I want The E Man to tell me how the 93%-7% male/female arrest rate disparity for pot isn't a clear case of anti-male sexism from our evil misandrists police force and society, if he is considering the disparity by race to be obvious racism.

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" Let’s consider marijuana arrest rates by sex Men and women use marijuana at close to a 50-50 rate, yet the distribution of arrests is 93% male to 7% female. Any idea what other male/female distribution this rate parallels? The rate of crime by gender. Shocking thought, I know. Tendency to commit a crime leads to tendency of evil, racist, oppressive police to arrest you. Using The E Man logic, we should just assume police are biased anti-male misandrists, right?"

11/12/2015 11:57:09 PM

Yes they assume men to be more of a threat. My argument hasn't been about demonizing the police. Its been about acknowledging they are humans, reeling in their power, and punishing them the same way as most of the population. The solutions even have to be about race. Brutality often comes from black law enforcement. Look at Freddie Gray.

Tell me more about how hard it is for men in this country.

11/13/2015 9:46:58 AM

the arrest disparity by gender is an example of discrimination

11/13/2015 9:49:40 AM

As a male I feel oppressed by that statistic. How shall we overcome?

11/13/2015 9:59:33 AM

^^It is, but the gender pot arrest rate disparity parallels the rate of crime by gender.

In the same way the pot arrest rate disparity between white and black parallels the rate of crime by race.

It is really a simple concept, doing more crime leads to more drug arrests.

The false narrative of oppression only wants the masses to see "Black = Arrest".

[Edited on November 13, 2015 at 10:01 AM. Reason : .]

11/13/2015 10:01:18 AM

This error in your logic is how I've decided that you are not trolling, you're just dumb

11/13/2015 10:08:44 AM

This error in your logic is how I've decided that you are not trolling, you're just dumb

11/13/2015 10:11:37 AM

Quote :

"This error in your logic is how I've decided that you are not trolling, you're just dumb"

"I have lost this argument and I cannot refute your points, but fortunately I have a trump card: "No, you're dumb".

You can also fall back on the liberal "Oh yea, well you're just racist".

11/13/2015 10:12:49 AM

We need to discuss the blatant oppression dtownral is displaying in this thread. I am downright offended

11/13/2015 10:17:44 AM

you just triggered me

11/13/2015 12:53:29 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/17/us/minneapolis-jamar-clark-police-shooting/index.html

I bet these cops were just racist and wanted to shoot an innocent African-America attempting to comfort a woman being helped by paramedics

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"Black Lives Matter protesters shut down a Minneapolis interstate Monday evening, a day after the police shooting of Jamar Clark, who later died, his family told CNN affiliate WCCO... ... Officers were responding to a call of a woman being assaulted by a man.... police were told the suspect was interfering with paramedics. When police arrived, a struggle ensued and Clark was shot by an officer"

It starts again...

#WomanBeatersLivesMatter #WBLM

You would think they the protesters would wait to get a few more facts on the shooting before going up in arms. So guy abuses woman, interferes with paramedics treating woman, and gets shot after tussling with the police.

#ALM #FLM

11/17/2015 12:35:29 PM

^ not sure what you're whining about here, the protests had the intended outcome:

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"Investigators want to first talk to the two officers involved, said Mona Dohman, commissioner of the Minnesota Department of Public Safety. And neither officer was wearing a body camera. ... Earlier Monday, Minneapolis Mayor Betsy Hodges asked the Justice Department and the U.S. Attorney's Office to open a civil rights investigation into the shooting."

2 years ago, this would have never happened, the leadership would have just rebuffed and ignored the complaints of citizens asking for accountability of police. The fact that this accountability is now given almost immediately is a huge change. We are a better, more transparent, more fair society for everyone now, because of #blacklivesmatter.

11/17/2015 12:50:04 PM

more fair society for everyone now, because of #blacklivesmatter. videos of police brutality spread through social media.

11/17/2015 1:01:07 PM

You are being deliberately obtuse now. Really, just trolling.

