM

twista, what if you fell on rough times somehow, or someone you knew fell on tough times and got some sort of illness and didn't have healthcare. do you/ they not deserve to go to the hospital, get treatment, and not come out with mounds of debt?

9/4/2008 11:51:11 PM

yea twista, you can accept the burden yourself, but what about when you can't afford it, or need someone elses help

9/4/2008 11:51:30 PM

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"no i'm simply saying that i'm doing what i need to do for myself...i'll take care of myself and my family...i have taken that much responsibility at least...i don't need other people to pay for my shit...and i don't want to pay for theres...i'll gladly pay for interestate highways, national defense, etc...those are things that an individual person doesnt have the ability to provide...but my own health and my family's health...those are burdens that people accept"

Yeah okay.

Now...just curious as to how that meshes with McCain's final message tonight (is he your candidate of choice?):

"Nothing in life brings greater happiness than serving a cause that is greater than yourself."

9/4/2008 11:52:38 PM

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"tell me...what is the incentive for someone to work and take care of themselves if they know that any health problems they have will be paid for by someone else"

Why is it that kids from wealthier families do better in school than other kids? They know they're going to inherit a lot of $$$ yet they still apply themselves anyway...? it's very likely because of the peace of mind the safety net their family provides them means they'll be more courageous in their endeavors, because they can't fail. I don't know how many poor people you associate with, but they don't like being poor, want better jobs, want better educations, and are actually hard workers, they just are too timid because if something bad happens, they are practically homeless.

Health care isn't an end in itself, it's a means to an end. No one WANTS to use health care, people hope they never need it. If you were talking about the gov. giving people nice cars or nice houses, those are ends, and those things do discourage ambition. Health care encourages people to not thinking about "what if i quit my job to go to school, but then get sick" and think more about "I can go to school and get a degree [and if I get sick I'm okay]".

Peace of mind is by far one of the best motivating mechanisms.

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"moron, you're right. Obama's proposal would be much worse than Candada's because it provides people incentive to wait until they are sick to get health insurance (no one is forced to buy health insurance, but insurance companies cannot turn you down, so why pay when you're healthy). "

First, if you assume that people are naturally selfish and greedy, then why vote Republican at all? Isn't the basis of their policies that people would help others out on their own without the gov.? Secondly, the vast majority of people likely wouldn't try to game the system this way, because they would be too lazy to try and figure out how to do it. And thirdly, it's not clear that Obama's plan would even make this type of manipulation all that easy to do. That guy is making a huge assumption with that idea (and he's completely wrong for implying that Social Security is A-OK).

[Edited on September 5, 2008 at 12:00 AM. Reason : ]

9/4/2008 11:53:25 PM

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"what about when you can't afford it, or need someone elses help"

i'm not gonna rely on the government for that

the idea is, work, save, make preparations in case you do fall on hard times

now obviously there are people born with cancer...things that no amount of diet or exercise or anything will help...if you thought i was downplaying those people before, i apologize

but nobody seems to be calling for free healthcare for people with serious life threatening diseases...people seem to be calling for free healthcare for EVERYONE, including the people who dont have cancer, the people who can take care of themselves, etc

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"Nothing in life brings greater happiness than serving a cause that is greater than yourself."

yeah, uh, i think the greater cause i'll choose to pursue are my family and my friends

[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 11:54 PM. Reason : .]

9/4/2008 11:53:46 PM

mrlebowski is the perfect example of most Obama supporters.

They assume Obama's plans actually will help people afford health insurance and that they are consistent with the concept that health care is a "right". I mean that's kinda sorta what he says in those lofty speeches right?

They don't really care enough to drill down and see that Obama's proposals are only about ACCESS to INSURANCE, not health care per se. And even then, Obama's proposals will only make insurance MORE EXPENSIVE (see previous post for details).

[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 11:54 PM. Reason : ``]

9/4/2008 11:54:31 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/04/opinion/polls/main4416798.shtml

Hahaha.....


This year should be a LANDSLIDE for the Dems.......this is great shit.

9/4/2008 11:56:16 PM