If Joe Pa ousts his D cordinator when he should have who says he wins all those games? Who says those recruits come to the university? Who says the athletic program continues to do as well? That school has made assloads off the football program and Joe Pa's decision to save his friend AND HIS DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR. It's all sports related when he continued to coach and be a mentor to those athletes.

[Edited on July 22, 2012 at 9:35 AM. Reason : fack]

7/22/2012 9:34:37 AM

I really hope the NCAA stays out of this except maybe banning some of the coaches involved. It would really suck for the fans, players, etc., who had nothing to do with this, if the NCAA punishes the school.

7/22/2012 11:48:36 AM

Who gives a shit about the fans?

The players will be able to transfer with no loss of eligibility.

I think people still do not realize how big of a deal an institution covering up a serial rapist actually is. Which is unbelievable.


oh is this not here yet? "Unprecedented" Penalties to be levied on Penn St.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/22/report-unprecedented-penalties-for-penn-state-coming-monday/

also stop feeding aaronburro guys

7/22/2012 12:32:54 PM

I agree its awful to penalize the fans for stuff like this while the coaches and administrators get off Scot free.

7/22/2012 1:14:29 PM

Joe Schad reporting it's likely not a "death penalty", but it's believed that the actual punishment could be more damaging long-term. Likely severely harsh post-season bans and scholarship reductions. I think a 5-year post-season ban would be brutal.

Some of the pandering and speculation I've read have been quite amusing. I've read everything from "death penalty", to removal from the NCAA, to all scholarships removed, to donating all proceeds from football to child abuse charities. Should be interesting to see what they end up doing tomorrow.

7/22/2012 1:16:43 PM

Quote :

"I agree its awful to penalize the fans for stuff like this while the coaches and administrators get off Scot free."

Jailtime and loss of job != no punishment.

[Edited on July 22, 2012 at 1:21 PM. Reason : .]

7/22/2012 1:18:28 PM

the fans are/have been a part of the problem. their blind worship of joe paterno and the football program helped build a culture where it was "ok" for him and the university to harbor a child rapist.

i have no sympathy for the fans, none at all. i would hope that at nc state, we would have called for that statue to be taken down immediately, and for our coach to be fired as soon as there was suspicion that he supported a child rapist. the only people i feel bad for in this situation are the players that have just come to the school.

7/22/2012 1:18:29 PM

I agree, PSU fans are a part of the problem

7/22/2012 1:27:33 PM

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" i would hope that at nc state, we would have called for that statue to be taken down immediately, and for our coach to be fired as soon as there was suspicion that he supported a child rapist."

lol

7/22/2012 1:31:21 PM

NOOOO DON'T TAKE DOWN THE WOLF STATUE!!!!11

7/22/2012 1:56:44 PM

Quote :

"the fans are/have been a part of the problem. their blind worship of joe paterno and the football program helped build a culture where it was "ok" for him and the university to harbor a child rapist. "

and many other universities in the U.S. have the same culture to create a Sandusky because of their blind worship of the football program than just Penn State

I visited a friend in Tuscaloosa a couple years ago, first time I'd ever been, and not long after Alabama won the national title. We went to a movie and they were advertising on the wall they were going to show a movie there with Saban taking up the full poster, and the name of the movie was "Game Changer".

Would it really surprise anyone that a crime could be going on that's being hidden at the University of Alabama because Nick Saban is more powerful than the university president? Not saying there is, but they have the exact same culture as Penn State that allowed a person like Sandusky to run free for years. This could've happened at a lot of campuses in this country.

Heck, Carolina has their head so far up their ass on academics and "The Carolina Way" which is no different than Penn State's "Grand Experiment" and we find out that a university dean, not some random teacher but a university dean, was arranging no-show classes for athletes for a long period of time. Now that's not a real crime outside of academic fraud but that's not something the police are going to investigate, but Carolina are a snob school that say they're better than the universities that place football first and foremost like Auburn during the Cam Newton season, so imagine what is going on at SEC schools right now that have the same system of treating the football coach like he's a god on earth and think the coach and the football program are more important than even the rule of law?

7/22/2012 1:57:16 PM

"To everyone upset about Joe Paterno's statue being taken down: Just look the other way and pretend it's not happening."

7/22/2012 2:09:48 PM

Quote :

"we find out that a university dean, not some random teacher but a university dean, was arranging no-show classes for athletes for a long period of time."

wait really? i missed that entirely.

[Edited on July 22, 2012 at 2:25 PM. Reason : i hope the ncaa isn't too distracted w/ penn state to handle business elsewhere...]

7/22/2012 2:22:59 PM

^^^ isn't that more justification to send a strong message to all schools to support their team, but know where the line is?

7/22/2012 3:54:15 PM

Quote :

" we find out that a university dean, not some random teacher but a university dean, was arranging no-show classes for athletes for a long period of time. "

N'ya'ng'oro' was never a dean.

7/22/2012 5:20:04 PM

If you're mad about "football culture" being out of control, you're going to have to evaluate the entire SEC and half the Big 10 and Big 12.

You're going to have to stop the massive TV contracts, the huge crowds that go to games, tailgating and basically the enormous popularity the sport enjoys.

7/22/2012 5:57:19 PM

Or just don't put dickheads in charge.

7/22/2012 6:10:49 PM

^^ exactly. the NCAA is the biggest bunch of hypocrites right now, if they try and come out and say that football shouldn't be so important. they've enabled and created this culture, and to now come down on a university for doing exactly what the NCAA wanted, making lots of money... fuck them.



also, the statue of JoePa should have stayed up. They should have welded a sign to it that says "child rape enabler" and then put a plaque on it that says something to the effect of "it takes years to build a reputation and minutes to destroy it." JoePa's statue should stay up specifically to remind people what the fucking right thing to do is

7/22/2012 8:00:37 PM

^ neither of those points makes much sense.