11/17/2015 1:06:11 PM

^^^ For fuck sake it hadn't even been 48 hours since the incident. Who is to know if the police would not have reviewed this anyway.

So is the standard BLM response to every police on African-American fatal shooting going to be to immediately shut down the highway and start widespread protests before anyone has a chance to assess the situation.

This guy from all indications involved in a violent confrontation so this isn't even a situation of police shooting someone after a traffic stop for a taillight being out or something.

Luckily more worldly matters are taking the media spotlight instead of giving this crowd in Minneapolis unneeded attention (at least unless it turns out the cops really did shoot the guy for being black and/or after he was already detained).

http://www.infowars.com/black-lives-matter-supporter-releases-fk-paris-rap-song/

11/17/2015 1:19:23 PM

Well, from what I read on the Minneapolis shooting, several witnesses say the victim was shot while he was handcuffed. THAT is the defining issue here, and what has everyone so upset.

11/17/2015 1:22:44 PM

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"Clark has past convictions that include an aggravated robbery in 2010 and one for terroristic threats from earlier this year."

Sounds like a winner...

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"Every witness account I heard said he was handcuffed. Every witness account. Put a knee on him and shot in the head. "

If this were true then it is definitely something to be addressed and the cops accused of murder. Either way it seemed a little premature to start shutting down highways. I also don't know how legitimate this claim is, why would a cop assassinate someone already in custody. Seems a little far-fetched. All the claims about the shooting happening after the arrest has been hearsay from everything i've read.

11/17/2015 1:31:24 PM

Hey, no one said the victim was a saint....or even a good person. Still, even shitbags deserve their day in court. And certainly don't deserve to be shot with their hands cuffed behind their back, if that's what happened.

People were protesting to bring attention to the issue, so it doesn't get swept under the rug....as has been known to happen.

[Edited on November 17, 2015 at 1:47 PM. Reason : Hh]

11/17/2015 1:46:52 PM

not getting murdered by police isn't a right that should be reserved for only nice people

11/17/2015 1:56:15 PM

^^ Like I said before it hadn't even been 48 hours. Who knows if the police would or would not have continued with investigation as they are doing now. Regardless

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"certainly don't deserve to be shot with their hands cuffed behind their back"

at this point is all hearsay.

My only criticism is that the Minneapolis #BLM crowd seemed a little too eager. Shutting down the freeways, ranting, and hollering seems premature at this point. What happens when police video comes out or direct witnesses emerge implicating that the suspect was indeed getting physical with law enforcement. While arguably and idealistically the situation STILL should have been resolved without the need to use deadly force; the BLM crowd will lose a lot of credibility and further numb citizens from their cause who otherwise support reduction of police force as well as other goals of BLM.

11/17/2015 2:12:14 PM

From the sounds of it, there was a crowd around the arrest so I'm surprised a video hasn't been released. Sounds like it was an execution and a cop will be in jail soon.

11/17/2015 2:14:21 PM

^^

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"People were protesting to bring attention to the issue, so it doesn't get swept under the rug....as has been known to happen."

What dont you get about these people, through past experiences, having little to no faith in the police or justice system to do the right thing? The best chance of this not getting swept under the rug is to make people pay attention. They protest. They stop traffic. They get the media involved..... All so that this doesn't get brushed away quietly, where no charges are ever filed.

11/17/2015 2:24:48 PM

Is it hypocritical for BLM movement to only protest when cops shoot/kill civilians? Why are there no protests when young black men, women and children are murdered at a much higher rate? By all means make public employees accountable, but to completely ignore other murders just makes the movement look hollow to me. I'd like to see the next murder in Chicago or Baltimore protested regardless of who committed the murder.

11/17/2015 6:31:46 PM

http://wncn.com/2015/11/15/1-killed-in-harnett-co-officer-involved-shooting/

Hey man, sometimes you just have to kick down a door without a warrant and shoot somebody. Constitution be damned. Also, fuck the guy's castle doctrine rights to defend himself inside his own home from police acting unlawfully.

11/17/2015 6:36:35 PM

Likewise, anyone who promotes saving the dolphins doesn't care about any other type of life on this planet.



[Edited on November 17, 2015 at 6:46 PM. Reason : Activists have been campaigning in Chicago for years to stop the violence]

11/17/2015 6:40:00 PM

Oh, and congrats police, over 1000 protected and served to death so far this year.

https://reason.com/blog/2015/11/17/us-police-have-killed-1000-people-and-co

11/17/2015 6:44:07 PM

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"Is it hypocritical for BLM movement to only protest when cops shoot/kill civilians? Why are there no protests when young black men, women and children are murdered at a much higher rate? By all means make public employees accountable, but to completely ignore other murders just makes the movement look hollow to me. I'd like to see the next murder in Chicago or Baltimore protested regardless of who committed the murder."

Yes, but there will be an attempt at justice for those murders. There will be an investigation, somebody may well go for jail, etc. Even if it's a less than vigorous investigation (murder closures are waaaaay lower now than in the past for many reasons). If a cop kills someone there's very frequently nothing more than an internal review. Plus, we don't imbue average citizens with the right to use deadly force or give them immunity from personal civil prosecution. It's a completely different issue.

11/17/2015 6:46:29 PM

I see that they are different issues, but the value of a life is the same regardless of who ended it or why. I can see that rallies and protesting can make a difference in public policy more so than with gangs or criminals but I would still like to see this movement give attention to the innocent lives lost due to gang violence. Sure criminals can be jailed and brought to justice much more easily than police, but isn't the point saving lives? I guess you have to start somewhere with making sure there is accountability but if every cop in America is perfect tomorrow, black kids will still be murdered.

[Edited on November 17, 2015 at 7:03 PM. Reason : laskj]

11/17/2015 7:03:14 PM

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"Is it hypocritical for BLM movement to only protest when cops shoot/kill BLACK civilians?"

Fixed it for you. Hence no protests or outrage from BLM when the cops in SC killed that Dillan kid for alledgly trying to "run him over"
as the cop intentionally tried to step in front of a moving vehicle.

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"Hey man, sometimes you just have to kick down a door without a warrant and shoot somebody. Constitution be damned. Also, fuck the guy's castle doctrine rights to defend himself inside his own home from police acting unlawfully. "

Yeah I have always been opposed to knockless entries for this reason. Granted there are some situations for a known dangerous/hostile suspect where police may not have a choice. Otherwise it seems too often cops default to the knockless entries. For many of these situations I feel like the suspect should be protected (if they survive) from assault or attempted murder charges on a law enforcement officer if could be reasoned that the person was acting in self-defense against an unknown home invader.

[Edited on November 17, 2015 at 7:30 PM. Reason : a]

11/17/2015 7:29:42 PM

This one's worse than that. The cop showed up looking for someone who doesn't live there, asked if he could come in and search, was told no. When the guy closed the door the cop then kicked it in.

No knock warrants and the use of swat teams to serve a huge percentage of warrants is a huge but separate problem. It would be so much smarter to arrest people going to or from work or perform searches when known dangerous subjects aren't home, but then they wouldn't get to use all their cool toys.

11/17/2015 7:36:44 PM

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"Hey, no one said the victim was a saint....or even a good person. Still, even shitbags deserve their day in court. And certainly don't deserve to be shot with their hands cuffed behind their back, if that's what happened."

not if that person was interfering with paramedics for saving another person, and killing it were the only option.

11/17/2015 7:43:58 PM

Interfering with paramedics while handcuffed on your stomach? Was he shooting laser beams from his eyes, or....?

11/17/2015 7:52:10 PM

if he was handcuffed that's a different story obviously, but everything i've heard is that this is just a myth.

11/17/2015 7:53:24 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/22/us/new-orleans-shooting-many-wounded/

This is a shooting that should be protested by blm

http://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/7/71/1125196/sneed-exclusive-officer-shot-laquan-mcdonald-charged-tuesday

Seems like they decided to charge this cop just before the video was ordered to be released

11/23/2015 10:56:29 PM

It wasn't a cop that shot someone this time, however the protests in Minneapolis that were discussed earlier ITT had a development.