7/22/2012 8:03:03 PM

actually, they make a lot of sense. Put a sign on JoePa's revered statue that says what he really was, a child rape enabler. Remind people that you can do a lot of good, and still fuck it all up with one dumb mistake.

the other is to say that big time football is exactly what the NCAA wants, and such cultures of power are exactly what you get when there is such money on the line. oh but no, now that bad shit "has happened", oh, the NCAA wants to say "hey, don't get too big, even though we've always been encouraging you to get big. don't do that." fuck them

7/22/2012 8:05:15 PM

for those of you who don't regularly peruse reddit

7/22/2012 8:21:01 PM

Quote :

"hey've enabled and created this culture, and to now come down on a university for doing exactly what the NCAA wanted, making lots of money... fuck them."

Following this line of logic, the NCAA shouldn't punish any school for any violation. Every violation is just another effort to make more money.

7/22/2012 8:53:25 PM

maybe. maybe they should just give up and make it a damned semi-pro league and forget this charade of amateurism

7/22/2012 9:09:44 PM

I dont buy this at all

http://t.co/VKEV9haZ

7/22/2012 9:51:53 PM

If that was true, that totally gut the program.

7/22/2012 10:00:24 PM

The 1 year football ban would be the 'death penalty' which rumors say isn't going to happen.

7/22/2012 10:05:47 PM

there's also no way they get a TV ban, because that unfairly penalizes other schools. i know "fair" isn't really a key component here, but when there's billions in TV money flying around, the ncaa wouldn't dare interfere with that

7/22/2012 10:08:12 PM

Moving to IAA would be the biggest bitch slap in history.

7/22/2012 10:09:56 PM

I didn't know this

Quote :

"Clemson won the 1981 national title. But when the program was found to be buying players all manner of durable goods, distributing cash and lining up no-show jobs, the NCAA came down hard with a 2-year TV ban"

http://blog.pennlive.com/davidjones/2012/07/if_ncaa_decides_on_severe_sanc.html

7/22/2012 10:15:31 PM

there's no way that's real w/ the line 7 in there.

7/22/2012 10:22:35 PM

TV money in 1983 was peanuts compared to now.

7/22/2012 10:26:13 PM

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"That invisibility of OU football in 1989-90 knocked the program sideways for a decade. Switzer's firing was only the beginning of a long and miserable stretch for Oklahoma. Its recruiting was crippled. Though that was fixed by John Blake, the third coach after Switzer, he couldn't win. Not until Bob Stoops' arrival in 1999 did the hemorrhaging really stop"

lololol

7/22/2012 10:40:38 PM

35 minutes til the NCAA drops the banhammer

7/23/2012 8:26:43 AM

listening on 99.9. is there a video stream anywhere?

7/23/2012 9:03:25 AM

its on ESPN at the moment, dunno about online though, maybe ESPN3?

- $60 million fine --> money goes to charities around the country
- 4-year postseason ban
- 10 scholarships lost per year for 4 years
- any football student athletes can transfer without sitting out a year (doesnt mention other sports' athletes)
- wins vacated from 1998 to 2011 (!)
- 5 year probation
- NCAA reserves right for formal investigation on individuals after criminal proceedings

[Edited on July 23, 2012 at 9:11 AM. Reason : damn]

7/23/2012 9:07:59 AM

its on espn3

7/23/2012 9:08:10 AM

Listening to Dr. Emmitt Smith, these guys are so fucked.

[Edited on July 23, 2012 at 9:11 AM. Reason : And they are, goddamn]

7/23/2012 9:10:32 AM

1. $60M fine which goes to child abuse prevention.
2. 4 year bowl ban
3. 10 scholarships lost for each of the next 10 years
4. Vacated all wins from 1998 to 2011!

7/23/2012 9:11:59 AM

holy fuck, vacating all wins from 1998-2012

$60 mil fine

4 year bowl ban

4 year scholly reduction from 25 to 15

7/23/2012 9:13:09 AM

wonder if the Big Ten will kick them out of the conference

7/23/2012 9:13:43 AM

damn

7/23/2012 9:14:16 AM

womp womp

7/23/2012 9:15:01 AM

Hootie hoo, follow the funk from the skunk, and the dank that is crunk in the dungeon

[Edited on July 23, 2012 at 9:22 AM. Reason : ]

7/23/2012 9:16:15 AM

damn. that's rough

7/23/2012 9:19:09 AM

I cant believe they are vacating 14 years of wins

7/23/2012 9:28:29 AM

holy shitballs...

7/23/2012 9:29:02 AM

LOL Ernie...you know that's what he's sayin' right now

7/23/2012 9:29:24 AM

Quote :

"2.4. The Principle of Sportsmanship and Ethical Conduct "For intercollegiate athletics to promote the character development of participants, to enhance the integrity of higher education and to promote civility in society, student-athletes, coaches, and all others associated with these athletics programs and events should adhere to such fundamental values as respect, fairness, civility, honesty and responsibility. These values should be manifest not only in athletics participation, but also in the broad spectrum of activities affecting the athletics program. It is the responsibility of each institution to: (Revised: 1/9/96) "

They actually stated part of this bylaw. Point for me.

7/23/2012 9:30:05 AM

Wow.

7/23/2012 9:30:46 AM

killing a program over non-athletic violations for "making sports king," exactly what the NCAA wanted schools to do. brilliant. thanks for sticking your nose where it doesn't belong, folks.

7/23/2012 9:32:07 AM