About 5 protestors were shot in front of the police station. Witnesses describe the shooters as white anti-protestors whk were wearing bulletproof vests.

11/24/2015 7:56:41 AM

mighty quiet thread after what happened in Chicago today

wonder why?

11/24/2015 8:18:29 PM

Why would anyone argue? The video is pretty telling.

11/24/2015 8:49:01 PM

yeah, shouldn't have taken more than a year to press charges

11/24/2015 9:47:36 PM

it's the exact reason why the Black Lives Matter movement matters

it'd be pretty rad to see the loudest opponents of it at least acknowledge that fact

11/24/2015 10:04:29 PM

Sounds like they were just letting the cop hang out until the last minute, and they knew when that last minute was.

"Well Van Dyke, we don't wanna have to do this, but you know the rules. That video goes public here in a bit, and if we don't charge you with something, Chicago is gonna turn into a shit show."

11/24/2015 10:51:32 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/24/chicago-police-officer-to-face-murder-charge-in-shooting-black-teenager/?intcmp=hpbt1

god these fox news anal-ists are so biased. why do they ALWAYS take the side of the white cop?

11/24/2015 10:54:45 PM

^^ and you just described a major part of why there is a huge issue with police brutality.

no mention of the murder and/or justice. just worrying about the reaction to the murder that wouldn't have been known about without video.

see the problem with that line of thinking?

11/24/2015 11:04:42 PM

^^that was pretty level headed of megyn.

11/25/2015 12:03:22 AM

^ she pretty much despises trump, and fox has been trying to put the trump genie they let out back in the bottle for a while.

Positioning themselves opposite issues him on issues is a good way to do that.

11/25/2015 12:34:04 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/24/us/laquan-mcdonald-chicago-shooting-video/index.html

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"Chicago protesters march as police release video of officer shooting teen"

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"a group of protesters began marching, chanting "16 shots" and "We got to fight back!" McDonald died after being shot 16 times."

So after releasing the video they announced murder chargers for the officer. Good hopefully the cop sees the slammer.

Either way the #BLM crowd is still marching and raising hell. What do they want a Lynch the guy? No wonder shit like like the shooting in Minneapolis occurred..

I called pages ago that the #BLM movement was going to trigger a backlash. While they have legitimate concerns or reasons for being upset in some situations ( not the Mizzou situation for example) their actions many times are not conducive to raising widespread sympathy and support ( is Bernie Sanders speech in Seattle and denouncing the use of All Lives Matters). In the original Minneapolis situation it hadn't even been 48 hours, enough time for the DA to review the situation before #BLM was shutting down highways and revolting.

#AllLivesMatter


I'm starting to think that #BLM is taking from the ISIS playbook and attempting to trigger a race war ( war of religion in the ISIS case)

[Edited on November 25, 2015 at 12:36 AM. Reason : J]

11/25/2015 12:34:23 AM

^

They've made enormous progress in getting bad cops held accountable through overwhelmingly peaceful protests, and you're seriously here suggesting more protesters need to be shot at?

You realize your statist, angrily pro status quo viewpoint is as sad now, as it was when people were fighting for women's suffrage and civil rights.

11/25/2015 12:43:23 AM

Incredible Strawman Moron!!!!!!

Somehow asserting my prediction of a #BLM backlash or counter movement equates to condoning the shooting of protestors!!!!!

Either way the magnitude of the Minneapolis protest (shutting down freeways) was premature.

11/25/2015 12:50:44 AM

It's meant to send a message to future DAs and mayors and police leaders that if they don't hold their employees accountable they're going to have to deal with some mildly inconvenienced motorist.

11/25/2015 12:58:25 AM

I think you missed the part of winning the public sympathy, at least the 80% of the non African-America or uber Liberal, of the folks that votes these officials into office

11/25/2015 2:11:27 AM

--->

11/25/2015 2:14:16 AM